Ohio heartbeat law

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

You were "surprised"? Perhaps you need to focus yourself on getting to know your best friends a little better.

Lots of people are "pro-choice" in theory, but when push comes to shove, they're outraged when you want to actually take that little tiny life.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

You were "surprised"? Perhaps you need to focus yourself on getting to know your best friends a little better.

Lots of people are "pro-choice" in theory, but when push comes to shove, they're outraged when you want to actually take that little tiny life.

And a lot of people are "pro-life" in theory but are the first in line to get an abortion when they're faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Just ask anyone who works at an abortion clinic.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

You were "surprised"? Perhaps you need to focus yourself on getting to know your best friends a little better.

Lots of people are "pro-choice" in theory, but when push comes to shove, they're outraged when you want to actually take that little tiny life.

And a lot of people are "pro-life" in theory but are the first in line to get an abortion when they're faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Just ask anyone who works at an abortion clinic.

Why would I consider an abortionist to care about saying or doing the right thing? I wouldn't. They have no ethical code of conduct.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my pregnancy, just because they knew it'd be inconvenient timing for me.

And so your experience means everyone else experienced the same?

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my pregnancy, just because they knew it'd be inconvenient timing for me.

And so your experience means everyone else experienced the same?

Of course not. In my belief system, each human being is a unique individual, born or not yet born.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

So miscarriage that can't be explained, that's negligence then? Shame on those women too?

In what world is a miscarriage the same as an abortion? It's not.

Of course it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on those who believe it's ok to take a life.
It isn't.

So miscarriage that can't be explained, that's negligence then? Shame on those women too?

In what world is a miscarriage the same as an abortion? It's not.

Of course it is.

How? Feel free to use google to help.

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Those of you sitting in judgment are pathetic.

Unless you are there to raise those children, provide for them, and support policies that provide the things you aren't willing to do (parental leave, healthcare for children, reasonably priced health care, etc.) you have no right -NONE- to sit in judgment of someone else who has chosen a path you would not. There are LOADS of kids languishing in foster care. Put your money where your vicious mouths are and get involved with those kids who are here and who have no consistent source of love and little advantages.

Is a heartbeat alone life? Maybe. But, it's not a human viable of living outside the womb at 6 weeks. And, that life is second to the woman. Period. It it regrettable, yes. But, again, you folks are generally the ones who also object to free and ready access to health care b/c it offends your delicate sensitivities. You're hypocrites. You're sanctimonious. You're judgmental. You're disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my pregnancy, just because they knew it'd be inconvenient timing for me.

And so your experience means everyone else experienced the same?

Of course not. In my belief system, each human being is a unique individual, born or not yet born.

That's not what you said.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

You were "surprised"? Perhaps you need to focus yourself on getting to know your best friends a little better.

Lots of people are "pro-choice" in theory, but when push comes to shove, they're outraged when you want to actually take that little tiny life.

And a lot of people are "pro-life" in theory but are the first in line to get an abortion when they're faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Just ask anyone who works at an abortion clinic.

Why would I consider an abortionist to care about saying or doing the right thing? I wouldn't. They have no ethical code of conduct.

I notice you didn't respond to the fact that many "pro-life" women readily avail themselves to an abortion when faced with their own unfortunate circumstance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you sitting in judgment are pathetic.

Unless you are there to raise those children, provide for them, and support policies that provide the things you aren't willing to do (parental leave, healthcare for children, reasonably priced health care, etc.) you have no right -NONE- to sit in judgment of someone else who has chosen a path you would not. There are LOADS of kids languishing in foster care. Put your money where your vicious mouths are and get involved with those kids who are here and who have no consistent source of love and little advantages.

Is a heartbeat alone life? Maybe. But, it's not a human viable of living outside the womb at 6 weeks. And, that life is second to the woman. Period. It it regrettable, yes. But, again, you folks are generally the ones who also object to free and ready access to health care b/c it offends your delicate sensitivities. You're hypocrites. You're sanctimonious. You're judgmental. You're disgusting.

No. We just believe that someone must speak up for the most vulnerable in our society -- the innocent child who is going to be killed because his/ her birth is not convenient for the supposedly rational adult.

[Anonymous]

All of this may be a moot point anyway. Kasich has a history of not backing heartbeat bills because he is a believer in the constitution, though he is anti choice.

The bill that is up in Ohio to ban abortions after 20 weeks is more likely to get his signature.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

You were "surprised"? Perhaps you need to focus yourself on getting to know your best friends a little better.

Lots of people are "pro-choice" in theory, but when push comes to shove, they're outraged when you want to actually take that little tiny life.

And a lot of people are "pro-life" in theory but are the first in line to get an abortion when they're faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Just ask anyone who works at an abortion clinic.

Why would I consider an abortionist to care about saying or doing the right thing? I wouldn't. They have no ethical code of conduct.

I notice you didn't respond to the fact that many "pro-life" women readily avail themselves to an abortion when faced with their own unfortunate circumstance.

How many do you supposedly know? I don't know any.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you sitting in judgment are pathetic.

Unless you are there to raise those children, provide for them, and support policies that provide the things you aren't willing to do (parental leave, healthcare for children, reasonably priced health care, etc.) you have no right -NONE- to sit in judgment of someone else who has chosen a path you would not. There are LOADS of kids languishing in foster care. Put your money where your vicious mouths are and get involved with those kids who are here and who have no consistent source of love and little advantages.

Is a heartbeat alone life? Maybe. But, it's not a human viable of living outside the womb at 6 weeks. And, that life is second to the woman. Period. It it regrettable, yes. But, again, you folks are generally the ones who also object to free and ready access to health care b/c it offends your delicate sensitivities. You're hypocrites. You're sanctimonious. You're judgmental. You're disgusting.

No. We just believe that someone must speak up for the most vulnerable in our society -- the innocent child who is going to be killed because his/ her birth is not convenient for the supposedly rational adult.

How often to you speak up for vulnerable children who live in poverty in this nation? I wager not very often. You're probably one of those people who advocate for cutting social services as much as possible, no matter how many children it affects. You probably are in favor of repealing ACA without replacing it no matter how many children will suffer from lack of health care. You'd probably love to get rid of the school lunch program no matter how many kids will go hungry. Hypocrites, that's what almost all of you pro-lifers are. You cry about the fetuses in utero and once those children are out in the world you're fine with letting them endure whatever adverse situation they land in.

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You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

Did you wear a poster announcing you were having an abortion, just so people would want your little one to live? I doubt it. Liar.

Are you kidding? I've known several women who discussed their unwanted pregnancies with close friends and family members, some of whom tried to talk them out of it.

Why would you discuss your abortions with prolife friends?

I was not aware that some of these people considered themselves to be "pro-life" as it wasn't something we'd discussed previously. My best friend is in favor of safe, legal abortion, so I was pretty surprised when she tried to talk me out of the abortion. Particularly as she knew all the rest of my circumstances. She's still my best friend. We just agreed to disagree about this.

You were "surprised"? Perhaps you need to focus yourself on getting to know your best friends a little better.

Lots of people are "pro-choice" in theory, but when push comes to shove, they're outraged when you want to actually take that little tiny life.

And a lot of people are "pro-life" in theory but are the first in line to get an abortion when they're faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Just ask anyone who works at an abortion clinic.

Why would I consider an abortionist to care about saying or doing the right thing? I wouldn't. They have no ethical code of conduct.

I notice you didn't respond to the fact that many "pro-life" women readily avail themselves to an abortion when faced with their own unfortunate circumstance.

How many do you supposedly know? I don't know any.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-pro-life-women-have-abortions-and-profess-to-still-be-pro-life

https://thinkprogress.org/why-this-lawmaker-opposes-abortion-for-everyone-except-his-own-wife-and-mistress-97bbed7ee304#.yzixf6ueu

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/07/22/361020/--The-Only-Moral-Abortion-Is-My-Abortion

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/05/pro-life-views-change-if-abortion-gets-personal.html