When are Herndon Middle and Herndon High going to get a break?!??

[Anonymous]

An excellent question. I will answer if you answer the ones I already posed.

Just an FYI, PP. I am 18:12--I answered your question, but I am not the PP to whom you made this response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Heck with 99%. 25 to 30% FARMS is manageable. All ES' in Herndon are now at or above 45% and that has quite an impact in the way of expectations and offerings. When you get to the middle school level, there is a big difference in what HMS offers after school (county paid for activities) compared to Carson. I love hearing about all the great things Carson and Longfellow students are doing and the math and science competitions they're winning. Guess what? They're not offered where we are or other poor schools!

I am not familiar with Longfellow, but Carson sends more kids to TJ than any other school. The afterschool activities are likely driven by that--not money. The parents want their kids to have those activities. I think it's doubtful too many other middle schools offer as much. A lot of this could be helped by reducing the AAP centers.

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heck with 99%. 25 to 30% FARMS is manageable. All ES' in Herndon are now at or above 45% and that has quite an impact in the way of expectations and offerings. When you get to the middle school level, there is a big difference in what HMS offers after school (county paid for activities) compared to Carson. I love hearing about all the great things Carson and Longfellow students are doing and the math and science competitions they're winning. Guess what? They're not offered where we are or other poor schools!

I am not familiar with Longfellow, but Carson sends more kids to TJ than any other school. The afterschool activities are likely driven by that--not money. The parents want their kids to have those activities. I think it's doubtful too many other middle schools offer as much. A lot of this could be helped by reducing the AAP centers.

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

https://www.jlab.org/news/releases/rachel-carson-wins-2018-virginia-middle-school-science-bowl

I'm not very familiar with Science Olympiad (no interest at my house, even if it is available), but, from the photo in the link, it appears to me that parents must be the coaches. Perhaps, you could volunteer to start a program at your school?

[Anonymous]

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

Many afterschool activities require fees. I don't think you will find afterschool activities paid for by the county at one school and not at another. I'm willing to be that Science Olympiad requires entrance fees, etc. Maybe someone on this forum could correct me.

[Anonymous]

https://herndonms.fcps.edu/activities/night-hawk-afterschool-program

Looks to me like there are quite a few afterschool opportunities.

If you are interested in Science Olympiad, here's what you need to do:

https://www.soinc.org/join/start-team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Just took this from another thread from another poster:

In 2002-2003 Herndon's F/R lunch rate was 13.8%. In 2017-2018 it was 39.6%. A change of 25.8%.

In 2002-2003 Langley's F/R lunch rate was 0.7%. In 2017-2018 it was 1.9%. A change of 1.2%.

Gap between the two schools in 2002-2003 - 13.1%. Gap in 2017-2018 - 37.7%.

Do you think this is fair? Honestly? What do you honestly think about these statistics and what do you think (if anything) FCPS should do about it?

Where in the Golden Rule of Life does it say that schools are supposed to have the same percentages of FARMS kids?

Is it fair that all the schools weren't renovated at the same time?
Is it fair that some kids have two married parents and others are children of divorce?
Is it fair that some kids eat home-cooking most nights and others eat out of the microwave?
Is it fair that some kids grew up in homes with over a hundred books and others had ten?

I don't think FCPS needs to do anything about some schools having more FARMS students than others.

It doesn't say that in the Golden Rule of life but we are all One Fairfax. People are tired of the rich changing all the rules to their benefit (like changing zoning so that no apartments are in your boundaries) while the rest of us have to deal the problems.

We are also one state, one country, one world. Langley is One School. Herndon is One School. Anyone can come up with a slogan, it doesn't mean everyone has to interpret it in the same manner.

If the issue is DACA, as some have said, that's an issue to take up with the federal government, and the local one if there are policies that encourage a concentration, policies that other localities don't have. What makes Herndon (and Annandale) a magnet? Why is the newly-arrived, foreign-born, low income population less drawn to Sterling and Reston and Falls Church?

If the issue is DACA, are the people most affected willing to *publicly* oppose it and restrict further unskilled immigration? Are they willing to show up to town hall meetings, write their elected representatives, protest, etc?

If not, why would those not directly affected encourage the "problems" as you call them, to spread to their area? If DACA and immigration are problems then we could simply expect the issue to continue to grow, which solves nothing longterm. If ten years from now Langley is 20% FARMS and Herndon jumps to 82%, what will have been achieved?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heck with 99%. 25 to 30% FARMS is manageable. All ES' in Herndon are now at or above 45% and that has quite an impact in the way of expectations and offerings. When you get to the middle school level, there is a big difference in what HMS offers after school (county paid for activities) compared to Carson. I love hearing about all the great things Carson and Longfellow students are doing and the math and science competitions they're winning. Guess what? They're not offered where we are or other poor schools!

I am not familiar with Longfellow, but Carson sends more kids to TJ than any other school. The afterschool activities are likely driven by that--not money. The parents want their kids to have those activities. I think it's doubtful too many other middle schools offer as much. A lot of this could be helped by reducing the AAP centers.

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

Parents with the funds will simply fund it themselves.
As far as I know all the advisors (at least at high school level) are teachers who take on a club or two (and I believe they get extra compensation for doing so). It's up to parents to pay club fees and travel expenses, and some of the clubs of course do some fundraising for themselves. I can't imagine that schools with umc populations have every club in existence. Surely there are variations school to school and year to year.

If FCPS cuts compensation for club advisors from ALL schools, the parents with funds will simply pay the advisors directly and the show will go on. it would be equitable, as no schools will receive funds from FCPS. It will not be equal, because some parents have more money than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Herndon middle school parents and teachers: how did banning cell phones work out this year? Did all students keep their cell phones in their lockers? And then how did students do online work if not enough laptops for all?

Laptops are one per two students. The cell phone ban was the best thing that happened at HMS (and any middle school in my opinion!)

Thank you. I asked because I've heard other middle schools may also be banning cell phones. I think it's a great idea. Not all FCPS middle schools have a laptop for every two students, though.

[Anonymous]

We are also one state, one country, one world. Langley is One School. Herndon is One School. Anyone can come up with a slogan, it doesn't mean everyone has to interpret it in the same manner.

If the issue is DACA, as some have said, that's an issue to take up with the federal government, and the local one if there are policies that encourage a concentration, policies that other localities don't have. What makes Herndon (and Annandale) a magnet? Why is the newly-arrived, foreign-born, low income population less drawn to Sterling and Reston and Falls Church?

If the issue is DACA, are the people most affected willing to *publicly* oppose it and restrict further unskilled immigration? Are they willing to show up to town hall meetings, write their elected representatives, protest, etc?

If not, why would those not directly affected encourage the "problems" as you call them, to spread to their area? If DACA and immigration are problems then we could simply expect the issue to continue to grow, which solves nothing longterm. If ten years from now Langley is 20% FARMS and Herndon jumps to 82%, what will have been achieved?

Please note that the Va Delegate from Herndon is encouraging locals to be more welcoming to the flow from the border. just read his tweets.

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As we are seeing the inhumane treatment of immigrants by this administration, we have to remember that we have the power to do something in Virginia. We could join other states who are welcoming immigrants and refusing to be complicit. But only if we vote for it in November.

5:50 AM - 25 Jun 2019

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We are also one state, one country, one world. Langley is One School. Herndon is One School. Anyone can come up with a slogan, it doesn't mean everyone has to interpret it in the same manner.

If the issue is DACA, as some have said, that's an issue to take up with the federal government, and the local one if there are policies that encourage a concentration, policies that other localities don't have. What makes Herndon (and Annandale) a magnet? Why is the newly-arrived, foreign-born, low income population less drawn to Sterling and Reston and Falls Church?

If the issue is DACA, are the people most affected willing to *publicly* oppose it and restrict further unskilled immigration? Are they willing to show up to town hall meetings, write their elected representatives, protest, etc?

If not, why would those not directly affected encourage the "problems" as you call them, to spread to their area? If DACA and immigration are problems then we could simply expect the issue to continue to grow, which solves nothing longterm. If ten years from now Langley is 20% FARMS and Herndon jumps to 82%, what will have been achieved?

Please note that the Va Delegate from Herndon is encouraging locals to be more welcoming to the flow from the border. just read his tweets.

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As we are seeing the inhumane treatment of immigrants by this administration, we have to remember that we have the power to do something in Virginia. We could join other states who are welcoming immigrants and refusing to be complicit. But only if we vote for it in November.

5:50 AM - 25 Jun 2019

Someone needs to tell him that we are already welcoming immigrants.........

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know the stats of how many new, undocumented students entered into FCPS this past year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heck with 99%. 25 to 30% FARMS is manageable. All ES' in Herndon are now at or above 45% and that has quite an impact in the way of expectations and offerings. When you get to the middle school level, there is a big difference in what HMS offers after school (county paid for activities) compared to Carson. I love hearing about all the great things Carson and Longfellow students are doing and the math and science competitions they're winning. Guess what? They're not offered where we are or other poor schools!

I am not familiar with Longfellow, but Carson sends more kids to TJ than any other school. The afterschool activities are likely driven by that--not money. The parents want their kids to have those activities. I think it's doubtful too many other middle schools offer as much. A lot of this could be helped by reducing the AAP centers.

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

NP. The “extra” activities at schools like Carson and Longfellow are primarily parent-driven and supported. FCPS spends far more per pupil on the kids in the Herndon pyramid. And it’s expanding Herndon HS to accommodate 2500 kids at the same time it’s sticking more kids at McLean in trailers and refusing to address the overcrowding there by moving kids to Langley, since the incompetent School Board members can’t figure out if that would be kosher under One Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the stats of how many new, undocumented students entered into FCPS this past year?

I posted this earlier. I don't know how many entered FCPS, but there have been 818 unaccompanied minors sent to Fairfax County this fiscal year (Oct-May)
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/resource/unaccompanied-alien-children-released-to-sponsors-by-county

This link just addressed those that are unaccompanied. I would guess there are additional undocumented kids who have come with parents, as well.

That seems like a lot to me. I would think, that accept for very young kids, that most have enrolled in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heck with 99%. 25 to 30% FARMS is manageable. All ES' in Herndon are now at or above 45% and that has quite an impact in the way of expectations and offerings. When you get to the middle school level, there is a big difference in what HMS offers after school (county paid for activities) compared to Carson. I love hearing about all the great things Carson and Longfellow students are doing and the math and science competitions they're winning. Guess what? They're not offered where we are or other poor schools!

I am not familiar with Longfellow, but Carson sends more kids to TJ than any other school. The afterschool activities are likely driven by that--not money. The parents want their kids to have those activities. I think it's doubtful too many other middle schools offer as much. A lot of this could be helped by reducing the AAP centers.

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

https://www.jlab.org/news/releases/rachel-carson-wins-2018-virginia-middle-school-science-bowl

I'm not very familiar with Science Olympiad (no interest at my house, even if it is available), but, from the photo in the link, it appears to me that parents must be the coaches. Perhaps, you could volunteer to start a program at your school?

Yes, I have volunteered to start a similar program but it was not well received due to lack of critical mass and it's often viewed as elitist when there are so many kids who don't have the resources at home to help. I know of another parent at another high farms school who was trying to get SO going, but there just wasn't critical mass there as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heck with 99%. 25 to 30% FARMS is manageable. All ES' in Herndon are now at or above 45% and that has quite an impact in the way of expectations and offerings. When you get to the middle school level, there is a big difference in what HMS offers after school (county paid for activities) compared to Carson. I love hearing about all the great things Carson and Longfellow students are doing and the math and science competitions they're winning. Guess what? They're not offered where we are or other poor schools!

I am not familiar with Longfellow, but Carson sends more kids to TJ than any other school. The afterschool activities are likely driven by that--not money. The parents want their kids to have those activities. I think it's doubtful too many other middle schools offer as much. A lot of this could be helped by reducing the AAP centers.

Yes, I agree that families drive the desire for TJ, but these extras should not be paid for by county tax payers if they are not offered uniformly. I'm talking about the middle school level where after school activities are paid for by the county. Why should some schools school have Math Counts and Science Olympiad when others don't. If everyone doesn't get it, then no one should. Say good bye to MS clubs, ES homework (why should some teachers spend time grading when others don't?), science fairs, etc. How's that for equity?

https://www.jlab.org/news/releases/rachel-carson-wins-2018-virginia-middle-school-science-bowl

I'm not very familiar with Science Olympiad (no interest at my house, even if it is available), but, from the photo in the link, it appears to me that parents must be the coaches. Perhaps, you could volunteer to start a program at your school?

Yes, I have volunteered to start a similar program but it was not well received due to lack of critical mass and it's often viewed as elitist when there are so many kids who don't have the resources at home to help. I know of another parent at another high farms school who was trying to get SO going, but there just wasn't critical mass there as well.

It's not very nice for some people to think that you shouldn't have a club because everyone can't participate.

Anyway.

Is there a way to start a club outside of school?

If there aren't enough at your school, perhaps you could explore starting a group and inviting local homeschoolers. You may be able to work out a time good for all involved to meet.