Option B Alternate - Adding extra ES to WJ?

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When does the BOE vote on this?

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

GPES and KPES islands probably join Farmland and Luxmanor elementary in the next study. The petition is because Farmland is upset with demographics at new Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:When does the BOE vote on this?

March 26

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

The modifications are consistent with what has been on the table all year regarding composition and utilization. It was a very slight change based on feedback. Those who are upset would have been upset regardless.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

They stated all along MCPS could modify and it was not necessarily going to be one of the options. That was crystal clear.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

GPES and KPES islands probably join Farmland and Luxmanor elementary in the next study. The petition is because Farmland is upset with demographics at new Woodward.

Every group pays attention to FARMS. Why is MCPS including FARMS numbers in tables for all options? They are pretty much the only stat presented when describing different options. But somehow Farmland should ignore that they are getting the biggest jump by far. While at the same time WJ is getting some hypothetical considerations like "there will be a lot of developments here so let's keep utilization at 77%". There are developments everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

They stated all along MCPS could modify and it was not necessarily going to be one of the options. That was crystal clear.

And he made bad modifications. I assume you will be fine when BOE makes their own modifications (since it is crystal clear they have the authority to do so), or the process should stop at the moment you are happy with the outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

GPES and KPES islands probably join Farmland and Luxmanor elementary in the next study. The petition is because Farmland is upset with demographics at new Woodward.

Every group pays attention to FARMS. Why is MCPS including FARMS numbers in tables for all options? They are pretty much the only stat presented when describing different options. But somehow Farmland should ignore that they are getting the biggest jump by far. While at the same time WJ is getting some hypothetical considerations like "there will be a lot of developments here so let's keep utilization at 77%". There are developments everywhere.

They include race. English as second language too. It’s not only stat.

Farmland was not entitled to maintain WJ level FARMS in new Woodward. They are behaving as if they were.

And the development in new WJ is real. Not hypothetical.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

They stated all along MCPS could modify and it was not necessarily going to be one of the options. That was crystal clear.

And he made bad modifications. I assume you will be fine when BOE makes their own modifications (since it is crystal clear they have the authority to do so), or the process should stop at the moment you are happy with the outcome.

They have very little authority to switch this to say Option F right now. He presented a 80 page justification in support. They will have to adopt.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

They stated all along MCPS could modify and it was not necessarily going to be one of the options. That was crystal clear.

And he made bad modifications. I assume you will be fine when BOE makes their own modifications (since it is crystal clear they have the authority to do so), or the process should stop at the moment you are happy with the outcome.

They have very little authority to switch this to say Option F right now. He presented a 80 page justification in support. They will have to adopt.

FAA language says minor only. Swapping around 3 different schools isn’t minor. At a certain point the board needs to back up their super too.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

The recommendation is not Option B. The recommendation is modified Option B. I started this whole exchange by saying that Taylor made a mistake by making his own modifications. If he simply selected one of the Options, let's say Option B, there would be less pushback since options have been discussed for quite some time. But with modifications, he deepened divide, unbalanced utilization and made some groups justifiably upset.

They stated all along MCPS could modify and it was not necessarily going to be one of the options. That was crystal clear.

And he made bad modifications. I assume you will be fine when BOE makes their own modifications (since it is crystal clear they have the authority to do so), or the process should stop at the moment you are happy with the outcome.

They have very little authority to switch this to say Option F right now. He presented a 80 page justification in support. They will have to adopt.

FAA language says minor only. Swapping around 3 different schools isn’t minor. At a certain point the board needs to back up their super too.

Backing up their super is literally the only thing the BOE does

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

GPES and KPES islands probably join Farmland and Luxmanor elementary in the next study. The petition is because Farmland is upset with demographics at new Woodward.

Every group pays attention to FARMS. Why is MCPS including FARMS numbers in tables for all options? They are pretty much the only stat presented when describing different options. But somehow Farmland should ignore that they are getting the biggest jump by far. While at the same time WJ is getting some hypothetical considerations like "there will be a lot of developments here so let's keep utilization at 77%". There are developments everywhere.

I’d encourage everyone to review this document and see where development is concentrated in the county rather than dismiss Woodward utilization concerns. There is a material concentration in North Bethesda. The development on Strathmore is not the driver. All Woodward communities should be concerned about this.
https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Pipeline-Analysis-Staff-Report_10.16.25_.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

GPES and KPES islands probably join Farmland and Luxmanor elementary in the next study. The petition is because Farmland is upset with demographics at new Woodward.

Every group pays attention to FARMS. Why is MCPS including FARMS numbers in tables for all options? They are pretty much the only stat presented when describing different options. But somehow Farmland should ignore that they are getting the biggest jump by far. While at the same time WJ is getting some hypothetical considerations like "there will be a lot of developments here so let's keep utilization at 77%". There are developments everywhere.

I’d encourage everyone to review this document and see where development is concentrated in the county rather than dismiss Woodward utilization concerns. There is a material concentration in North Bethesda. The development on Strathmore is not the driver. All Woodward communities should be concerned about this.
https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Pipeline-Analysis-Staff-Report_10.16.25_.pdf

Strathmore, Grosvenor metro, near the mall, Ashburton. WJ is developing with built in capacity.

White flint is just blight. For 15 years. Amazon didn’t want it.

Woodward is under utilized in the recommendation. And let’s be clear, Farmland was OK with 93% Woodward utilization (eg option F) so long as they didn’t get VM and WW together.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some really interesting posts here but also just so much name-calling. Like, why? What is the purpose or goal of spending so much time name-calling and accusing other people of being liars? I don’t think it’s super hard to tell which posts seem like sincere comments from thoughtful parents and community members and which ones seem like a desperate attempt to either sew acrimony or disparage other points of view and communities. It’s honestly deeply weird.

And as you were typing this, the post that came at the same time provided a perfect example of what you are saying.

The problem with this topic is that it is very polarizing. No matter what the outcome, there will be winners and losers. Taylor made a mistake by making his own modification to one of the options. By doing that, he divided current WJ community, he divided current GPES community and he created bad blood among future Woodward community.

By your point he divided the KPES too? But to be honest. GPES and KPES "islands" going to Woodward make complete sense. "Core" GPES (town, neighborhood near the school, parkside) and "Core" KPES (parkwood near the school) going to WJ makes complete sense too. MCPS will do a boundary study for elementary soon. KPES is under capacity by a lot. Ashburton is way over capacity. They will re-draw to bring some of Ashburton into "Core" KPES and GPES, and the islands are likely gone mooting this point.

He gave all groups what they wanted except Farmland....BUT farmland should go to Woodward and be fine with VMES and WWES going to their school.

That is an oversimplification. If they make the change as proposed by the petition you could also say that "all groups got what they wanted", given what was discussed for months prior to the recommendation. But now, that we have the recommendation, the goal post has shifted and different groups have recalibrated their ambitions.

I can use GPES as an example. For months they were united and advocated against split articulation, Woodward or WJ. One of the reasons was that they were worried some parts may end up in Wheaton. But now with the recommendation, WJ part is happy and don't want anything to change and the other part is supporting the petition.

The petition is clear in their reasoning and they are making valid points. This whole Farmland/ Luxmanor are not being principled is just a noise from other groups that now feel threatened because their perspective shifted.

Wrong about GPES. The PTA leadership was all from the “islands” off Tuckerman and Nicholson. They wanted no split articulation because it meant bringing everyone to Woodward with them... including the Town of GP, Parkside, Estates. They didn’t care about the views of those living near the school.

The area close to GPES clearly wanted to keep the neighborhood together, not necessarily the entire school…elementsa Boundary is going to change soon anyway. And the Option that the superintended selected was the one they were ok with because it kept the town and adjacent neighborhood together. They literally had signs and flyers advocating for Option B.

+1 Farmland manipulating the KPES GPES island situation making it seem like Taylor is splitting one neighborhood. They are not even close. Keep neighborhoods together. Islands are not in our neighborhood