US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

In employment yes, but not in college admissions.

NP. In order to get employment—especially gainful employment—you need to have a certain level of academic achievement. So, saying affirmative action is only beneficial to white women within the realm of employment (as if..) is impressively ignorant .Not that I'm surprised.

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

The difference of opinion regarded whether or not to capitalize the letter b…

Black people do not have to conform to your stereotypical “tells” to be black. I have no idea whether or not you are black. I can say for sure that you are closed-minded.

And I can say for sure that you’re not Black, racist troll.

I am black and not a troll. Sorry your narrow mind can’t handle it.

No you’re not, racist troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing will change. Listen to a podcast from a few mos back w/ UC Berkeley admissions head who said that they look at other factors that imply race.

Well - you can’t use “other factors” to intentionally reach the same racially discriminatory result. If the Cal admissions head was claiming they use other data as a proxy for race to the same ends that the Court just outlawed, that’s still a violation.

Yes I was shocked by what I heard on the podcast, in light of the CA rules.

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

The difference of opinion regarded whether or not to capitalize the letter b…

Black people do not have to conform to your stereotypical “tells” to be black. I have no idea whether or not you are black. I can say for sure that you are closed-minded.

And I can say for sure that you’re not Black, racist troll.

I am black and not a troll. Sorry your narrow mind can’t handle it.

There are multiple posters calling out your digital blackface.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.

Yeah . I can't wait to see what white people write about racial hardship.

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Asian, White and Black students enter a baking competition. Black students have their hands tied behind their back. Asian and White bake beautiful cakes. They place first and second. Although there is an award for third place, the Black student does not get it because they did not finish their cake. Everyone says, well it's the Black person's fault for not producing a great cake. Yet, it's incredible that they were able to produce any edible cake at all. They say "Look, the goal was clear! Just bake a cake. Easy! We did it and won!"

Everyone who is celebrating this decision is proud of their status and privilege. Many Black students enter college and excel - despite the fact that they have had every barrier possible thrown their way. Affirmative Action was a system for giving credit to people who have been and continue to be historically marginalized.

Now, fewer deserving Black students will be allowed access because the criteria they are being judged on is not attainable to many of them.

It's a sad, sad day!

[Anonymous]

so clearly their is no legal way for a college to attempt to guess the race of applicants on a large scale, right?
No reason so scrub the internet/social media of pictures of our kids or ourselves, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

No self-respecting Black person refers to themselves as black.

Get over yourself. I don’t capitalize it because I’m not constantly trying to follow whatever late-breaking fad has been thought up to signal your membership in the liberal tribe. I also, gasp, don’t use BIPOC!

You’re not Black, troll. No one believes your poor attempt at digital blackface. Move along.

What is it that prevents you from accepting that a black person can have a different opinion than you? In what other contexts or with what other races do you deny people the possibility of thinking for themselves?

It’s not the difference of opinion that’s at issue for me; it’s the wording of your statements. There are certain “tells” that make it clear that you’re not Black (not including the lack of capitalization of the B). And no, I’m not going to reveal the tells. IYKYK.

What a tragedy to withhold this wisdom, this manual of stereotypes, from DCUM

Pretty sure Clarence Thomas would fail your test and he’s definitely black (and absolutely right about affirmative action).

Clarence Thomas has abused his position by selling access to his office to the highest bidder. His wife is a similar sloppy amoral mess. Good to know that’s who you align yourself with here. I’m not interested in having any additional exchange with you.

Way to move the goals posts there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:President Obama issued a statement that supports the decision in a subtle manner.

First Lady Obama also issued a statement that acknowledges the decision and recognizes that some must work harder.

Neither expressed any type of outrage or anger or even strong disappointment at the decision.

Because they are lawyers who know schools will figure out how to admit diverse students even if a race box can't be checked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.

Asians will write about racial harship without revealing they are Asisns, and even implying they could be Blacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

You are a Black person who has gotten respect doing all of these thing? So you were the President? Nice corresponding with you Mr. Obama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.

Why? There are many accounts of UMC Blacks being excessively stopped by cops, being treated suspiciously when they shop, when they are walking around in their UMC neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.

Yeah . I can't wait to see what white people write about racial hardship.

The college has no way of knowing that they are white. They can write whatever they want and become whomever they want in their essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard doesn't seem to upset with the decision and they are highlighting the subjective aspects of decisions in their letter to the alumni community:

"The Court also ruled that colleges and universities may consider in admissions decisions “an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.” We will certainly comply with the Court’s decision."

Lol—yeah this isn’t the AA victory many Asians and whites originally thought [Shrug].

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great day! God has spoken.

Certainly the nutters are speaking.