Option B Alternate - Adding extra ES to WJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Go back and look at Original Options 2 and 4 from last summer. The Woodward boundary and demographics looks very much like what Taylor recommended. That’s why it’s absurd for the Farmland people to say that this was sprung on them at the 11th hour. VM and WW were proposed at Woodward for a year.

Using that same logic, VM going to WJ shouldn't be such a big stretch either since that has also been discussed last summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go back and look at Original Options 2 and 4 from last summer. The Woodward boundary and demographics looks very much like what Taylor recommended. That’s why it’s absurd for the Farmland people to say that this was sprung on them at the 11th hour. VM and WW were proposed at Woodward for a year.

Using that same logic, VM going to WJ shouldn't be such a big stretch either since that has also been discussed last summer.

Option 3 (the one that prioritized equalizing FARMs rates) had Farmland being sent to Kennedy

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No, you just realize how far ahead they started befofe they were even born. I was a FARMS and I don’t want my kids to go to a school like the proposed WJ. It’s not geographically part of our neighborhood and I don’t want my kids to be the “other”

Better write to the BOE immediately, the Karens from Farmland and Luxmanor are intent on sending VM to WJ because they do not want you at their brand new Woodward property.

They will claim it is the WJ folk who don't want you at WJ, but look who is pushing the agenda....and they are disingenuous about the purpose. It is the race issue.

Isn't this wonderful. A hater from VM who thinks that all white kids are rich hordes and a white property value booster from WJ finding a common ground.

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Anonymous wrote:Go back and look at Original Options 2 and 4 from last summer. The Woodward boundary and demographics looks very much like what Taylor recommended. That’s why it’s absurd for the Farmland people to say that this was sprung on them at the 11th hour. VM and WW were proposed at Woodward for a year.

Using that same logic, VM going to WJ shouldn't be such a big stretch either since that has also been discussed last summer.

Option 3 (the one that prioritized equalizing FARMs rates) had Farmland being sent to Kennedy

So? I thought you hated Farmland. Seems that your obsession with your property value is stronger than your hate.

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Anonymous wrote:Go back and look at Original Options 2 and 4 from last summer. The Woodward boundary and demographics looks very much like what Taylor recommended. That’s why it’s absurd for the Farmland people to say that this was sprung on them at the 11th hour. VM and WW were proposed at Woodward for a year.

Using that same logic, VM going to WJ shouldn't be such a big stretch either since that has also been discussed last summer.

Option 3 (the one that prioritized equalizing FARMs rates) had Farmland being sent to Kennedy

So? I thought you hated Farmland. Seems that your obsession with your property value is stronger than your hate.

Not PP and I have zero stake in Farmland.

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Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

How is keeping your kids with “many people like them” diversity? Sounds like you want to hold your kids back instead of sending them to an objectively better school- crab in a bucket mentality.

+1 🦀 🦀 🦀 🪣 🪣 🪣

Only a white person would make this comment! I dare you to make this same statement to Wootton families. Somehow you think it’s okay to talk to black and brown families like this.

Only a 🪣 🦀 would choose to send their kid to a worse school with worse outcomes in the name of “diversity”. If the original poster really wanted diversity, they’d send their kids to WJ where they can meet kids who are different than they are and be exposed to better outcomes.

It’s 🪣🦀 mentality and the sad part is - it’s the parents dragging their own kids down.

Cite your data that proves this. “Exposed to better outcomes” is such a coded racist phrase. You make it seem as if my black/brown kid can become a better human just by watching your white kid!

Ignore the troll

Former poor kid here. Exposed to better outcomes is so important when you grow up around poverty. You see broader possibilities AND realize that these rich kids aren’t any smarter than you are. It’s a tremendous advantage to be exposed to better outcomes regardless of race.

Now the question is, why wouldn’t Woodward kids be exposed to better outcomes? This is still going to be a majority UMC high school.

+1

I was poor but able to go to a great school when I moved into my grandparents house. Just being around smart kids with structure made a tremendous difference on my life and outcome compared to my peers who stayed behind at the local school. A rising tide raises all ships.

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Anonymous wrote:VM parents strongly support Taylor's plan. We want Woodward, not WJ.

No, you support Taylor's plan. And that is fine. But stop pretending that you speak for the entire VM community.

The opinions in the VM parent Whatsapp group are largely unanimous. Are you a current VM parent?

DP

I don't question that what you are saying about sentiment on WhatsApp is true. But I find it mind-boggling that there would be such a strong consensus not to select a school that will almost certainly have better class offering, better teacher and overall better academic reputation. Not to mention that Woodward will be stuck with the art magnet, additionally diverting resources from things that matter.

We don't want a pressure-cooker W school. Our cluster doesn't want our mostly first-gen Hispanic children to have to compete with hordes of wealthy privileged white kids who have private tutors and SAT prep. We purchased our home in Randolph Hills anticipating that our kids could go to school in a diverse, welcoming environment with many people like them, not shipped off to Bethesda to be the token diversity population.

How is keeping your kids with “many people like them” diversity? Sounds like you want to hold your kids back instead of sending them to an objectively better school- crab in a bucket mentality.

+1 🦀 🦀 🦀 🪣 🪣 🪣

Only a white person would make this comment! I dare you to make this same statement to Wootton families. Somehow you think it’s okay to talk to black and brown families like this.

Only a 🪣 🦀 would choose to send their kid to a worse school with worse outcomes in the name of “diversity”. If the original poster really wanted diversity, they’d send their kids to WJ where they can meet kids who are different than they are and be exposed to better outcomes.

It’s 🪣🦀 mentality and the sad part is - it’s the parents dragging their own kids down.

Cite your data that proves this. “Exposed to better outcomes” is such a coded racist phrase. You make it seem as if my black/brown kid can become a better human just by watching your white kid!

Ignore the troll

Observing smart kids engage in nefarious activities such as reading books or doing a math homework can corrupt young innocent minds. Thank you two for reminding us of this danger and for some reason bringing race into it even though PP never implied it.

[Anonymous]

There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

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Going back to the petition shared in the OP. The creator is a real estate agent who won’t even have any kids in MCPS in 2027.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Going back to the petition shared in the OP. The creator is a real estate agent who won’t even have any kids in MCPS in 2027.

+1000 never trust realtors

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Anonymous wrote:Go back and look at Original Options 2 and 4 from last summer. The Woodward boundary and demographics looks very much like what Taylor recommended. That’s why it’s absurd for the Farmland people to say that this was sprung on them at the 11th hour. VM and WW were proposed at Woodward for a year.

Using that same logic, VM going to WJ shouldn't be such a big stretch either since that has also been discussed last summer.

Option 3 (the one that prioritized equalizing FARMs rates) had Farmland being sent to Kennedy

Farmland was not comfortable going to school with minorities at Kennedy or at Woodward I guess. So they created a change.org petition.

But the point is this was not "11th hour". Taylor proposed Farmland going to school with Hispanic community. He also proposed WW and VM going to Woodward and it being a majority-minority school with utilization rates 10% above WJ. There was proper notice and comment. BOE should affirm the Superintendent's recommendation.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.