Ohio heartbeat law

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Another patronizing view of women.

That statement is not at all patronizing. It would be amazingly cold-hearted to have no regrets.

I truly don't know why I bother, but I want to speak to this.

I had an abortion. I do not regret it for a second. I didn't regret it when I had it, and I don't regret it several years later. I regret that my birth control failed, but that was not my fault or something I could do anything about. I was sad that I was in the position at all, because trust me when I say that literally no one who has an abortion does it for fun. It's not a fun procedure. It's not something I enjoyed. But you know what? The decision WASN'T hard for me. It was actually really, really easy. Deciding to have a baby at the time that I had the abortion would have been a really hard decision.

I don't think that I'm a cold-hearted person. I decided to have an abortion as soon as I found out I was pregnant, and I never thought of that pregnancy as turning into a baby. I also had 3 miscarriages before the abortion, and I think that experience taught me that early pregnancy is tenuous and not to get attached to the idea of a baby until it was clear that the pregnancy was viable. When I got pregnant unintentionally after my first husband left me following the miscarriages (an actually cold-hearted thing to do), I never once thought of the pregnancy as viable.

I understand if that does not make sense to you, but please understand that when you say "amazingly cold-hearted" you have NO idea what people go through to come to the decision they come to. You might think that you know and can generalize, but you can't generalize about my coldness of heart anymore than I can generalize about yours.

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So what did the Democrats do that caused the people to throw them out of the presidency, control of the Senate, control of the House, loss of 18 governorships since 2008, loss of over 900 seats in the state legislatures?

It had to be more than mere sepsis for this magnitude of rejection!

They committed the cardinal sin of assuming people were ready to see women as equals. Hence why we have an incompetent, corrupt twitter monster reality show host about to debase the White House, and not Hillary Rodham Clinton handling an intelligent transition. It's also why in 2016 we're still debating whether or not women should be able to control their own bodies.

A little too simplistic an explanation for why Hillary lost.

She was a lousy campaigner, awful judgement, dishonest, lacking in core beliefs ........ and even white women preferred the even more flawed opponent over her. Millennials - including women - did not come out to vote for her in sufficient numbers. Heck, even Obama who was an unknown when he ran, clobbered her in 2008.

Besides, your explanation does not address why the states, the House and the Senate have been dominated by Republicans since 2008.

But today is the 30 day anniversary of when the first female nominee of a major party was thrashed in the election by a "twitter monster reality show host"! Far from breaking any glass ceiling, she actually lost 30 states and that twitter monster won 306 electoral college votes!

I am not a Republican - and certainly did not vote for Trump - but I'd say the odds are the first female president will likely be a Republican.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Another patronizing view of women.

That statement is not at all patronizing. It would be amazingly cold-hearted to have no regrets.

I truly don't know why I bother, but I want to speak to this.

I had an abortion. I do not regret it for a second. I didn't regret it when I had it, and I don't regret it several years later. I regret that my birth control failed, but that was not my fault or something I could do anything about. I was sad that I was in the position at all, because trust me when I say that literally no one who has an abortion does it for fun. It's not a fun procedure. It's not something I enjoyed. But you know what? The decision WASN'T hard for me. It was actually really, really easy. Deciding to have a baby at the time that I had the abortion would have been a really hard decision.

I don't think that I'm a cold-hearted person. I decided to have an abortion as soon as I found out I was pregnant, and I never thought of that pregnancy as turning into a baby. I also had 3 miscarriages before the abortion, and I think that experience taught me that early pregnancy is tenuous and not to get attached to the idea of a baby until it was clear that the pregnancy was viable. When I got pregnant unintentionally after my first husband left me following the miscarriages (an actually cold-hearted thing to do), I never once thought of the pregnancy as viable.

I understand if that does not make sense to you, but please understand that when you say "amazingly cold-hearted" you have NO idea what people go through to come to the decision they come to. You might think that you know and can generalize, but you can't generalize about my coldness of heart anymore than I can generalize about yours.

PP here. I appreciate your heartfelt and sincere response. It's not that I'm sitting in judgment or thinking that a pregnancy should never be terminated. Having faced some very difficult choices in life, however, I just can't imagine having no regrets at all about that kind of decision.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my pregnancy, just because they knew it'd be inconvenient timing for me.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

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I may regret my decision but I will never regret my freedom to make it on my own.

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Anonymous wrote:I may regret my decision but I will never regret my freedom to make it on my own.

News Flash:
The world doesn't revolve around you.
You took a life. Hope no one takes yours.

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Anonymous wrote:I may regret my decision but I will never regret my freedom to make it on my own.

News Flash:
The world doesn't revolve around you.
You took a life. Hope no one takes yours.

Her world does though. Her body. Her decision. Make your own decisions and grant other women the respect to make their own.

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Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

So miscarriage that can't be explained, that's negligence then? Shame on those women too?

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

Then why are so many pro-life people also supportive of the death penalty? Or allow an exception for rape and incest?

Seriously asking.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

So miscarriage that can't be explained, that's negligence then? Shame on those women too?

In what world is a miscarriage the same as an abortion? It's not.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

So miscarriage that can't be explained, that's negligence then? Shame on those women too?

When you take a life, that's not a miscarriage. Silly.