Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

Schools in the NE have record # of applications. Kids aren't "fleeing".

Not that facts matter to MAGAs...

What is MAGA about observing that some southern flagships are doing pretty well with public education?

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Anonymous wrote:Swapping the Ivy League? That suggests they had a chance of admission in the first place.

Bwaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

I know. I love when I hear parents whose kids were not even close to required test scores, rigor/goa sat the reason their kids aren’t attending the 3-5% admit Ivies is because they like sunshine. So they go to the 50-85% acceptance rate instead.

This was all click bait. It became a thing when the T20s were next to impossible to get into.

Exactly. Live near Duke, even top students here want Ivies. They apply to Duke also, but it doesn’t have the same wow factor that colder climate applicants fawn over.

That may just be the fact that Duke is too close to home. I live in the Pacific Northwest and Duke has the same if not more "wow factor" than any Ivy after HYP. My valedictorian kid is applying ED to Duke.

I live in the Bay area and Duke has pretty much zero "wow factor" for top students. Checked our SCOIR, few apply to any of the Southern schools and to be fair few are accepted so it looks like the feelings are mutual.

True tech bros don't really care about the [wow] or whatever they care about YC and startup $$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

Schools in the NE have record # of applications. Kids aren't "fleeing".

Not that facts matter to MAGAs...

What is MAGA about observing that some southern flagships are doing pretty well with public education?

don't be obtuse

the comment was "Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swapping the Ivy League? That suggests they had a chance of admission in the first place.

Bwaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

I know. I love when I hear parents whose kids were not even close to required test scores, rigor/goa sat the reason their kids aren’t attending the 3-5% admit Ivies is because they like sunshine. So they go to the 50-85% acceptance rate instead.

This was all click bait. It became a thing when the T20s were next to impossible to get into.

Exactly. Live near Duke, even top students here want Ivies. They apply to Duke also, but it doesn’t have the same wow factor that colder climate applicants fawn over.

That may just be the fact that Duke is too close to home. I live in the Pacific Northwest and Duke has the same if not more "wow factor" than any Ivy after HYP. My valedictorian kid is applying ED to Duke.

I live in the Bay area and Duke has pretty much zero "wow factor" for top students. Checked our SCOIR, few apply to any of the Southern schools and to be fair few are accepted so it looks like the feelings are mutual.

True tech bros don't really care about the [wow] or whatever they care about YC and startup $$$

Tech bros are out of business lol AI is way better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swapping the Ivy League? That suggests they had a chance of admission in the first place.

Bwaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

I know. I love when I hear parents whose kids were not even close to required test scores, rigor/goa sat the reason their kids aren’t attending the 3-5% admit Ivies is because they like sunshine. So they go to the 50-85% acceptance rate instead.

This was all click bait. It became a thing when the T20s were next to impossible to get into.

Exactly. Live near Duke, even top students here want Ivies. They apply to Duke also, but it doesn’t have the same wow factor that colder climate applicants fawn over.

That may just be the fact that Duke is too close to home. I live in the Pacific Northwest and Duke has the same if not more "wow factor" than any Ivy after HYP. My valedictorian kid is applying ED to Duke.

I live in the Bay area and Duke has pretty much zero "wow factor" for top students. Checked our SCOIR, few apply to any of the Southern schools and to be fair few are accepted so it looks like the feelings are mutual.

True tech bros don't really care about the [wow] or whatever they care about YC and startup $$$

Tech bros are out of business lol AI is way better

So then who’s coding AI?

[Anonymous]

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Schools in the NE have record # of applications. Kids aren't "fleeing".

Not that facts matter to MAGAs...

Means nothing. Most of those colleges have become visa student degree mills full of foreigners. Big racket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t argue with the data they cite. Seems to boil down to fun and sunny weather. Ivy League losing its cachet. Ivy match kids increasingly prefer Vandy and Duke or a full merit scholarship at Alabama.

Why young Americans are shunning elite universities for the Deep South. Social life, sunshine and picturesque campuses are luring students from the northeast to colleges in South Carolina, Alabama and more.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/why-young-americans-are-shunning-elite-universities-for-the-deep-south-2ktn6fmv2

A bigger factor is cost. Even out of state a South Carolina or Florida is a major bargain. My DD would likely walk away from most public southern schools debt free. At Alabama and Ole Miss her scores would mean big scholarships and allow her to use her college savings for grad school.

My high achiever NMF turned down T10 (at a cost of nearly $400k for 4 years of undergrad) and goes to Alabama on a completely full ride scholarship. It was a no brainer. Younger siblings are also eyeing SEC schools.

If you don’t have the money it’s the only solution, you have no choice. But don’t fool yourself into thinking that Alabama gets you the same education as going to one of the top ten colleges in the country. Just be honest about it.

If they didn’t have any money the T10 school wouldn’t cost $400k. That’s full pay. These are people with means who don’t see the value in paying nearly half a million dollars for an ivy. That’s the point. These schools aren’t as impressive as they used to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swapping the Ivy League? That suggests they had a chance of admission in the first place.

Bwaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

I know. I love when I hear parents whose kids were not even close to required test scores, rigor/goa sat the reason their kids aren’t attending the 3-5% admit Ivies is because they like sunshine. So they go to the 50-85% acceptance rate instead.

This was all click bait. It became a thing when the T20s were next to impossible to get into.

Exactly. Live near Duke, even top students here want Ivies. They apply to Duke also, but it doesn’t have the same wow factor that colder climate applicants fawn over.

That may just be the fact that Duke is too close to home. I live in the Pacific Northwest and Duke has the same if not more "wow factor" than any Ivy after HYP. My valedictorian kid is applying ED to Duke.

I live in the Bay area and Duke has pretty much zero "wow factor" for top students. Checked our SCOIR, few apply to any of the Southern schools and to be fair few are accepted so it looks like the feelings are mutual.

True tech bros don't really care about the [wow] or whatever they care about YC and startup $$$

Tech bros are out of business lol AI is way better

So then who’s coding AI?

The 10% of the workforce that survives before AI can code itself. Arrogant STEM bros go home DEVASTATED

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Schools in the NE have record # of applications. Kids aren't "fleeing".

Not that facts matter to MAGAs...

Means nothing. Most of those colleges have become visa student degree mills full of foreigners. Big racket.

You have an issue with immigrants? Shocker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The article and trend are populist anti-elitism, the kind that glides past the details relying on “vibes.”

The growth of interest in Southern universities is real! But it’s not coming at the expense of the Ivy League.

The new mid-Atlantic trend toward southern colleges is real, and the parents and kids want to feel self-satisfied. Good weather, frats and football! But again: Long Island 1340 SAT kid isn’t going to cold Cornell or Harvard because HE negged THEM.

This. Lower scoring or lower income kids are going where they can afford or where they are accepted..

Low income kids will get a MUCH better deal pricewise at a meets need/ivy. Alabama and Auburn oos (for ex) is over $50k/yr and not meets need. Not a lot of low income kids at SEC schools they’re way too $$$ — unless they also have top stats in which case tons of merit $ at SEC (but then Ivy is prob still more affordable in many cases of low income + top performing).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a cope for dumb rich kids that can’t get into a decent college.

Wrong. You can’t buy your way into top SEC schools. The old fashioned top private colleges used legacy and all kinds of unethical tools to make sure dumb rich kids could get in. Remember those “counselor calls” that your CCO made for you? Good luck getting an SEC school to pick up the phone for you.

If you can write your name - or even your initials - you can get into most of these schools. This whole thing is about making insecure parents feel better about their middling kids

Sure, Jan

PP, you can look at the stats. Surely you are not under the impression it is difficult to get into Alabama, or Auburn, or Ole Miss, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

That’s your opinion, not a fact.
SUNY Binghamton, Penn State, U Maryland, several of the U Mass campuses are all terrific places where I would be far more likely to want to send my kids than University of Florida or Georgia.

+1

I don't want my kids heading to shthole red states.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

This isn't in order correct?
Duke
Vanderbilt
Rice
Emory
Huge gap
The others

[Anonymous]

The only southern schools that can siphon ivy admits is Duke, Emory, Rice , and Vanderbilt. The others cant do that, even with full ride scholarships. Northern boarding school students arent choosing Tulane if they have better options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a cope for dumb rich kids that can’t get into a decent college.

Wrong. You can’t buy your way into top SEC schools. The old fashioned top private colleges used legacy and all kinds of unethical tools to make sure dumb rich kids could get in. Remember those “counselor calls” that your CCO made for you? Good luck getting an SEC school to pick up the phone for you.

If you can write your name - or even your initials - you can get into most of these schools. This whole thing is about making insecure parents feel better about their middling kids

Sure, Jan

PP, you can look at the stats. Surely you are not under the impression it is difficult to get into Alabama, or Auburn, or Ole Miss, etc.

You’re cherry picking, Jan