Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

[Anonymous]

This is truly so baffling. I think it would be a big news story even if it wasn’t Savannah because of how odd and mysterious it is. I can’t get past the fact that there doesn’t seem to be a vehicle involved. The guy even looked like he’s on foot. Why would he get out of a car and put a backpack on? Very strange. It makes me wonder if they took her somewhere on foot that is very close-by. Maybe got her to walk out at gunpoint. I wonder if there were any vacant homes near her. Maybe snowbirds who weren’t in town and someone hid her in that home. It would be easy to remove her from the area later in the day with normal traffic. But also, why??? I just can’t think of a scenario where anyone would be motivated to kidnap her without any serious attempt for a ransom.

[Anonymous]

Not sure if it has been talked about here, but someone on ig pointed out that the guy on the video has a very similar ring to the “neighbor” who lives 15 minutes away and inserted himself in the mix blaming her family. It is an awfully big coincidence but I don’t think he looks like the guy in the video otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the amount of resources being applied to this investigation

On the news this morning it was stated 400 people are searching. That’s crazy.

It’s beyond crazy. How many crimes aren’t being prevented or investigated and solved because of the resources being deployed to investigate the disappearance of an 84 year old woman who is likely died or was killed the not long after she disappeared.

It’s kind of gross really. This country has a serious case of misplaced priorities.

Have you considered that the kind of person who would kidnap an elderly person from her home is a very dangerous person who should be locked up?

No doubt but all kidnappers are dangerous and many others (namely children) are kidnapped every day and don’t get even half the attention or resource. Savannah knows who did this. The cops should take a look at her correspondence. This screams shakedown. She was probably asked for money prior to this and when the demands weren’t met, an extreme was taken. I believe based on her mannerisms and commentary in her videos she knows who did this.

All of your ASSumptions are completely gross. Leave this poor woman and her family alone.
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No, we should not leave them alone. The family should be the first suspect. You and the starry eyed sheriff are so in love with the family. Occam’s razor says the family did this

No…Occam’s razor says it was a stranger. For the family to be involved, there are a whole lot of circumstances that you would need to assume.

This. It’s not family or inheritance related bc family would just pretend she died in her sleep. There is no incentive to go through a kidnapping and the attention it brings if family. If it’s inheritance related, again, kidnapping makes no sense because the person is still assumed alive and there is no inheritance.

Pretend she died in her sleep how? They would need to suffocate her for that or poison her and that would show up on an autopsy. They’d get in trouble. Assuming this is about insurance policy, insurers demand autopsies when cause of death is unclear

Why do you think they would do an autopsy on a sickly 84 yr old?

Exactly. Autopsies are expensive and she had serious heart issues, limited mobility, and required medication to survive.

They’re not as expensive as paying out a policy and insurance companies will demand that or a post mortem if cause of death is unclear. She also had a pacemaker which would’ve recorded an elevated heart rate/suffocation. There’s no way she could have been killed quietly in her sleep. The kidnapping needed to happen so she was moved away from her phone (that was tracking her pacemakers /hearts activity). Her medication was not taken so we know the kidnapper did not care about keeping her alive and getting ransom. Whoever did this ensured all ducks were in a row: disabled the front door camera, no tire tracks, no dna, phone and medication still at home, no burglary, no sign of forced entry

I don’t think the pacemakers update continuously in that way. I think it updated periodically, so if she was killed after the last update and then moved out of range, it wouldn’t show.
I wish people would stop saying the thing about tire racks. The only way you get tire tracks on rock driveways is if you peel out with crazy accleratkon/turn. Nothing here is inconsistent with a burglary gone wrong. My guess is she got up suddenly hearing the person and either he hit her or she fell and broke her neck because she didn’t have her walker. No dna because the burglar had his hands and hair covered.

You don’t bring a full backpack to a burglary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is truly so baffling. I think it would be a big news story even if it wasn’t Savannah because of how odd and mysterious it is. I can’t get past the fact that there doesn’t seem to be a vehicle involved. The guy even looked like he’s on foot. Why would he get out of a car and put a backpack on? Very strange. It makes me wonder if they took her somewhere on foot that is very close-by. Maybe got her to walk out at gunpoint. I wonder if there were any vacant homes near her. Maybe snowbirds who weren’t in town and someone hid her in that home. It would be easy to remove her from the area later in the day with normal traffic. But also, why??? I just can’t think of a scenario where anyone would be motivated to kidnap her without any serious attempt for a ransom.

Either

1) random kidnapping,
2) random murder
3) non random murder to send a message to the family
4) non-random abduction to extort the family but nancy had a medical episode and died, so there was no credible ransom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is truly so baffling. I think it would be a big news story even if it wasn’t Savannah because of how odd and mysterious it is. I can’t get past the fact that there doesn’t seem to be a vehicle involved. The guy even looked like he’s on foot. Why would he get out of a car and put a backpack on? Very strange. It makes me wonder if they took her somewhere on foot that is very close-by. Maybe got her to walk out at gunpoint. I wonder if there were any vacant homes near her. Maybe snowbirds who weren’t in town and someone hid her in that home. It would be easy to remove her from the area later in the day with normal traffic. But also, why??? I just can’t think of a scenario where anyone would be motivated to kidnap her without any serious attempt for a ransom.

Either

1) random kidnapping,
2) random murder
3) non random murder to send a message to the family
4) non-random abduction to extort the family but nancy had a medical episode and died, so there was no credible ransom.

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[Anonymous]

A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House is worth plenty. Land too.

Nobody would have her kidnapped to get the house. The house still belongs to her right now, so it can’t be sold. Plus it’s an active crime scene and will be for a while. And it’s all over the news and notorious.

Her inheritance is going somewhere and it’s not to Savannah

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:House is worth plenty. Land too.

Nobody would have her kidnapped to get the house. The house still belongs to her right now, so it can’t be sold. Plus it’s an active crime scene and will be for a while. And it’s all over the news and notorious.

Her inheritance is going somewhere and it’s not to Savannah

It may be distributed evenly between all 3 kids. People i know with one wealthy kid still do that.

Stop insinuating her kids killed her. It's cruel and there is zero evidence.

[Anonymous]

Nancy used a walker and walking cane.
She couldn’t walk more than 50 feet without one.

Was the walker or cane missing from the house?

[Anonymous]

It seems this case is going colder by the day.

At first I was addicted to this story to see if her Mother was found yet.

However it has been three weeks and not much progress has been made in the case.

I am wondering if it will ever be solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

You cannot be serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems this case is going colder by the day.

At first I was addicted to this story to see if her Mother was found yet.

However it has been three weeks and not much progress has been made in the case.

I am wondering if it will ever be solved.

This.