Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

The greatest levels of Obesity are in the South.....try again.

Go on TikTok and see the fit SEC students that are in better shape than you could ever dream of.

Oh right because a few TikTok videos is the true measure of reality. What a moron.

Fine, go visit and see for yourself. You’re either really dumb or maybe out of shape and jealous.

Another unintelligent response to no surprise given that you base your reality on a few TikTok videos. What are you, 11?

You obviously have never set foot on an SEC campus. Or you have and you’re seething with jealousy. It’s so funny, please keep posting and digging your hole, you’re hilarious!

And you keep proving the case that you're a moron; you should just give up. I've been to plenty of campuses during college visits and I have a kid in the SEC and another one at a Big 10. I mean, did you even go to college? Doubt it.

If you had a kid in the SEC you wouldn’t be on here bashing it.

Not bashing it. Just bashing the SEC parents who feel the need to bash non-SEC schools because of their inferiority complex. I also find it ridiculous and silly that there's a huge emphasis on how the SEC is better because the kids who go there are better looking. Like just look at TikTok, you know?

Do you have any friends in real life? I hope your SEC kid learns to be normal and stays far away.

Got plenty. Both my kids are having a blast, thank you. We're a normal family that doesn't have this complex like you do! Good luck and bless your heart!

Most Karens think they are normal lol try not to embarrass yourself tomorrow

You're the one embarrassing yourself, TikTok!

Keep crashing out over TikTok lol it’s really funny.

Just : D calling it out! If you don't like that, then stop acting dumb.

And the crash out continues! Funny how TikTok really triggers you. Maybe add that to your next therapy agenda.

And maybe you can add to yours, your superiority complex and superficial tendencies.

I’ll definitely add your crash out to the agenda. Funny how you can’t just walk away

Sorry I've triggered you that you feel the need to talk about me with your therapist. Have a Happy Thanksgiving, doll.

Don’t be sorry, your crash out is providing priceless entertainment. But don’t get lazy and start with name calling, you can do better. I believe in you!

And yours too! At least we have something in common!

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

PP. No, I don't teach at Vandy, UF, UT Austin, nor UGA. Hence I started my post with "I teach at an average SEC school."

No, I don't teach any sections in our Honors College either. I'm in engineering, where none of our lecture-based courses has honor sections. Each lecture-based course contains a single section with 50–150 students (for sophomores/juniors) and roughly 30 (for senior-year electives). We do have honors research where students enroll in 3 credit hours of independent study working with a faculty.

Our math department has courses (e.g., differential equations, linear algebra) which have honors sections that are much smaller. I do not know how much more material is covered there compared to regular sections, but I do know some Honors College students there because some of them are also in my classes.

I feel that these high achievers (some were NMFs, I later learned) are not taught as much material as they could handle in my classes because I cannot disregard the rest of the students who have much lower ACT/SAT scores and who don't learn as quickly. I also feel that because it's easy to get A's in classes (since their classmates are relative weak), the high achievers actually have to work to not feel complacent. And for those who are easily influenced by friends, they have work to resist the culture of partying and drinking.

Can anyone imagine a real college professor at particular school truly talking this way about his students or his or her school? I mean seriously? Keep believing this is not a troll.

Exactly. The “prof” is certainly a troll.

If you think I'm a troll, wait till you hear from some of my colleagues, who have harsher things to say about students in our department and our school in general. Everyone still tries to do their best in classroom, and some keep experimenting with ways to improve delivery, but to say that there isn't frustration with students' desire to excel and student preparedness (especially in math) would be lying. Now you may chalk this off as "every faculty at every school is dissatisfied with their students, what's new?" I'm not talking about students from Ivies or t20 engineering or the recent UCSD report. I'm talking about below-median engineering students at an average SEC institution, which by definition makes up half of the engineering student body. We understand that our role as a public university is to educate our residents, but we are also allowed to have opinions about their academic capability and readiness.

Then why not leave for another institution? Is anyone in your department famous enough in the field to get a better job? Seriously, that would be more productive than anonymously airing dirty laundry.

Well, it's Thanksgiving break and I have a senior looking at colleges so I've been on DCUM the past few months. I'm happy where I'm at and frankly am not good enough research-wise to leave for another school that is not a lateral move. To do that and immediately be granted tenure there, one needs to be a star with lots of significant publications, a million or two of unspent federal funds from prestigious sources that can be moved to the new school, and the potential for more papers and money. Age matters too, as well as the maturity of the field one is in (e.g., AI/ML folks are easier to move around than those in renewable energy in this political climate).

happy where I'm at. Student quality is an issue,

Will you be sending your senior to a LAC or a teaching-focused regional university? I’ve heard many R1 faculty members choose not to send their kids to research universities for the reasons you outlined- the best jobs are given for research and funding, not necessarily teaching.

I married into a family of teaching professors and they are weirdly snobby about R1 schools and professors who receive research grants. I think they have inferiority complexes.

God forbid a school actually make scientific or medical progress, or worse, the professors do more than wear tweed coats and "jam" with students around a round wooden table about performance theory or stoicism.

It's just an excuse SLACs use to try and stay relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

The greatest levels of Obesity are in the South.....try again.

Go on TikTok and see the fit SEC students that are in better shape than you could ever dream of.

Oh right because a few TikTok videos is the true measure of reality. What a moron.

Fine, go visit and see for yourself. You’re either really dumb or maybe out of shape and jealous.

Another unintelligent response to no surprise given that you base your reality on a few TikTok videos. What are you, 11?

You obviously have never set foot on an SEC campus. Or you have and you’re seething with jealousy. It’s so funny, please keep posting and digging your hole, you’re hilarious!

And you keep proving the case that you're a moron; you should just give up. I've been to plenty of campuses during college visits and I have a kid in the SEC and another one at a Big 10. I mean, did you even go to college? Doubt it.

If you had a kid in the SEC you wouldn’t be on here bashing it.

Not bashing it. Just bashing the SEC parents who feel the need to bash non-SEC schools because of their inferiority complex. I also find it ridiculous and silly that there's a huge emphasis on how the SEC is better because the kids who go there are better looking. Like just look at TikTok, you know?

Do you have any friends in real life? I hope your SEC kid learns to be normal and stays far away.

Got plenty. Both my kids are having a blast, thank you. We're a normal family that doesn't have this complex like you do! Good luck and bless your heart!

Most Karens think they are normal lol try not to embarrass yourself tomorrow

You're the one embarrassing yourself, TikTok!

Keep crashing out over TikTok lol it’s really funny.

Just : D calling it out! If you don't like that, then stop acting dumb.

And the crash out continues! Funny how TikTok really triggers you. Maybe add that to your next therapy agenda.

And maybe you can add to yours, your superiority complex and superficial tendencies.

I’ll definitely add your crash out to the agenda. Funny how you can’t just walk away

Sorry I've triggered you that you feel the need to talk about me with your therapist. Have a Happy Thanksgiving, doll.

Don’t be sorry, your crash out is providing priceless entertainment. But don’t get lazy and start with name calling, you can do better. I believe in you!

And yours too! At least we have something in common!

Bless your heart!

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Anonymous wrote:I studied in an SEC college but my child goes to an Ivy. Cheering both sides

What are you cheering for on either side? It's a dumb argument.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

PP. No, I don't teach at Vandy, UF, UT Austin, nor UGA. Hence I started my post with "I teach at an average SEC school."

No, I don't teach any sections in our Honors College either. I'm in engineering, where none of our lecture-based courses has honor sections. Each lecture-based course contains a single section with 50–150 students (for sophomores/juniors) and roughly 30 (for senior-year electives). We do have honors research where students enroll in 3 credit hours of independent study working with a faculty.

Our math department has courses (e.g., differential equations, linear algebra) which have honors sections that are much smaller. I do not know how much more material is covered there compared to regular sections, but I do know some Honors College students there because some of them are also in my classes.

I feel that these high achievers (some were NMFs, I later learned) are not taught as much material as they could handle in my classes because I cannot disregard the rest of the students who have much lower ACT/SAT scores and who don't learn as quickly. I also feel that because it's easy to get A's in classes (since their classmates are relative weak), the high achievers actually have to work to not feel complacent. And for those who are easily influenced by friends, they have work to resist the culture of partying and drinking.

Can anyone imagine a real college professor at particular school truly talking this way about his students or his or her school? I mean seriously? Keep believing this is not a troll.

Exactly. The “prof” is certainly a troll.

If you think I'm a troll, wait till you hear from some of my colleagues, who have harsher things to say about students in our department and our school in general. Everyone still tries to do their best in classroom, and some keep experimenting with ways to improve delivery, but to say that there isn't frustration with students' desire to excel and student preparedness (especially in math) would be lying. Now you may chalk this off as "every faculty at every school is dissatisfied with their students, what's new?" I'm not talking about students from Ivies or t20 engineering or the recent UCSD report. I'm talking about below-median engineering students at an average SEC institution, which by definition makes up half of the engineering student body. We understand that our role as a public university is to educate our residents, but we are also allowed to have opinions about their academic capability and readiness.

Then why not leave for another institution? Is anyone in your department famous enough in the field to get a better job? Seriously, that would be more productive than anonymously airing dirty laundry.

Well, it's Thanksgiving break and I have a senior looking at colleges so I've been on DCUM the past few months. I'm happy where I'm at and frankly am not good enough research-wise to leave for another school that is not a lateral move. To do that and immediately be granted tenure there, one needs to be a star with lots of significant publications, a million or two of unspent federal funds from prestigious sources that can be moved to the new school, and the potential for more papers and money. Age matters too, as well as the maturity of the field one is in (e.g., AI/ML folks are easier to move around than those in renewable energy in this political climate).

happy where I'm at. Student quality is an issue,

Will you be sending your senior to a LAC or a teaching-focused regional university? I’ve heard many R1 faculty members choose not to send their kids to research universities for the reasons you outlined- the best jobs are given for research and funding, not necessarily teaching.

I married into a family of teaching professors and they are weirdly snobby about R1 schools and professors who receive research grants. I think they have inferiority complexes.

God forbid a school actually make scientific or medical progress, or worse, the professors do more than wear tweed coats and "jam" with students around a round wooden table about performance theory or stoicism.

It's just an excuse SLACs use to try and stay relevant.

Obviously a different poster….weak try

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Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

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Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

This is the new Ivy League

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

I teach at an average SEC school and the party/fun-filled/non-academic culture is so strong that half the class don't bother to show up to a 10:30am lecture after the first few weeks. Many faculty members especially newer ones have expressed shock/disappointment at how weak the student body is. When our classes are filled with <22 ACT and <1100 SAT, there is only so much we can do to educate. We need to slow down, cover less (often much less than the same course at schools we did our Ph.D.), give fewer/easier assignments, and make exam questions very similar to previous ones (even then many don't have a prayer because they didn't care to study). That's SEC-level of education for you.

Thank you for your post in this thread.

Do you teach any sections in the Honors College at your SEC university ? If yes, any difference with respect to students and regarding material covered ?

Is it safe to assume that you do not teach at Vanderbilt or at the University of Georgia ?

PP. No, I don't teach at Vandy, UF, UT Austin, nor UGA. Hence I started my post with "I teach at an average SEC school."

No, I don't teach any sections in our Honors College either. I'm in engineering, where none of our lecture-based courses has honor sections. Each lecture-based course contains a single section with 50–150 students (for sophomores/juniors) and roughly 30 (for senior-year electives). We do have honors research where students enroll in 3 credit hours of independent study working with a faculty.

Our math department has courses (e.g., differential equations, linear algebra) which have honors sections that are much smaller. I do not know how much more material is covered there compared to regular sections, but I do know some Honors College students there because some of them are also in my classes.

I feel that these high achievers (some were NMFs, I later learned) are not taught as much material as they could handle in my classes because I cannot disregard the rest of the students who have much lower ACT/SAT scores and who don't learn as quickly. I also feel that because it's easy to get A's in classes (since their classmates are relative weak), the high achievers actually have to work to not feel complacent. And for those who are easily influenced by friends, they have work to resist the culture of partying and drinking.

Can anyone imagine a real college professor at particular school truly talking this way about his students or his or her school? I mean seriously? Keep believing this is not a troll.

Exactly. The “prof” is certainly a troll.

If you think I'm a troll, wait till you hear from some of my colleagues, who have harsher things to say about students in our department and our school in general. Everyone still tries to do their best in classroom, and some keep experimenting with ways to improve delivery, but to say that there isn't frustration with students' desire to excel and student preparedness (especially in math) would be lying. Now you may chalk this off as "every faculty at every school is dissatisfied with their students, what's new?" I'm not talking about students from Ivies or t20 engineering or the recent UCSD report. I'm talking about below-median engineering students at an average SEC institution, which by definition makes up half of the engineering student body. We understand that our role as a public university is to educate our residents, but we are also allowed to have opinions about their academic capability and readiness.

Then why not leave for another institution? Is anyone in your department famous enough in the field to get a better job? Seriously, that would be more productive than anonymously airing dirty laundry.

Well, it's Thanksgiving break and I have a senior looking at colleges so I've been on DCUM the past few months. I'm happy where I'm at and frankly am not good enough research-wise to leave for another school that is not a lateral move. To do that and immediately be granted tenure there, one needs to be a star with lots of significant publications, a million or two of unspent federal funds from prestigious sources that can be moved to the new school, and the potential for more papers and money. Age matters too, as well as the maturity of the field one is in (e.g., AI/ML folks are easier to move around than those in renewable energy in this political climate).

happy where I'm at. Student quality is an issue,

Will you be sending your senior to a LAC or a teaching-focused regional university? I’ve heard many R1 faculty members choose not to send their kids to research universities for the reasons you outlined- the best jobs are given for research and funding, not necessarily teaching.

Neither, because my child prefers medium-sized schools in cities after a few campus visits (thus, not LACs and not behemoths like Texas A&M). Among colleagues who I know where their children went, most went to big-name research institutions (e.g., Ivies, Stanford, UC Berkeley, Rice, USC, etc.) and some attended our SEC school with employee tuition discount/waiver. This may just be due to our own bias, since many of us did graduate work at schools with strong engineering (e.g., UIUC, Georgia Tech). I don't have anecdotes for humanities/social science colleagues, but I suspect some, as you said, prefer LACs due to higher teaching quality and more personal attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

This is impressive

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Anonymous wrote:This is a cope for dumb rich kids that can’t get into a decent college.

Wrong. You can’t buy your way into top SEC schools. The old fashioned top private colleges used legacy and all kinds of unethical tools to make sure dumb rich kids could get in. Remember those “counselor calls” that your CCO made for you? Good luck getting an SEC school to pick up the phone for you.

If you can write your name - or even your initials - you can get into most of these schools. This whole thing is about making insecure parents feel better about their middling kids

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Anonymous wrote:This is a cope for dumb rich kids that can’t get into a decent college.

Wrong. You can’t buy your way into top SEC schools. The old fashioned top private colleges used legacy and all kinds of unethical tools to make sure dumb rich kids could get in. Remember those “counselor calls” that your CCO made for you? Good luck getting an SEC school to pick up the phone for you.

If you can write your name - or even your initials - you can get into most of these schools. This whole thing is about making insecure parents feel better about their middling kids

Sure, Jan

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Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

That’s your opinion, not a fact.
SUNY Binghamton, Penn State, U Maryland, several of the U Mass campuses are all terrific places where I would be far more likely to want to send my kids than University of Florida or Georgia.

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Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

Schools in the NE have record # of applications. Kids aren't "fleeing".

Not that facts matter to MAGAs...

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Anonymous wrote:Southern schools T15:

Duke
Rice
Vanderbilt (SEC)
UT Austin (SEC)
Georgia Tech
UVA
UNC
Emory
UF (SEC)
UGA (SEC)
Texas A&M (SEC)
Wake
Tulane

Miami

All other SEC schools essentially equal

Several great LAC’s in the South not listed above.

And 7 of those schools are public universities.

There are zero public universities in anyone’s list of best schools in the Northeast. The South made different choices when it comes to public education and it’s paying off. Whereas the Northeast figured what’s the point. We have Harvard and Princeton. And the University of New Hampshire is good enough for the rest of them.

Lazy and indifferent and bleak is the general vibe of states in the northeast when it comes to a quality public education. No wonder students are fleeing.

That’s your opinion, not a fact.
SUNY Binghamton, Penn State, U Maryland, several of the U Mass campuses are all terrific places where I would be far more likely to want to send my kids than University of Florida or Georgia.

+1

I don't want my kids heading to shthole red states.