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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year this happens and every year I don’t understand why people get upset. It is the same story just about every time: “my super high stat kid was waitlisted”. Well did they visit? No. Was VT a priority? No. Did they ED? No. Was VT even near the top of your list? No. Then why be upset? VT took the kids that wanted to be there, and by the way, those kids had good stats too.

Did it all except ED. Tech was first choice by a mile but kid wanted to show A grade in challenging math course first semester. Got A. Was waitlisted and will likely go to GMU but a little disappointed in the end.

VT does not look at senior year grades AT ALL. Your senior received bad advice if that was their only reason for not EDing.

It’s ridiculous if colleges don’t look at senior year grades. So, 25% of a kid’s high school transcript is just ignored? DS’ had all A’s freshman year, grades dropped somewhat during the screwed up distance learning fiasco, but recovered after schools reopened and he has straight A’s senior year. Rejected from VT, accepted elsewhere with merit, and still waiting on a few. Not a CS or engineering major.

I could be wrong, but I think the PP meant VT doesn’t look at senior year grades for ED/EA? But I think for RD they do.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Did he apply ED?

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Anonymous wrote:VT is playing the social engineering game with the state kids and it is tiring and frustrating. A state school should represent the make-up of the state and any school that has the outright goal of 40% URM/1st Gen is not representing the population of the state that it is supposed to serve. Also, why accept lower stat OOS kids over high stat in-state?? That makes no sense at all to me. The majority of state schools do the opposite.
The theory of high stat kids using it as a safety shouldn't matter; look at Pitt - they accept high stat kids and are fully aware that many of them consider it a safety but a lot of those kids end up attending, loving the school and increasing the caliber of the school.

Interesting that you don't complain about UVA or W&M doing exactly the same thing - but refusing to acknowledge it. I'd much rather have a school that is transparent and honest than one that hides their admission goals. Any school that uses ED uses it to determine who is serious about the school vs who is not. Can't say I blame them.

Regarding OOS/in-state - where on earth are you getting this? How would you possibly know the stats of those accepted vs. rejected?

W&M and UVA’s Presidents didn’t announce an all-out charge to make the campuses 40% URM and first generation

But that doesn't mean they haven't tried to do it.

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Of course they do it. If you’re URM or 1st Gen *anywhere* you have a huge advantage. You have to have the stats, but still. Not saying this is good or bad, but it is a fact.

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No one is blaming this on URM students. They are current with the news. Pushing the student body to over 40% URM and first-generation was something pledged by the current head of VT, Tim Sands in 2017 and is still very much an issue there today. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. Read also the Chronicle of Higher Education. There are only so many VT engineering seats so if Sands wants to engage in social engineering like this then someone is not going to get in. Hence, yield protection and caucasian and Asian students, especially TJ students, who used to get in (all else equal) are not getting in. This is very much a news issue being discussed in Higher Education. Some feel that the Commonwealth's only polytechnic school should not be engaging in this kind of social engineering, especially since the privates are doing it. Shouldn't VT be serving the students of the state? Also, as mentioned above, URM and first-generation IS a proxy for getting around test scores and GPA and accessing more Pell grant students, which, indeed, does push VT up the USNWR ranking. Query also whether the only public polytech institution in the Commonwealth should be trying to push its way up USNWR. Some commentators think this is OK, some do not. The parents of high-stats kids who used to be able to get into VT engineering, computer science and math programs(especially the TJ parents) disagree. It's that simple

How many times are you going to post this?

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This poster is obsessed. She posts exactly the same thing, verbatim, in every thread about VT. And yet, VT is 60% white/Asian - and other schools do exactly the same thing, they just don't publicize it. Some really sour grapes there.

Tech is now 40.4% URM and first/generation because of Tim Sand’s desire to try and raise Tech’s status in USNWR rankings by filling the class with first-generation and URMs, thereby increasing the chances of getting some additional Pell grant students. That it a fact and has berm well-documented since he said he was going to do this in 2017. The Commonwealth’s composition is not 40.4 per cent URM and first-generation. Why is the only polytechnic school in the state allowed to do this? It’s a very fair question

Because it is noble and virtuous objective? That is approved by the Board of Visitors? Who are approved by the governor.

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

Serious? Rejected with similar to above post? DS was Waitlisted, had 3.8W, 3 APs, 9 Honors, 1300 SAT, one service (though service close to his major-BIT) no sport no leadership, asian from NOVA. Toured twice, no contact.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is playing the social engineering game with the state kids and it is tiring and frustrating. A state school should represent the make-up of the state and any school that has the outright goal of 40% URM/1st Gen is not representing the population of the state that it is supposed to serve. Also, why accept lower stat OOS kids over high stat in-state?? That makes no sense at all to me. The majority of state schools do the opposite.
The theory of high stat kids using it as a safety shouldn't matter; look at Pitt - they accept high stat kids and are fully aware that many of them consider it a safety but a lot of those kids end up attending, loving the school and increasing the caliber of the school.

VA is 60% white. So 40% URM tracks.

VA is 6% Asian. So are you mad VaTeach is not aiming for 34% URM???

Wrong. Almost 70% white and 7% Asian. 20% Black. Negligible hispanics. What were you saying again?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/virginia-population

Virginia Demographics

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Virginia was:

White: 66.32%
Black or African American: 19.05%
Asian: 6.7%
Two or more races: 4.77%
Other race: 2.83%
Native American: 0.27%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.07%

Not PP you're responding to, but negligible Hispanics does not seem right.

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No one is blaming this on URM students. They are current with the news. Pushing the student body to over 40% URM and first-generation was something pledged by the current head of VT, Tim Sands in 2017 and is still very much an issue there today. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. Read also the Chronicle of Higher Education. There are only so many VT engineering seats so if Sands wants to engage in social engineering like this then someone is not going to get in. Hence, yield protection and caucasian and Asian students, especially TJ students, who used to get in (all else equal) are not getting in. This is very much a news issue being discussed in Higher Education. Some feel that the Commonwealth's only polytechnic school should not be engaging in this kind of social engineering, especially since the privates are doing it. Shouldn't VT be serving the students of the state? Also, as mentioned above, URM and first-generation IS a proxy for getting around test scores and GPA and accessing more Pell grant students, which, indeed, does push VT up the USNWR ranking. Query also whether the only public polytech institution in the Commonwealth should be trying to push its way up USNWR. Some commentators think this is OK, some do not. The parents of high-stats kids who used to be able to get into VT engineering, computer science and math programs(especially the TJ parents) disagree. It's that simple

How many times are you going to post this?

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This poster is obsessed. She posts exactly the same thing, verbatim, in every thread about VT. And yet, VT is 60% white/Asian - and other schools do exactly the same thing, they just don't publicize it. Some really sour grapes there.

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This poster shows up ALL the time. Surely there is a klan meeting going on somewhere they can dash off to.

Tech is now 40.4% URM and first/generation because of Tim Sand’s desire to try and raise Tech’s status in USNWR rankings by filling the class with first-generation and URMs, thereby increasing the chances of getting some additional Pell grant students. That it a fact and has berm well-documented since he said he was going to do this in 2017. The Commonwealth’s composition is not 40.4 per cent URM and first-generation. Why is the only polytechnic school in the state allowed to do this? It’s a very fair question

NP. Not sure where these numbers are coming from. All non white together are less than 40%, and that includes Asian and international students. I just looked at vt demographics, and it is heavily white and under representative in diversity. Sounds like you have an axe to grind and are willing to fudge numbers to get there.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is playing the social engineering game with the state kids and it is tiring and frustrating. A state school should represent the make-up of the state and any school that has the outright goal of 40% URM/1st Gen is not representing the population of the state that it is supposed to serve. Also, why accept lower stat OOS kids over high stat in-state?? That makes no sense at all to me. The majority of state schools do the opposite.
The theory of high stat kids using it as a safety shouldn't matter; look at Pitt - they accept high stat kids and are fully aware that many of them consider it a safety but a lot of those kids end up attending, loving the school and increasing the caliber of the school.

VA is 60% white. So 40% URM tracks.

VA is 6% Asian. So are you mad VaTeach is not aiming for 34% URM???

Wrong. Almost 70% white and 7% Asian. 20% Black. Negligible hispanics. What were you saying again?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/virginia-population


Google fall 2022 class Virginia tech most diverse. Figure given by VT is 40.4% URM, underserved and first generation

Virginia Demographics

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Virginia was:

White: 66.32%
Black or African American: 19.05%
Asian: 6.7%
Two or more races: 4.77%
Other race: 2.83%
Native American: 0.27%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.07%

Not PP you're responding to, but negligible Hispanics does not seem right.

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It’s ridiculous if colleges don’t look at senior year grades. So, 25% of a kid’s high school transcript is just ignored? DS’ had all A’s freshman year, grades dropped somewhat during the screwed up distance learning fiasco, but recovered after schools reopened and he has straight A’s senior year. Rejected from VT, accepted elsewhere with merit, and still waiting on a few. Not a CS or engineering major.

If you are new to the college admissions process this is a tough lesson to learn. Colleges base their decisions on Freshman-Junior year grades and GPA and class rankings for schools who have them. If you start off as number one in your class in fall of senior year then in their eyes you are the valedictorian and they admit you based on whether you fall from that position or not. Most virginia schools need applications prior to your first semester GPA's being updated. They don't ask for transcripts from quarter one so those grades are not looked at. It's a very tough lesson to learn for kids who had a rough first few years.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is playing the social engineering game with the state kids and it is tiring and frustrating. A state school should represent the make-up of the state and any school that has the outright goal of 40% URM/1st Gen is not representing the population of the state that it is supposed to serve. Also, why accept lower stat OOS kids over high stat in-state?? That makes no sense at all to me. The majority of state schools do the opposite.
The theory of high stat kids using it as a safety shouldn't matter; look at Pitt - they accept high stat kids and are fully aware that many of them consider it a safety but a lot of those kids end up attending, loving the school and increasing the caliber of the school.

VA is 60% white. So 40% URM tracks.

VA is 6% Asian. So are you mad VaTeach is not aiming for 34% URM???

Wrong. Almost 70% white and 7% Asian. 20% Black. Negligible hispanics. What were you saying again?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/virginia-population


Google fall 2022 class Virginia tech most diverse. Figure given by VT is 40.4% URM, underserved and first generation

Virginia Demographics

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Virginia was:

White: 66.32%
Black or African American: 19.05%
Asian: 6.7%
Two or more races: 4.77%
Other race: 2.83%
Native American: 0.27%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.07%

Not PP you're responding to, but negligible Hispanics does not seem right.

The VT Common Data Set for 2022-2023 says VT undergrads overall are...

60% White
12% Asian
10% Hispanic
6% Black
4% International
5% Multiracial, not Hispanic
3% unknown

They made very slight progress in growing URMs in the latest year...the 1st year undergrads were:

58% White (-2% vs those not 1st years)
12% Asian (unchanged)
11% Hispanic (+2% pts)
7% Black (+1% pt)
6% Multiracial (+1% pt)
3% International (-2% pt)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VT is playing the social engineering game with the state kids and it is tiring and frustrating. A state school should represent the make-up of the state and any school that has the outright goal of 40% URM/1st Gen is not representing the population of the state that it is supposed to serve. Also, why accept lower stat OOS kids over high stat in-state?? That makes no sense at all to me. The majority of state schools do the opposite.
The theory of high stat kids using it as a safety shouldn't matter; look at Pitt - they accept high stat kids and are fully aware that many of them consider it a safety but a lot of those kids end up attending, loving the school and increasing the caliber of the school.

VA is 60% white. So 40% URM tracks.

VA is 6% Asian. So are you mad VaTeach is not aiming for 34% URM???

Wrong. Almost 70% white and 7% Asian. 20% Black. Negligible hispanics. What were you saying again?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/virginia-population

Virginia Demographics

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Virginia was:

White: 66.32%
Black or African American: 19.05%
Asian: 6.7%
Two or more races: 4.77%
Other race: 2.83%
Native American: 0.27%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.07%

Not PP you're responding to, but negligible Hispanics does not seem right.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Someone posted the race data. You would need to find the ethnicity data separately, which would be Hispanic/Non-Hispanic. You can be white and Hispanic, Black and Hispanic, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

Serious? Rejected with similar to above post? DS was Waitlisted, had 3.8W, 3 APs, 9 Honors, 1300 SAT, one service (though service close to his major-BIT) no sport no leadership, asian from NOVA. Toured twice, no contact.

In state, white DD, no hook, rigorous DC private school with no APs, etc., 3.0 GPA, 32 ACT, Waitlisted. Never visited. Surprised it wasn’t a rejection, honestly. Accepted at a top 40 school, so won’t stay on the WL. I think the essays were really good.

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

And I guess many of us don't think this should be happening.