Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's weird to me that he did this to clear his name for his kids, yet the second the trial was over he went to London, instead of to spend time with his kids.


Don’t his kids, who are in their twenties, live in london?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Reading about the trial helped me realize that my mother also has histrionic personality disorder.
The thing about relationships with people like this is - you gotta get out, end it ASAP. The damage inflicted to spouse and children can be irreparable. My mother was a human wrecking ball, she devoted her life to wrecking our relationship with our father. Yet she stayed married to him long after we all left the nest. There is no positive outcome, just a bunch of dysfunctional people in a dysfunctional family.
I really don't understand why people with means wouldn't just end it immediately when the red flag is billowing in your face.
Except that somewhere deep down they actually need this ugliness day to day.


they both claimed to have loved each other but they were jealous of each other; had too many drugs;
big age difference; problems with JD's children; JD "helping" (controlling?) AH's career;
infidelity... a soap opera of problems that created all kinds of wounds- physical and psychological
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's weird to me that he did this to clear his name for his kids, yet the second the trial was over he went to London, instead of to spend time with his kids.


None of this was done for his kids.
Anonymous

Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.

the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.

He didn’t have to. It’s all in the audio clips.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.

No, but most women wouldn't want to become known for displaying the kinds of behaviors with which she is now associated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.

I don't think he had any intention of publicly accusing her of abuse while they were living together, so he was not focused on collecting evidence. And the trial is not about whether he was abused but whether AH defamed him by lying about the violence he had inflicted upon her so his team focused on bringing forth inconsistencies in her testimony.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.


I don't think he had any intention of publicly accusing her of abuse while they were living together, so he was not focused on collecting evidence. And the trial is not about whether he was abused but whether AH defamed him by lying about the violence he had inflicted upon her so his team focused on bringing forth inconsistencies in her testimony.



on paper, it was a defamation case- in the closing, CV famously said: ' there is an abuser in the court room but it is not JD and there is a victim in the court room but it is not AH,' so here we are, many of us anyway, down this rabbit hole of who is virtuous and who is not
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's weird to me that he did this to clear his name for his kids, yet the second the trial was over he went to London, instead of to spend time with his kids.


Lol! They are grown up and one lives in Europe and one in la. They are minor children waiting for daddy to come home from trial.

You also have zero clue when he’s seen his kids. Literally zero.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's weird to me that he did this to clear his name for his kids, yet the second the trial was over he went to London, instead of to spend time with his kids.


None of this was done for his kids.

The worst thing out of this is that my college age DD just told me that she supports JD! She is full of vitriol towards AH and why? Because she gets her news from the YTU, and we have a young woman exposed to opinions of nasty people and all her friends that are young women too are cheering for the abusive narcissist against the rights of women!
She was his supply, and she refused to take it and gave it back. That is her sin, he is abusing her still. Let us remember who started all the trials. Who is smirking like a looney narc. Is she perfect? No. And the world is using the same Othering of women used for centuries, where if we are not docile and take abuse, we are irrational, histrionic, nasty. To this day, haunted houses show tours in the South where the evil 13 year old slave seduced her master and the mistress punished her, and then she was killed for her sins!! To this day many blame an innocent child for being raped.
I worked with one, had to change jobs, he did the same exact thing. I would say, Mike said this, and I had notes, and he would say, in front of all the staff, I never said that, I never did that. Wanted me to write a report about a missing document that I took somewhere... and when I asked to see the dates I was on vacation the whole week! I was lucky to run away, but he is till running a smear campaign against me.
Anonymous
He was in London for a gig
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.


I don't think he had any intention of publicly accusing her of abuse while they were living together, so he was not focused on collecting evidence. And the trial is not about whether he was abused but whether AH defamed him by lying about the violence he had inflicted upon her so his team focused on bringing forth inconsistencies in her testimony.



on paper, it was a defamation case- in the closing, CV famously said: ' there is an abuser in the court room but it is not JD and there is a victim in the court room but it is not AH,' so here we are, many of us anyway, down this rabbit hole of who is virtuous and who is not

Lawyer here: you can’t answer the defamation case without determining if he’s an abuser. That’s the crux of most of the case: is truth a defense to what she said. Her abuse is relevant because she admits in an audiotape to go ahead and cry that you’re an abused man to the public and see who believes you. Therefore, both his and her abuse are major facts in this case the jury needs to untangle. (Otherwise, her abuse is not relevant.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.


I don't think he had any intention of publicly accusing her of abuse while they were living together, so he was not focused on collecting evidence. And the trial is not about whether he was abused but whether AH defamed him by lying about the violence he had inflicted upon her so his team focused on bringing forth inconsistencies in her testimony.



on paper, it was a defamation case- in the closing, CV famously said: ' there is an abuser in the court room but it is not JD and there is a victim in the court room but it is not AH,' so here we are, many of us anyway, down this rabbit hole of who is virtuous and who is not

She also spent like 90% of her closing argument about AH's lies/inconsistencies. Attorneys are allowed to extrapolate in their closing, and I guess both sides did. Rottenborn talked about 1st amendment rights when the trial was never about the 1st amendment
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.
Except for the fact that she talks about hitting him in recorded statements?!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah and who is going to believe him with the #metoo movement in full swing? He was presumed guilty until proven innocent. She took advantage of that movement for her own gain. Bringing his case with all the evidence of her lies and inconsistencies to the public allowed him to let them know his side of the story. Nobody would have believed him with just an Op ed.


the reality is that if you hold JD to the "woman's evidence standard," where does he come out?
Did he call the police and report her? No.
Does he have medical reports? ... only for AUS and those reports say that he injured himself and he was impaired...
Does he have pictures? one on the Orient Express....
Did he tell his therapists that AH was abusing him? No.

so under a strict evidence standard all JD has done is show inconsistencies in AH's testimony- he has not
made a great case for himself as a victim IMO.

Except for the fact that she talks about hitting him in recorded statements?!


Yeah, that's the bit I keep coming back to. The videos of him demonstrate someone with anger issues who should be dumped; probably emotionally abusive too. But that audio recording of her admitting to physically abusing him AND taunting him about not being believed makes me sick.
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