Ohio heartbeat law

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my pregnancy, just because they knew it'd be inconvenient timing for me.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

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Anyone knows the Greek comedy Lysistrata ?

"Lysistrata persuades the women of Greece to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands and lovers as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace—a strategy, however, that inflames the battle between the sexes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata"

Well, in case it's ever made illegal, I think pro-choice women (the majority) should simply refuse to have sex altogether until abortion is legal (again). That will turn the tide pretty quickly.

As they say in Italy
“A pussy hair pulls [attracts] more than an oxcart.”

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Anonymous wrote:Just leave it to the states to decide if abortion should be legal.

Yeah, no. That's not what we're going to do.

It may not be what you want to do but after a couple of conservative Supreme Court picks you will likely see things move in that direction.

Remember, as Obama said, elections have consequences.

I love that people think that anti-choice and anti-birth control laws, if enacted broadly and draconianly as the goobers want, would be welcomed broadly. It would only take a few middle class women dying of sepsis for the country to throw the bums out. Women are not brood mares. They're not Eve.

So what did the Democrats do that caused the people to throw them out of the presidency, control of the Senate, control of the House, loss of 18 governorships since 2008, loss of over 900 seats in the state legislatures?

It had to be more than mere sepsis for this magnitude of rejection!

They committed the cardinal sin of assuming people were ready to see women as equals. Hence why we have an incompetent, corrupt twitter monster reality show host about to debase the White House, and not Hillary Rodham Clinton handling an intelligent transition. It's also why in 2016 we're still debating whether or not women should be able to control their own bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Another patronizing view of women.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Attention ladies, this breed of anti-choicer will let you have an abortion if you promise to experience regret!

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Another patronizing view of women.

That statement is not at all patronizing. It would be amazingly cold-hearted to have no regrets.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Attention ladies, this breed of anti-choicer will let you have an abortion if you promise to experience regret!

Regret isn't something that's forced, but those who make truly hard decisions in life that aren't clearly right/wrong and black/white typically have feelings of regret. One's heart and conscience have that kind of effect.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my pregnancy, just because they knew it'd be inconvenient timing for me.

You'd never believe how many people tried to talk me out of my abortion, just because they were sure I'd be able to handle having another baby as a newly divorced broke mom of a toddler with two jobs.

I do not regret my decision. The decision not to continue that pregnancy allowed me to get out of debt, make a better life for DD and myself, marry a great guy, and have a baby with him, when I was ready to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Another patronizing view of women.

That statement is not at all patronizing. It would be amazingly cold-hearted to have no regrets.

And if a woman miscarries an unwanted pregnancy is she supposed to feel regret for that, too? Or if she fears she is pregnant but then discovers she is not, should she have regret for that as well? Women are human beings. They have a right to think and feel for themselves and be the master of their own fate.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Attention ladies, this breed of anti-choicer will let you have an abortion if you promise to experience regret!

Regret isn't something that's forced, but those who make truly hard decisions in life that aren't clearly right/wrong and black/white typically have feelings of regret. One's heart and conscience have that kind of effect.

You're assuming abortion is a truly hard decision for every woman. For many women it is a relief and a godsend to not have to upend their lives and future because of an unwanted pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

If there's a heart beating within your body, in addition to your own beating heart, it's not just YOUR body.

Yes, it is. Legally, ethically, and morally.

Legally, yes. Ethically and morally would depend on the ethics and morals of the person who is pregnant with the baby and its beating heart.

Like the oxygen masks on airplanes, a pregnant woman's first and greatest responsibility is to herself. After that, it is up to her how much care she wishes to give the other beating heart.

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard the rest of the flight attendant's message...first put mask on your own face so that you can then breathe and help those who are dependent on you. That's where a mother's ethics and morals come into the picture.

Exactly. And in some cases, the woman's morals and ethics indicate that she should have the abortion, because she's not ready to create a being that will be so dependant on her.

Not trying to be unkind here, but the "being" is already created. I'm not saying it's an easy decision; I know it's very, very hard. That's why I wish more women would think ahead and use birth control.

Agree. Plus, I think lots of those who get abortions, don't really want to. They get talked into it.

And what do you base this opinion on? Such a patronizing/paternalistic view of women, to imply they can't make decisions for themselves. In fact research has shown that the vast majority of women who get abortions do not regret their decisions.

If true, how sad. It's one thing to make the very hard decision to abort a baby. It's quite another to have no regrets at all.

Attention ladies, this breed of anti-choicer will let you have an abortion if you promise to experience regret!

Regret isn't something that's forced, but those who make truly hard decisions in life that aren't clearly right/wrong and black/white typically have feelings of regret. One's heart and conscience have that kind of effect.

You're assuming abortion is a truly hard decision for every woman. For many women it is a relief and a godsend to not have to upend their lives and future because of an unwanted pregnancy.

Ok. A no regret decision!