BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country

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Anonymous wrote:The worst part of Covid is the restrictions. But this is only applicable for kids now. No one is making adults tests

We have no restrictions

If you take a sick day from work bc you have a cold is your work requiring you submit proof of negative test before you return to work? No adult I know has to do this. If you are an adult, it is up to you if you want to test or not. You have the ability to stay home for a day or two, not test then come back the day you are feeling better, maybe you had/have covid, maybe not. As an adult, if you feel heathy you are expected to be at work and no one is asking otherwise. No one is regulating adults in the workplace the way we are regulating kids at school and at camps. At least last school year they couldn’t. Every sniffle required a covid negative confirmation.

That is not a restriction that is a precaution. Even a cold generally does not last a day. Work should ask for a negative test. Good for them.

Literally no one is asking for a negative test. Not school or work.

Nearly every summer camp did this summer. Lots of kids missed out on summer camp of symptomatic covid or being a close contact and the camp not allowing them to attend.

Daycares and preschools are. Which, I honestly don't even care mind personally, but understand it is a huge burden for some.

Sadly if people cannot self regulate and will send in kids exposed or sick, it’s necessary.

If you make it too hard to follow the "rules" then people will work around the "rules." Working parents have been dealing with ridiculous and unsustainable quarantine policies for over 2 years now. If you're going to have to pull your kids out of daycare for 10-15 days if a family member tests positive for COVID, the natural thing to do is to not test for COVID.

If you want to see something different, fix the rules.

LOL I would do much better on my diet if it included eating cake and chips on the couch every night. Want me to be successful at my diet? Change the rules to include more dessert and snacks. There, problem solved. Oh wait, I won't lose any weight that way but at least I will be following a diet.

We have rules to stop the spread of COVID. It's hard, but we can do it.

I'm telling you that people would rather NOT lose their jobs. Sigh. You guys are never ever going to listen to the fact that this about keeping children fed and with a roof over their heads. People have limited sick leave. They can't quarantine constantly, and the current "rules" require this to happen. So no, the rules ARE too onerous in this case.

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I'm very worried.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

My father has no immune system at the moment due to cancer. Also due to cancer, he has to leave his home on a regular basis (weekly) for appointments, PT, OT, etc. Eventually he did get Covid (in an doctor’s office setting) but with vaccination + Paxlovid, the illness was manageable.

We are doing what we can to keep him safe, but at this stage of COVID, it is not the broader society’s job to do that.

I don't think that's what the PP was talking about. An earlier poster was talking about the societal cost of COVID caution and individual assessment of risk. I think that the PP was saying that when you have dealt with chronic health issues, your risk assessment looks different, as does your willingness to accept safety measures. It's easy to roll the dice when you are healthy. It's also easy to give up riskier activities when you are an adult in an acute phase of illness. What's incredibly difficult, especially for those of us who are parents and either have chronic health issues ourselves or have children with chronic health issues, is balancing acceptable risk with normal human need to socialize and live life. Trust me, if you've run yourself ragged scheduling and taking a child to multiple appointments every week for years on end, always staying positive to the point where you neglect your own health, testing when sick or exposed to COVID, and wearing a mask indoors feels like nothing compared to possibility of adding another health problem to the mix, even if the risk of that isn't great.

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Maybe our new normal is people don’t live as long as they used to. I’m ok with this, myself included.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm very worried.

People will come around. No one actually thinks we can keep living with masks, social distancing, quarantines, and other COVID-related policies. Things will keep getting more and more back to normal.

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I went the whole pandemic with no Covid. Almost two weeks ago, I got B5.a. I’ve never been so sick and it won’t end. I am a healthy person. I think this virus is going to be very different than our “new normal”.

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I'm healthy and used to walking six miles a day. I'm on day 10 and still testing positive, and more importantly, feeling sick. I keep thinking it has to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Time to move on from what?
We can’t just decide it’s over - especially when it’s surging.

Also, a genuine question: What does "moving on" look like? Do you do anything at all to avoid getting or spreading COVID?

No, you don’t. You can wear a mask if you want. But no one should have to and no one else should be subjected to testing. You live your life. If you get Covid, you recover at home and move on. You will likely recover without incident in a few days and be fine. And if you aren’t, you are the small minority. Of well. That is life

Perhaps hospitals test pre-op and on admission and they continue to masks…

But general population, schools, camp, work, nope. Stay home if you are unwell as before

I went the whole pandemic with no Covid. Almost two weeks ago, I got B5.a. I’ve never been so sick and it won’t end. I am a healthy person. I think this virus is going to be very different than our “new normal”.

how do you know which one you got?

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Time to move on from what?
We can’t just decide it’s over - especially when it’s surging.

Also, a genuine question: What does "moving on" look like? Do you do anything at all to avoid getting or spreading COVID?

No, you don’t. You can wear a mask if you want. But no one should have to and no one else should be subjected to testing. You live your life. If you get Covid, you recover at home and move on. You will likely recover without incident in a few days and be fine. And if you aren’t, you are the small minority. Of well. That is life

Perhaps hospitals test pre-op and on admission and they continue to masks…

But general population, schools, camp, work, nope. Stay home if you are unwell as before

I went the whole pandemic with no Covid. Almost two weeks ago, I got B5.a. I’ve never been so sick and it won’t end. I am a healthy person. I think this virus is going to be very different than our “new normal”.

how do you know which one you got?

Does it really matter? Do you want to be sick for weeks?

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

My father has no immune system at the moment due to cancer. Also due to cancer, he has to leave his home on a regular basis (weekly) for appointments, PT, OT, etc. Eventually he did get Covid (in an doctor’s office setting) but with vaccination + Paxlovid, the illness was manageable.

We are doing what we can to keep him safe, but at this stage of COVID, it is not the broader society’s job to do that.

I don't think that's what the PP was talking about. An earlier poster was talking about the societal cost of COVID caution and individual assessment of risk. I think that the PP was saying that when you have dealt with chronic health issues, your risk assessment looks different, as does your willingness to accept safety measures. It's easy to roll the dice when you are healthy. It's also easy to give up riskier activities when you are an adult in an acute phase of illness. What's incredibly difficult, especially for those of us who are parents and either have chronic health issues ourselves or have children with chronic health issues, is balancing acceptable risk with normal human need to socialize and live life. Trust me, if you've run yourself ragged scheduling and taking a child to multiple appointments every week for years on end, always staying positive to the point where you neglect your own health, testing when sick or exposed to COVID, and wearing a mask indoors feels like nothing compared to possibility of adding another health problem to the mix, even if the risk of that isn't great.

That posters follow up posts indicate otherwise.

Also I would be very careful to not presume what others are going through. I do have kids and my dad lives with us. This is his second round of cancer and we are dealing with brain damages and major mobility issues (cannot stand or walk). And just like his first round of cancer, pre-COVID, certain illnesses are dangerous at certain points of treatment. For those of us dealing with major illnesses pre-COVID, this is nothing new. It is not the responsibility of my neighbors, or the person next to me at the grocery store to keep my father safe. That is my responsibility, just like it was pre-COVID. And just like pre-COVID, it’s exhausting. But again, that is not everyone else’s problem at this point in the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

My father has no immune system at the moment due to cancer. Also due to cancer, he has to leave his home on a regular basis (weekly) for appointments, PT, OT, etc. Eventually he did get Covid (in an doctor’s office setting) but with vaccination + Paxlovid, the illness was manageable.

We are doing what we can to keep him safe, but at this stage of COVID, it is not the broader society’s job to do that.

I don't think that's what the PP was talking about. An earlier poster was talking about the societal cost of COVID caution and individual assessment of risk. I think that the PP was saying that when you have dealt with chronic health issues, your risk assessment looks different, as does your willingness to accept safety measures. It's easy to roll the dice when you are healthy. It's also easy to give up riskier activities when you are an adult in an acute phase of illness. What's incredibly difficult, especially for those of us who are parents and either have chronic health issues ourselves or have children with chronic health issues, is balancing acceptable risk with normal human need to socialize and live life. Trust me, if you've run yourself ragged scheduling and taking a child to multiple appointments every week for years on end, always staying positive to the point where you neglect your own health, testing when sick or exposed to COVID, and wearing a mask indoors feels like nothing compared to possibility of adding another health problem to the mix, even if the risk of that isn't great.

That posters follow up posts indicate otherwise.

Also I would be very careful to not presume what others are going through. I do have kids and my dad lives with us. This is his second round of cancer and we are dealing with brain damages and major mobility issues (cannot stand or walk). And just like his first round of cancer, pre-COVID, certain illnesses are dangerous at certain points of treatment. For those of us dealing with major illnesses pre-COVID, this is nothing new. It is not the responsibility of my neighbors, or the person next to me at the grocery store to keep my father safe. That is my responsibility, just like it was pre-COVID. And just like pre-COVID, it’s exhausting. But again, that is not everyone else’s problem at this point in the pandemic.

I feel sorry for you-maybe if they rest of society cooperated you wouldnt be so exhausted all the time! You shouldn’t have to just accept this.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

My father has no immune system at the moment due to cancer. Also due to cancer, he has to leave his home on a regular basis (weekly) for appointments, PT, OT, etc. Eventually he did get Covid (in an doctor’s office setting) but with vaccination + Paxlovid, the illness was manageable.

We are doing what we can to keep him safe, but at this stage of COVID, it is not the broader society’s job to do that.

I don't think that's what the PP was talking about. An earlier poster was talking about the societal cost of COVID caution and individual assessment of risk. I think that the PP was saying that when you have dealt with chronic health issues, your risk assessment looks different, as does your willingness to accept safety measures. It's easy to roll the dice when you are healthy. It's also easy to give up riskier activities when you are an adult in an acute phase of illness. What's incredibly difficult, especially for those of us who are parents and either have chronic health issues ourselves or have children with chronic health issues, is balancing acceptable risk with normal human need to socialize and live life. Trust me, if you've run yourself ragged scheduling and taking a child to multiple appointments every week for years on end, always staying positive to the point where you neglect your own health, testing when sick or exposed to COVID, and wearing a mask indoors feels like nothing compared to possibility of adding another health problem to the mix, even if the risk of that isn't great.

That posters follow up posts indicate otherwise.

Also I would be very careful to not presume what others are going through. I do have kids and my dad lives with us. This is his second round of cancer and we are dealing with brain damages and major mobility issues (cannot stand or walk). And just like his first round of cancer, pre-COVID, certain illnesses are dangerous at certain points of treatment. For those of us dealing with major illnesses pre-COVID, this is nothing new. It is not the responsibility of my neighbors, or the person next to me at the grocery store to keep my father safe. That is my responsibility, just like it was pre-COVID. And just like pre-COVID, it’s exhausting. But again, that is not everyone else’s problem at this point in the pandemic.

I'm sorry for what you and your father are going through. Do you let your kids have "normal" lives?

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

Completely agree. We have vaccines that are effective at preventing serious illnesses, prophylactics for high-risk individuals, and treatments for those that catch covid. Time to move on.

Time to move on from what?
We can’t just decide it’s over - especially when it’s surging.

Also, a genuine question: What does "moving on" look like? Do you do anything at all to avoid getting or spreading COVID?

No, you don’t. You can wear a mask if you want. But no one should have to and no one else should be subjected to testing. You live your life. If you get Covid, you recover at home and move on. You will likely recover without incident in a few days and be fine. And if you aren’t, you are the small minority. Of well. That is life

Perhaps hospitals test pre-op and on admission and they continue to masks…

But general population, schools, camp, work, nope. Stay home if you are unwell as before

I went the whole pandemic with no Covid. Almost two weeks ago, I got B5.a. I’ve never been so sick and it won’t end. I am a healthy person. I think this virus is going to be very different than our “new normal”.

how do you know which one you got?

I am assuming based on symptoms and timing. Only assuming.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

My father has no immune system at the moment due to cancer. Also due to cancer, he has to leave his home on a regular basis (weekly) for appointments, PT, OT, etc. Eventually he did get Covid (in an doctor’s office setting) but with vaccination + Paxlovid, the illness was manageable.

We are doing what we can to keep him safe, but at this stage of COVID, it is not the broader society’s job to do that.

I don't think that's what the PP was talking about. An earlier poster was talking about the societal cost of COVID caution and individual assessment of risk. I think that the PP was saying that when you have dealt with chronic health issues, your risk assessment looks different, as does your willingness to accept safety measures. It's easy to roll the dice when you are healthy. It's also easy to give up riskier activities when you are an adult in an acute phase of illness. What's incredibly difficult, especially for those of us who are parents and either have chronic health issues ourselves or have children with chronic health issues, is balancing acceptable risk with normal human need to socialize and live life. Trust me, if you've run yourself ragged scheduling and taking a child to multiple appointments every week for years on end, always staying positive to the point where you neglect your own health, testing when sick or exposed to COVID, and wearing a mask indoors feels like nothing compared to possibility of adding another health problem to the mix, even if the risk of that isn't great.

That posters follow up posts indicate otherwise.

Also I would be very careful to not presume what others are going through. I do have kids and my dad lives with us. This is his second round of cancer and we are dealing with brain damages and major mobility issues (cannot stand or walk). And just like his first round of cancer, pre-COVID, certain illnesses are dangerous at certain points of treatment. For those of us dealing with major illnesses pre-COVID, this is nothing new. It is not the responsibility of my neighbors, or the person next to me at the grocery store to keep my father safe. That is my responsibility, just like it was pre-COVID. And just like pre-COVID, it’s exhausting. But again, that is not everyone else’s problem at this point in the pandemic.

I feel sorry for you-maybe if they rest of society cooperated you wouldnt be so exhausted all the time! You shouldn’t have to just accept this.

Look, if society really cared about people like me or my dad, it’s not COVID restrictions that would make a difference. For people like me and my dad - for those who are truly sick, and their caregivers, we need more options for care. We need more than 30 ambulatory cab credits a year, because after that they are $100/trip. We need more than 10 approved PT sessions at a time. We need to not be rejected by every caregiving service because someone is easily deemed a fall risk. We need to not wait months for appointments (and COVID restrictions make this much worse).

For those of us out there dealing with truly immunocompromised patients, or are truly immunocompromised themselves, COVID restrictions made getting care horrendous. I would love if society cooperated with people like us but if you think donning a masks and imposing restrictions is the help we need, you are wrong. We can easily manage that part on our own.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

This is all really easy to say when you’ve never dealt with chronic illness or long term disability. Would be interesting to see what you would say if your good health (or your children’s God forbid) was messed up for life. As another poster says this is just dripping with arrogance, privilege and lack of humility.

My father has no immune system at the moment due to cancer. Also due to cancer, he has to leave his home on a regular basis (weekly) for appointments, PT, OT, etc. Eventually he did get Covid (in an doctor’s office setting) but with vaccination + Paxlovid, the illness was manageable.

We are doing what we can to keep him safe, but at this stage of COVID, it is not the broader society’s job to do that.

I don't think that's what the PP was talking about. An earlier poster was talking about the societal cost of COVID caution and individual assessment of risk. I think that the PP was saying that when you have dealt with chronic health issues, your risk assessment looks different, as does your willingness to accept safety measures. It's easy to roll the dice when you are healthy. It's also easy to give up riskier activities when you are an adult in an acute phase of illness. What's incredibly difficult, especially for those of us who are parents and either have chronic health issues ourselves or have children with chronic health issues, is balancing acceptable risk with normal human need to socialize and live life. Trust me, if you've run yourself ragged scheduling and taking a child to multiple appointments every week for years on end, always staying positive to the point where you neglect your own health, testing when sick or exposed to COVID, and wearing a mask indoors feels like nothing compared to possibility of adding another health problem to the mix, even if the risk of that isn't great.

That posters follow up posts indicate otherwise.

Also I would be very careful to not presume what others are going through. I do have kids and my dad lives with us. This is his second round of cancer and we are dealing with brain damages and major mobility issues (cannot stand or walk). And just like his first round of cancer, pre-COVID, certain illnesses are dangerous at certain points of treatment. For those of us dealing with major illnesses pre-COVID, this is nothing new. It is not the responsibility of my neighbors, or the person next to me at the grocery store to keep my father safe. That is my responsibility, just like it was pre-COVID. And just like pre-COVID, it’s exhausting. But again, that is not everyone else’s problem at this point in the pandemic.

I'm sorry for what you and your father are going through. Do you let your kids have "normal" lives?

Yes. They mask and test when/where appropriate, but they go out with friends, travel, etc. At certain points in treatment we are much more careful, just as we were pre-COVID (and this includes masking in my dad’s room).

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I just flew. No one had a mask including flight attendants. No one is going back to masks either. Enough is enough. I used to wear a mask and shield but I got vaccinated and still got Covid and finally decided that I would keep getting vaccinated as suggested and live life. I assume I will get it again but hook with vaccines will get another Covid case. Wearing a mask is not living life.