Between Gaza and Iran, has Israel gone too far?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

And, many of them would be quite happy to be rid of their theocratic rulers. Regime change would be a satisfactory outcome for both Israel and for most Iranians. Relatively few of those 90M Iranians would be anxious to prop up their current government in the face of a challenge from Israel. As far as defeating Gaza goes, not much in the way of a functional society exists there any more; Israel has chosen to let most of the Gazans live, despite the Gazan responsibility for placing Hamas in power and keeping it there. Gaza sure seems emasculated, enfeebled, and mostly destroyed. If that's not a reasonable definition of "defeat", I don't know what is. Maybe you want to see no Gazan left standing before you'll concede defeat?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

And, many of them would be quite happy to be rid of their theocratic rulers. Regime change would be a satisfactory outcome for both Israel and for most Iranians. Relatively few of those 90M Iranians would be anxious to prop up their current government in the face of a challenge from Israel. As far as defeating Gaza goes, not much in the way of a functional society exists there any more; Israel has chosen to let most of the Gazans live, despite the Gazan responsibility for placing Hamas in power and keeping it there. Gaza sure seems emasculated, enfeebled, and mostly destroyed. If that's not a reasonable definition of "defeat", I don't know what is. Maybe you want to see no Gazan left standing before you'll concede defeat?

DP but defeat is based on Israel meeting its military goals. Their stated goal is to destroy Hamas and the second goal is to find all their hostages.

They failed with both objectives

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

And, many of them would be quite happy to be rid of their theocratic rulers. Regime change would be a satisfactory outcome for both Israel and for most Iranians. Relatively few of those 90M Iranians would be anxious to prop up their current government in the face of a challenge from Israel. As far as defeating Gaza goes, not much in the way of a functional society exists there any more; Israel has chosen to let most of the Gazans live, despite the Gazan responsibility for placing Hamas in power and keeping it there. Gaza sure seems emasculated, enfeebled, and mostly destroyed. If that's not a reasonable definition of "defeat", I don't know what is. Maybe you want to see no Gazan left standing before you'll concede defeat?

DP but defeat is based on Israel meeting its military goals. Their stated goal is to destroy Hamas and the second goal is to find all their hostages.

They failed with both objectives

Their actual goal is to take over and occupy Gaza free of Palestinians. Hostages and Hamas are just mechanisms to do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

Iranians literally worship a martyr and have martyrdom greatly lionized in their tradition.

One of the hallmarks of separation from Sunni Islam is that Shias make shrines out of graves, pilgrimages to these graves, and lionize the imams as holy- something not done by Sunnis.

It would be nice if people picked up a book and at least learned about the country and culture of the people they want to take over but our arrogance stops us from even doing that.

[Anonymous]

Trump is ordering every civilian to evacuate Tehran.

Is Israel considering Dahiya doctrine or launching nuclear weapons?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

And, many of them would be quite happy to be rid of their theocratic rulers. Regime change would be a satisfactory outcome for both Israel and for most Iranians. Relatively few of those 90M Iranians would be anxious to prop up their current government in the face of a challenge from Israel. As far as defeating Gaza goes, not much in the way of a functional society exists there any more; Israel has chosen to let most of the Gazans live, despite the Gazan responsibility for placing Hamas in power and keeping it there. Gaza sure seems emasculated, enfeebled, and mostly destroyed. If that's not a reasonable definition of "defeat", I don't know what is. Maybe you want to see no Gazan left standing before you'll concede defeat?

DP but defeat is based on Israel meeting its military goals. Their stated goal is to destroy Hamas and the second goal is to find all their hostages.

They failed with both objectives

Their actual goal is to take over and occupy Gaza free of Palestinians. Hostages and Hamas are just mechanisms to do so.

They don’t even put Israeli ground soldiers in Gaza. Everything’s done in the air.

Occupy what? Israel is a headless chicken bombing things left and right. That’s the only strategy they have. Their own army and cabinet has major dissent and internal squabbles. The prime minister is holding on to any power he can and does not want to get investigated and thrown in jail so he wants his country at war. He’s sacrificing his own country’s security for short term political goals.

[Anonymous]

Israel is not a competent country led by competent people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

And, many of them would be quite happy to be rid of their theocratic rulers. Regime change would be a satisfactory outcome for both Israel and for most Iranians. Relatively few of those 90M Iranians would be anxious to prop up their current government in the face of a challenge from Israel. As far as defeating Gaza goes, not much in the way of a functional society exists there any more; Israel has chosen to let most of the Gazans live, despite the Gazan responsibility for placing Hamas in power and keeping it there. Gaza sure seems emasculated, enfeebled, and mostly destroyed. If that's not a reasonable definition of "defeat", I don't know what is. Maybe you want to see no Gazan left standing before you'll concede defeat?

DP but defeat is based on Israel meeting its military goals. Their stated goal is to destroy Hamas and the second goal is to find all their hostages.

They failed with both objectives

Their actual goal is to take over and occupy Gaza free of Palestinians. Hostages and Hamas are just mechanisms to do so.

Most Israelis are not going to move to Gaza. They are occupying the West Bank instead of Gaza

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

Iranians literally worship a martyr and have martyrdom greatly lionized in their tradition.

One of the hallmarks of separation from Sunni Islam is that Shias make shrines out of graves, pilgrimages to these graves, and lionize the imams as holy- something not done by Sunnis.

It would be nice if people picked up a book and at least learned about the country and culture of the people they want to take over but our arrogance stops us from even doing that.

Dp, but I found this post to be an interesting viewpoint on how Iranians feel about what is going on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They’re going to leave the Egyptian tunnels alone and leave Hamas with the pipeline to continue restocking and resupplying. They will focus on Iran and ignore Hamas assuming their two year war was a success, killing Sinwar destroyed their strength, and reduced their will to fight or retaliate.

Israel of course is dead wrong with their intel assessment here but Netanyahu is an idiot whose made wrong calls about literally everything in the region since 2002

The problem is there are no tunnels. Seriously. Israel is a very corrupt places. Pay a little money or drugs and a truck full of weapons will magically appear.

There are tunnels. News cameras even showed tunnels in the Gaza Strip. Hostages reported they were in tunnels for weeks and the tunnels had plumbing, air conditioning, cars, underground hospitals, TV’s and that Hamas had computers and were watching everything going on wtf? A group that can do that can learn how to enrich uranium with instructions from
Their rich friend. Israel knows that.

Qatar are lazy oil rich trust fund morons. They can’t teach Palestinians anything. Israel also knows that.

The problem is Iran can teach them about uranium.

Please it is all Israeli propaganda put together in a studio in Tel Aviv. Gaza has no power, no water, no cars and no hospitals. Israel has bombed all of that.

How are the hostages alive if this is the case? There are parts of Gaza that still have power, water, cars, hospitals. Gaza is surprisingly resilient to this. This is not their first Israeli war. By comparison, Israel almost fell apart in a day by men in motorbikes and hot air balloons

Better disregard Gaza looking mostly like a parking lot scattered with litter and debris, and 50K Gazans dead, because Israel has exercised restraint in not (yet) wiping the place completely off the face of the earth in retaliation for Hamas' atrocities.

I love how you act like Israel is doing Palestinians a favor by not turning it into a parking lot. They can’t do that because such a bomb would kill their own citizens. The hostage families would also raise hell in Israel. They also can’t bomb the entire West Bank because settlers live there.

They’re not doing a MOAB or nuke because they can’t not because they don’t wish to.


Israel is stuck

[Anonymous]

They don’t know what the hell they are doing.

Israel is relying on probably the worst 2 men in modern politics: Netanyahu and Donald Trump to bring victory and safety

This is a war of really bad timing and really bad leadership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

And, many of them would be quite happy to be rid of their theocratic rulers. Regime change would be a satisfactory outcome for both Israel and for most Iranians. Relatively few of those 90M Iranians would be anxious to prop up their current government in the face of a challenge from Israel. As far as defeating Gaza goes, not much in the way of a functional society exists there any more; Israel has chosen to let most of the Gazans live, despite the Gazan responsibility for placing Hamas in power and keeping it there. Gaza sure seems emasculated, enfeebled, and mostly destroyed. If that's not a reasonable definition of "defeat", I don't know what is. Maybe you want to see no Gazan left standing before you'll concede defeat?

DP but defeat is based on Israel meeting its military goals. Their stated goal is to destroy Hamas and the second goal is to find all their hostages.

They failed with both objectives

Their actual goal is to take over and occupy Gaza free of Palestinians. Hostages and Hamas are just mechanisms to do so.

Most Israelis are not going to move to Gaza. They are occupying the West Bank instead of Gaza

That may be true but they want a Gaza without Palestinians. Daniella Weiss and others have stated that there are innumerable settlers ready to move to Gaza once it's wiped out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

Iranians literally worship a martyr and have martyrdom greatly lionized in their tradition.

One of the hallmarks of separation from Sunni Islam is that Shias make shrines out of graves, pilgrimages to these graves, and lionize the imams as holy- something not done by Sunnis.

It would be nice if people picked up a book and at least learned about the country and culture of the people they want to take over but our arrogance stops us from even doing that.

Dp, but I found this post to be an interesting viewpoint on how Iranians feel about what is going on.

tldr: “My mom could die tomorrow, but who cares? I agree with Jewish people that we need a war to get rid of the regime”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is not a competent country led by competent people

You can certainly argue that they’re not moral, but incompetent?

They’re systematically destroying their enemies in an extremely effective combined military/intelligence operation.

If that’s incompetence, then Putin and Iran would love to be as incompetent as Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They don’t know what the hell they are doing.

Israel is relying on probably the worst 2 men in modern politics: Netanyahu and Donald Trump to bring victory and safety

This is a war of really bad timing and really bad leadership.

I don’t follow your analysis. They’re absolutely crushing Iran and its proxies.

No matter how this resolves, they’re in the best strategic position they’ve been in since…ever?