Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

Sharing another gifted Atlantic article that will probably be too long for blood libel-endorsing PPs' brainwashed zombie attention spans:

Listen to What They’re Chanting
A close look at the words being shouted at protests on campuses across the country reveals why some see the pro-Palestinian cause as so threatening.

By Judith Shulevitz


https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-chants/678321/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_MnocJ8N2Est_Q-pcQusmqc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sharing another gifted Atlantic article that will probably be too long for blood libel-endorsing PPs' brainwashed zombie attention spans:

Listen to What They’re Chanting
A close look at the words being shouted at protests on campuses across the country reveals why some see the pro-Palestinian cause as so threatening.

By Judith Shulevitz


https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-chants/678321/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_MnocJ8N2Est_Q-pcQusmqc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Also, this CNN article nailed it:

Opinion: The antisemitic lie at the heart of too many campus protests
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
9 minute read
Published 12:24 PM EDT, Tue May 7, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/opinions/columbia-university-israel-campus-protests-antisemitism-ghitis/index.html

But I don't expect most posters to submit to a 9-minute read... prove me wrong, guys?

[Anonymous]

Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

[Anonymous]

look at the language these people are using

this should chill everyone to the bone. as a jew, it chills me to the bone.

also, this person's bio reads: "Trying to find my voice again after years of homelessness"

so perhaps consider whether the people who are supporting this kind of thing are the sorts of people you want to be following - or are very troubled people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sharing another gifted Atlantic article that will probably be too long for blood libel-endorsing PPs' brainwashed zombie attention spans:

Listen to What They’re Chanting
A close look at the words being shouted at protests on campuses across the country reveals why some see the pro-Palestinian cause as so threatening.

By Judith Shulevitz


https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-chants/678321/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_MnocJ8N2Est_Q-pcQusmqc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Also, this CNN article nailed it:

Opinion: The antisemitic lie at the heart of too many campus protests
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
9 minute read
Published 12:24 PM EDT, Tue May 7, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/opinions/columbia-university-israel-campus-protests-antisemitism-ghitis/index.html

But I don't expect most posters to submit to a 9-minute read... prove me wrong, guys?

I read it. Everything in it is something I've read before. It did not change my mind. We shouldn't use the word "genocide" in relation to the Palestinians. Fine. I've never used the word personally. Both sides are not acting in good faith and both sides are being failed by their leaders. I just don't believe more children should die. I don't think that makes me an anti-semite or pro-Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:look at the language these people are using

this should chill everyone to the bone. as a jew, it chills me to the bone.

also, this person's bio reads: "Trying to find my voice again after years of homelessness"

so perhaps consider whether the people who are supporting this kind of thing are the sorts of people you want to be following - or are very troubled people

It was only a handful of students, media is intent on milking this issue for the sake of ratings and money. Seinfeld had every right to be there, kids also had the right to walk out. In my mind, both parties are okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:look at the language these people are using

this should chill everyone to the bone. as a jew, it chills me to the bone.

also, this person's bio reads: "Trying to find my voice again after years of homelessness"

so perhaps consider whether the people who are supporting this kind of thing are the sorts of people you want to be following - or are very troubled people

Didn’t listen, but if threatening language was used, that’s unproductive and not acceptable, certainly in that forum.

As far as a person being homeless, I don’t get your nexus about them being “troubled” and seemingly insinuating that they should be maligned or deprived of a voice because of their homelessness.

Since they are (or were) homeless, people should not consider their views? Wow, that is not a good look, and really, it’s way worse of a look than actually being homeless.

[Anonymous]

STOP the killing. No one cares what anti or pro anyone is. Just stop!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

Your last two statements are very much applicable to these protestors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

Your last two statements are very much applicable to these protestors.

I wouldn’t disagree that both Israelis and the Palestinians have credibility problems to work on. For reasons related to the power imbalance, the Israeli credibility problems are much more concerning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

Your last two statements are very much applicable to these protestors.

I wouldn’t disagree that both Israelis and the Palestinians have credibility problems to work on. For reasons related to the power imbalance, the Israeli credibility problems are much more concerning.

The Middle East has been warring and experiencing power struggles for centuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:look at the language these people are using

this should chill everyone to the bone. as a jew, it chills me to the bone.

also, this person's bio reads: "Trying to find my voice again after years of homelessness"

so perhaps consider whether the people who are supporting this kind of thing are the sorts of people you want to be following - or are very troubled people

Didn’t listen, but if threatening language was used, that’s unproductive and not acceptable, certainly in that forum.

As far as a person being homeless, I don’t get your nexus about them being “troubled” and seemingly insinuating that they should be maligned or deprived of a voice because of their homelessness.

Since they are (or were) homeless, people should not consider their views? Wow, that is not a good look, and really, it’s way worse of a look than actually being homeless.

of course not. listen to whomever you want to listen to. i'd say someone using the angsty, emo "trying to find my voice after years of being homeless" is self-identifying as a troubled soul. them saying that "zionists are being driven out of every place where they currently feel safe and welcome" is worse.

i hope we're past pretending that when people say "zionists" they don't mean "jews"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:STOP the killing. No one cares what anti or pro anyone is. Just stop!

This. The rest is just noise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sharing another gifted Atlantic article that will probably be too long for blood libel-endorsing PPs' brainwashed zombie attention spans:

Listen to What They’re Chanting
A close look at the words being shouted at protests on campuses across the country reveals why some see the pro-Palestinian cause as so threatening.

By Judith Shulevitz


https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-chants/678321/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_MnocJ8N2Est_Q-pcQusmqc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Also, this CNN article nailed it:

Opinion: The antisemitic lie at the heart of too many campus protests
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
9 minute read
Published 12:24 PM EDT, Tue May 7, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/opinions/columbia-university-israel-campus-protests-antisemitism-ghitis/index.html

But I don't expect most posters to submit to a 9-minute read... prove me wrong, guys?

I read it. Everything in it is something I've read before. It did not change my mind. We shouldn't use the word "genocide" in relation to the Palestinians. Fine. I've never used the word personally. Both sides are not acting in good faith and both sides are being failed by their leaders. I just don't believe more children should die. I don't think that makes me an anti-semite or pro-Hamas.

It does make you pro-Hamas because if Hamas is not defeated soundly the violence against both Jews and Gazan human shields will continue. Put your pressure where it belongs. "Ceasefire" doesn't actually mean peace. It means capitulation to terrorists and a license for them to continue to their program of death for anyone who stands in the way of their quest for dominance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:STOP the killing. No one cares what anti or pro anyone is. Just stop!

"The killing" you are probably referencing is a defensive war started in response to a massacre. If you stop pursuing the people who massacred your people and who swear to do it again and again, that doesn't actually stop the killing.

And if you are telling Jews we have no right to defend ourselves, there really is a word for you.