Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone's uncomfortable with a child being in the locker area - they aren't able to go into a bathroom stall to change? WOW.

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When there are 20 ladies from an aqua aerobics class who are changing into suits or out of suits, or a bunch of young ladies from the swim team, there aren't enough stalls for all of them. Your kid belongs in the boys' lockerroom with the boys, not in the ladies locker room.

I'm guessing that not all the women will need to change in private though. Most hopefully understand that a five year old boy isn't checking them out.

[Anonymous]

The likelihood that someone is going to do something horrible to your snowflake while you are waiting outside the lockerroom is slim to none. You are scaring yourself to death over nothing and turning your children into dependent little freaks.

In that case do you send your five year old into a public rest room alone? I assume you must do.

I'm actually not to concerned about him being alone in a rest room except that I know that an adult would likely give me a dressing down for letting him go in alone. But I am concerned about locker rooms. It is well known that they are targets for abusers. Sure the risks are still low, but they are there and they are certainly not tiny. More real are the risks of bullying or being targeted by teens who seem to hang out unsupervised. No thanks. My five year old is staying with me. It's not my problem that you are a prude, really it's not.

For context, I'm somebody who generally thinks parents are overprotective. If I'm uncomfortable with my child changing alone and unsupervised around naked strangers then so would virtually everyone in America.

[Anonymous]

I wish all those selfish fathers would stop bringing their daughters into the men's locker room's they are making my son uncomfortable. He is convinced they are checking out his penis even though they are only five.

His comfort is most important, right? They should go in to the ladies even though they are terrified of it and can't get their wet suits off on their own. I can't believe the selfish dads wouldn't put my son's need for comfort above their daughter's need for supervision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish all those selfish fathers would stop bringing their daughters into the men's locker room's they are making my son uncomfortable. He is convinced they are checking out his penis even though they are only five.

His comfort is most important, right? They should go in to the ladies even though they are terrified of it and can't get their wet suits off on their own. I can't believe the selfish dads wouldn't put my son's need for comfort above their daughter's need for supervision.

Yes, they should. And, you know what? My "precious snowflake" stays in a wet suit in her clothes in the car for the short ride home when she swims with her dad. It's not that hard. She's not going to suffer. Neither will your son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should have said this:

"He's five, so he can't go into the men's room alone. And no need to worry, he's not going to look at you, Ma'am...you're kind of old and gross."

You will be old and gross one day too PP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using the word prude makes someone a potty mouth? You've just proven her point, Ms Prudy.

You are also redefining the discussion. OP referenced a five year old, within the rules at her pool. You fabricated pools that have rules for three year olds and then insisted that a three year olds need to be supervised did not trump your screwed up daughter's "need" to be comfortable.

Btw, my daughter is not comfortable in communal changing rooms. She is particularly uncomfortable around middle age women. Perhaps I should demand that you change elsewhere? After all, it's all about the ten year old's comfort isn't it? I thought that a reasonable parent would tell her to suck it up, but I guess I need to demand special treatment like you instead.

It was pointed out that you are nuts. You have no right to dictate what mothers do with their young children especially when it involves them being unsupervised. If you have a problem with the rules then you need to go elsewhere. End of story.

Your post is completely off base as to me:

I'm talking to the lady who told someone to f-themselves at least 2x.

I am not the poster about the 3 year old limit.

I do have a right to dictate what moms do with their kids if they aren't following the rules posted and to be applied to all. I'll bring it up to that mom and management every time I see it. I'll also address her directly.

It is not just about the girl's comfort. It is about the rules and why they are there and how they are for everyone.

If you addressed me I would tell you to mind your own business. If you got management, I would tell them they need to provide someone to assist that has had a criminal and other background check and child abuse check as well as cameras being in the room. If there are stalls, you go in the stalls. Problem solved. No one except young kids should be changing in the open but as a mom to a boy, his safety comes first. Obviously you do not have young kids or boys or you are one of those hands off parents whose kid is the one running wild and you ignore it till it bothers you.

What you are saying is you will harass someone because they are not doing it your way. I would call security or the police on you without thinking twice.

So, today, you expect us to just take our child out soaking wet into a freezing car and drive home to change him? Really, if you do, you lack pure common sense.

Girls will not care in less you care. You are not talking about a 15 year old. You are talking about 3-4-5-6-7 year old boys who need supervision.

The irony is if you had a child in the dressing room alone, you'd probably be complaining about where are the child's parents and why aren't they supervising them.

And if I were management, I would ban your crazy ass.

The management would ban you. They made a second class for my son as he was first on the waitlist. I doubt they will be banning us when they are so nice and welcoming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using the word prude makes someone a potty mouth? You've just proven her point, Ms Prudy.

You are also redefining the discussion. OP referenced a five year old, within the rules at her pool. You fabricated pools that have rules for three year olds and then insisted that a three year olds need to be supervised did not trump your screwed up daughter's "need" to be comfortable.

Btw, my daughter is not comfortable in communal changing rooms. She is particularly uncomfortable around middle age women. Perhaps I should demand that you change elsewhere? After all, it's all about the ten year old's comfort isn't it? I thought that a reasonable parent would tell her to suck it up, but I guess I need to demand special treatment like you instead.

It was pointed out that you are nuts. You have no right to dictate what mothers do with their young children especially when it involves them being unsupervised. If you have a problem with the rules then you need to go elsewhere. End of story.

Your post is completely off base as to me:

I'm talking to the lady who told someone to f-themselves at least 2x.

I am not the poster about the 3 year old limit.

I do have a right to dictate what moms do with their kids if they aren't following the rules posted and to be applied to all. I'll bring it up to that mom and management every time I see it. I'll also address her directly.

It is not just about the girl's comfort. It is about the rules and why they are there and how they are for everyone.

If you addressed me I would tell you to mind your own business. If you got management, I would tell them they need to provide someone to assist that has had a criminal and other background check and child abuse check as well as cameras being in the room. If there are stalls, you go in the stalls. Problem solved. No one except young kids should be changing in the open but as a mom to a boy, his safety comes first. Obviously you do not have young kids or boys or you are one of those hands off parents whose kid is the one running wild and you ignore it till it bothers you.

What you are saying is you will harass someone because they are not doing it your way. I would call security or the police on you without thinking twice.

So, today, you expect us to just take our child out soaking wet into a freezing car and drive home to change him? Really, if you do, you lack pure common sense.

Girls will not care in less you care. You are not talking about a 15 year old. You are talking about 3-4-5-6-7 year old boys who need supervision.

The irony is if you had a child in the dressing room alone, you'd probably be complaining about where are the child's parents and why aren't they supervising them.

And if I were management, I would ban your crazy ass.

The management would ban you. They made a second class for my son as he was first on the waitlist. I doubt they will be banning us when they are so nice and welcoming.

Wait, you think they made a second class for just him? There had to be enough interest, several we're wait listed and a new class was formed. You cray cray.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Using the word prude makes someone a potty mouth? You've just proven her point, Ms Prudy.

You are also redefining the discussion. OP referenced a five year old, within the rules at her pool. You fabricated pools that have rules for three year olds and then insisted that a three year olds need to be supervised did not trump your screwed up daughter's "need" to be comfortable.

Btw, my daughter is not comfortable in communal changing rooms. She is particularly uncomfortable around middle age women. Perhaps I should demand that you change elsewhere? After all, it's all about the ten year old's comfort isn't it? I thought that a reasonable parent would tell her to suck it up, but I guess I need to demand special treatment like you instead.

It was pointed out that you are nuts. You have no right to dictate what mothers do with their young children especially when it involves them being unsupervised. If you have a problem with the rules then you need to go elsewhere. End of story.

Your post is completely off base as to me:

I'm talking to the lady who told someone to f-themselves at least 2x.

I am not the poster about the 3 year old limit.

I do have a right to dictate what moms do with their kids if they aren't following the rules posted and to be applied to all. I'll bring it up to that mom and management every time I see it. I'll also address her directly.

It is not just about the girl's comfort. It is about the rules and why they are there and how they are for everyone.

If you addressed me I would tell you to mind your own business. If you got management, I would tell them they need to provide someone to assist that has had a criminal and other background check and child abuse check as well as cameras being in the room. If there are stalls, you go in the stalls. Problem solved. No one except young kids should be changing in the open but as a mom to a boy, his safety comes first. Obviously you do not have young kids or boys or you are one of those hands off parents whose kid is the one running wild and you ignore it till it bothers you.

What you are saying is you will harass someone because they are not doing it your way. I would call security or the police on you without thinking twice.

So, today, you expect us to just take our child out soaking wet into a freezing car and drive home to change him? Really, if you do, you lack pure common sense.

Girls will not care in less you care. You are not talking about a 15 year old. You are talking about 3-4-5-6-7 year old boys who need supervision.

The irony is if you had a child in the dressing room alone, you'd probably be complaining about where are the child's parents and why aren't they supervising them.

And if I were management, I would ban your crazy ass.

The management would ban you. They made a second class for my son as he was first on the waitlist. I doubt they will be banning us when they are so nice and welcoming.

That's not how waitlists work. That's not how any of this works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The likelihood that someone is going to do something horrible to your snowflake while you are waiting outside the lockerroom is slim to none. You are scaring yourself to death over nothing and turning your children into dependent little freaks.

In that case do you send your five year old into a public rest room alone? I assume you must do.

I'm actually not to concerned about him being alone in a rest room except that I know that an adult would likely give me a dressing down for letting him go in alone. But I am concerned about locker rooms. It is well known that they are targets for abusers. Sure the risks are still low, but they are there and they are certainly not tiny. More real are the risks of bullying or being targeted by teens who seem to hang out unsupervised. No thanks. My five year old is staying with me. It's not my problem that you are a prude, really it's not.

For context, I'm somebody who generally thinks parents are overprotective. If I'm uncomfortable with my child changing alone and unsupervised around naked strangers then so would virtually everyone in America.

Yes. And I wait outside. They started going into restrooms at places like Target when they were 4.

The risks are tiny. Sexual assault or rape of a minor boy occurs in less than 1.4% of males. Of those assaults, less than 10% are committed by a stranger. The incidence rate for sexual assault on a minor boy is 2 in 1000. The likelihood of that happening at a public pool, while the boy's mother is waiting for him is pretty much zero.

If you are concerned about your child's safety look to your relatives, youth pastor, priest, teachers, or coaches.

Meanwhile, stop teaching your kids that the world is a terrifying place that is full of people who want to hurt them. Most people are good people. Your neighbors and people in your city aren't madmen who want to rape and murder children. They're just people, just like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone's uncomfortable with a child being in the locker area - they aren't able to go into a bathroom stall to change? WOW.

'
When there are 20 ladies from an aqua aerobics class who are changing into suits or out of suits, or a bunch of young ladies from the swim team, there aren't enough stalls for all of them. Your kid belongs in the boys' lockerroom with the boys, not in the ladies locker room.

I'm guessing that not all the women will need to change in private though. Most hopefully understand that a five year old boy isn't checking them out.

Your kid stares at people because he is curious, not because he is feeling sexy. It's obnoxious. IF you can't send him to the boys room at 5 then he needs to wait until he is older to take lessons.

[Anonymous]

Only lawyers or people married to lawyers would spend 20+ pages arguing over pool rules.

Is it a slow day in the law office or what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The likelihood that someone is going to do something horrible to your snowflake while you are waiting outside the lockerroom is slim to none. You are scaring yourself to death over nothing and turning your children into dependent little freaks.

In that case do you send your five year old into a public rest room alone? I assume you must do.

I'm actually not to concerned about him being alone in a rest room except that I know that an adult would likely give me a dressing down for letting him go in alone. But I am concerned about locker rooms. It is well known that they are targets for abusers. Sure the risks are still low, but they are there and they are certainly not tiny. More real are the risks of bullying or being targeted by teens who seem to hang out unsupervised. No thanks. My five year old is staying with me. It's not my problem that you are a prude, really it's not.

For context, I'm somebody who generally thinks parents are overprotective. If I'm uncomfortable with my child changing alone and unsupervised around naked strangers then so would virtually everyone in America.

Yes. And I wait outside. They started going into restrooms at places like Target when they were 4.

The risks are tiny. Sexual assault or rape of a minor boy occurs in less than 1.4% of males. Of those assaults, less than 10% are committed by a stranger. The incidence rate for sexual assault on a minor boy is 2 in 1000. The likelihood of that happening at a public pool, while the boy's mother is waiting for him is pretty much zero.

If you are concerned about your child's safety look to your relatives, youth pastor, priest, teachers, or coaches.

Meanwhile, stop teaching your kids that the world is a terrifying place that is full of people who want to hurt them. Most people are good people. Your neighbors and people in your city aren't madmen who want to rape and murder children. They're just people, just like you.

I don't. Did you read what I wrote? But I don't think it's appropriate for little boys to be undressing alone, in a place where there IS privacy and there are strangers. I have heard this happen to many times. And I have no fears that my child will be abducted from the front yard, or the shopping mall and think that kids are typically overcoddled. But I DO NOT agree that it is appropriate to send a 4 year old into a locker room to get changed alone, but among strangers, strangers who are not being observed by anyone. It just isn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The likelihood that someone is going to do something horrible to your snowflake while you are waiting outside the lockerroom is slim to none. You are scaring yourself to death over nothing and turning your children into dependent little freaks.

In that case do you send your five year old into a public rest room alone? I assume you must do.

I'm actually not to concerned about him being alone in a rest room except that I know that an adult would likely give me a dressing down for letting him go in alone. But I am concerned about locker rooms. It is well known that they are targets for abusers. Sure the risks are still low, but they are there and they are certainly not tiny. More real are the risks of bullying or being targeted by teens who seem to hang out unsupervised. No thanks. My five year old is staying with me. It's not my problem that you are a prude, really it's not.

For context, I'm somebody who generally thinks parents are overprotective. If I'm uncomfortable with my child changing alone and unsupervised around naked strangers then so would virtually everyone in America.

Yes. And I wait outside. They started going into restrooms at places like Target when they were 4.

The risks are tiny. Sexual assault or rape of a minor boy occurs in less than 1.4% of males. Of those assaults, less than 10% are committed by a stranger. The incidence rate for sexual assault on a minor boy is 2 in 1000. The likelihood of that happening at a public pool, while the boy's mother is waiting for him is pretty much zero.

If you are concerned about your child's safety look to your relatives, youth pastor, priest, teachers, or coaches.

Meanwhile, stop teaching your kids that the world is a terrifying place that is full of people who want to hurt them. Most people are good people. Your neighbors and people in your city aren't madmen who want to rape and murder children. They're just people, just like you.

This is utter bullshit. I do not know a single child who is capable of going into a Target restroom at 4 years old by him or herself. This thread is so heavily rife with trollers and bullshitters that I don't see why we are even continuing the discussion. My child isn't tall enough to reach the faucets or the paper towels at many public restrooms and he's 5. I wouldn't want my kids touching the toilet with their hands - or navigating that nasty shit by themselves. At 4 years old, I don't think kids can be trusted not to do random weird stuff, like decide today's the day they want to check out what's inside that little trashcan inside the ladies room. And if you want to say NOT MY SALLY I'm sorry - yes, your Sally too. Sorry - no way this is real, and if it is, you're not a responsible parent in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone's uncomfortable with a child being in the locker area - they aren't able to go into a bathroom stall to change? WOW.

'
When there are 20 ladies from an aqua aerobics class who are changing into suits or out of suits, or a bunch of young ladies from the swim team, there aren't enough stalls for all of them. Your kid belongs in the boys' lockerroom with the boys, not in the ladies locker room.

I'm guessing that not all the women will need to change in private though. Most hopefully understand that a five year old boy isn't checking them out.

Your kid stares at people because he is curious, not because he is feeling sexy. It's obnoxious. IF you can't send him to the boys room at 5 then he needs to wait until he is older to take lessons.

My kid doesn't stare at anyone. The rules say 6, stop suggesting that the rules don't apply. The reason my son doesn't stare at anyone is because he has no hang ups about the human body. He knows what men and women look like naked. There is no curiousity to explore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The likelihood that someone is going to do something horrible to your snowflake while you are waiting outside the lockerroom is slim to none. You are scaring yourself to death over nothing and turning your children into dependent little freaks.

In that case do you send your five year old into a public rest room alone? I assume you must do.

I'm actually not to concerned about him being alone in a rest room except that I know that an adult would likely give me a dressing down for letting him go in alone. But I am concerned about locker rooms. It is well known that they are targets for abusers. Sure the risks are still low, but they are there and they are certainly not tiny. More real are the risks of bullying or being targeted by teens who seem to hang out unsupervised. No thanks. My five year old is staying with me. It's not my problem that you are a prude, really it's not.

For context, I'm somebody who generally thinks parents are overprotective. If I'm uncomfortable with my child changing alone and unsupervised around naked strangers then so would virtually everyone in America.

Yes. And I wait outside. They started going into restrooms at places like Target when they were 4.

The risks are tiny. Sexual assault or rape of a minor boy occurs in less than 1.4% of males. Of those assaults, less than 10% are committed by a stranger. The incidence rate for sexual assault on a minor boy is 2 in 1000. The likelihood of that happening at a public pool, while the boy's mother is waiting for him is pretty much zero.

If you are concerned about your child's safety look to your relatives, youth pastor, priest, teachers, or coaches.

Meanwhile, stop teaching your kids that the world is a terrifying place that is full of people who want to hurt them. Most people are good people. Your neighbors and people in your city aren't madmen who want to rape and murder children. They're just people, just like you.

This is utter bullshit. I do not know a single child who is capable of going into a Target restroom at 4 years old by him or herself. This thread is so heavily rife with trollers and bullshitters that I don't see why we are even continuing the discussion. My child isn't tall enough to reach the faucets or the paper towels at many public restrooms and he's 5. I wouldn't want my kids touching the toilet with their hands - or navigating that nasty shit by themselves. At 4 years old, I don't think kids can be trusted not to do random weird stuff, like decide today's the day they want to check out what's inside that little trashcan inside the ladies room. And if you want to say NOT MY SALLY I'm sorry - yes, your Sally too. Sorry - no way this is real, and if it is, you're not a responsible parent in any way.

Agree. Not to mention most men's restrooms are pretty gross. So for a 4 year old boy to navigate that on his own? No way. And my 5 year old won't either.