Between Gaza and Iran, has Israel gone too far?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you go to war you can never predict what will happen. War totally disrupts society and the establishment. Moderates get replaced, some farmer boy becomes a mastermind new hero or terrorist, a Colonel stages a coup, government fall, etc. These type of things continue for 20-30 years. Look at what happened in the US after Vietnam. Look at how the Soviet empire collapsed after Afghanistan. Israel could win this battle and lose the war or they may just out right lose.

One thing that has been made clear to Iran. If you have weapon stockpiled and ready to strike, strike or lose the opportunity.

The drone war in the Ukraine Russia war will spread. This is just the start. Smart drones controlled by AI are going to level the battlefield. I do not see Israel able to counter it. The US is not prepared for this.

Final Israel is now very rightwing religious extremist country. The ultra orthodox are growing fast, live off the state and refuse military service. They are openly hostile to it.

I see the US walking away from Israel. We are leaving NATO, Europe and the rest of the world to the own interests. These other countries do not care about Israel. The US has protected both militarily and politically Israel. Even against our on interest. The days of this are coming to an end.

The US does not have the influence it once had as leader of the free world. The US is pulling out of protecting Europe. Middle East oil mainly goes to China. We do not want to give aid to any country. What does Israel offer the US?

The ultra orthodox are required to serve now. They even protested, what a bunch of hateful lazy hypocrites.

I don't want to waste my tax money on Israel, we have no problem dropping the rest of the world.

I've lost my patience with the entire Middle East. I realize 95% of the people in that region are as peaceful and loving as everyone else in the world. Those people need to rise up and overthrow the IDF, Hamas, Hezbollah, Khamenei, Netanyahu,... all of them! Hang their heads up high for any future tyrant wannabes to see.

Otherwise, I'm done caring. They can all kill each other if that's what they prefer. Much of the world is just sick and tired of hearing about their murderous ways.

Except that the rest of the world directly benefits from those murderous ways. Your take is naive to geopolitics.

The only way to truly get the US and China and their respective vassals out of that area — because those states are what is driving a lot of what is going on — is energy independence. And that means extensive drilling in the US.

Blah, blah, blah. Then drill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the timing of this attack on Iran. With all that is going on in Gaza. Why now? The issue has been around for decades.

The only thing that comes to
Mind is that israel knows that Trump will do whatever they want. They didn’t have unconditional US support before.

Can someone please enlighten me?

No Israel has not gone too far. The timing of the attack on Iran is simple. Negotiations between US and Iran were not progressing so Iran received a sample of what would happen if they don’t fall in line.

Actually, Iran has gone too far by targeting civilians.

What civilians? No Israeli has died.

Iranians lost women and children yesterday and it’s not the first time Israel’s killed their citizens unprovoked. Why would a country “scared about their survival” bully others like this? Israel is terrible. And apparently Benjamin Satanyahu has fled the country leaving his citizens to fend for themselves

[Anonymous]

Yes they have gone too far and they’re only hurting themselves yet they don’t realize it yet. Israel’s leader has already fled the state so what do you think regular Israelis will do? This war will break their country in half and break our country in half. Very bad times ahead I fear

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely not. Iran is an existential threat to Israel. Imagine if those missiles sent to Israel were nuclear.

Imagine if Israel’s missiles that they hit Iran with were nuclear! Israel is an existential threat to Iran. Israel does not see non Jews Israelis as people. Israel will use nuclear weapons with no regard for the impact on the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this question very broadly over the arc of decades and Israel's place in the international community.

Obviously the US is sticking with Israel. But the US has alienated our allies, so may have less influence going forward over certain issues.

Europe, Russia, China, the other Arab states. What does all this mean going forwards?

Remains to be seen long-term, but they are well on their way to making themselves an apartheid type state WRT to Europe. In a generation (or less) we will be the only Western world power supporting them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This all started when the Biden/Harris administration returned $6B in frozen Iranian assets. That money funded the Hamas attack on Israel, the Houthi attacks out of Yemen, built the drones provided to the Russians in their war against Ukraine and helped advance Iran’s nuclear program.

Israel is dealing with the existential threat it faces due to its proximity to Iran. They provided a warning with the first attack. Now further action will be dictated by Iran’s response. The world will be a safer place if Iran’s ability to support terror in the Middle East and around the world is eliminated.

No, the attacks happened much later, after Trump blew up the US Iran treaty. The funds would have gone to peace, if Trump didn't thoughtlessly kneejerk-reverse everything Ohana had done.

[Anonymous]

This is a very complicated question. No Israel hasn't gone too far. They've only killed a couple hundred thousand people and it's mostly women and children.

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Anonymous wrote:No, instead it's acting rationally and predictably in the face of clearly articulated threats from a regime devoted to its destruction. Iran's proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, are similarly committed and have been effectively defanged. The Houthis, also Iranian proxies, are largely impotent even if periodically irritating, and have been slapped down as needed. Iran itself is the remaining potentially viable threat to Israel's existence, and its proximity to their acquisition of a nuclear aggression capability makes their neutralization necessary at this time.

Ideally, this will end with a regime change in Iran. Without Iran's financial and material support, their proxies will cease to pose any meaningful threat, and stability for the region may be possible. The other Arab nations in the ME are fine with peaceful co-existence; it's Iran and its proxies which foment religiously-inspired terror and violence.

This...from inside sources is why the US is and will support Israel (for better or worse). It's a gamble the US is willing to take. The enemy of my enemy is my ally.

[Anonymous]

The other Arab states are happy for Israel to keep Iran in its place OP. I think you fundamentally misunderstand global politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the timing of this attack on Iran. With all that is going on in Gaza. Why now? The issue has been around for decades.

The only thing that comes to
Mind is that israel knows that Trump will do whatever they want. They didn’t have unconditional US support before.

Can someone please enlighten me?

No Israel has not gone too far. The timing of the attack on Iran is simple. Negotiations between US and Iran were not progressing so Iran received a sample of what would happen if they don’t fall in line.

Actually, Iran has gone too far by targeting civilians.

What civilians? No Israeli has died.

Iranians lost women and children yesterday and it’s not the first time Israel’s killed their citizens unprovoked. Why would a country “scared about their survival” bully others like this? Israel is terrible. And apparently Benjamin Satanyahu has fled the country leaving his citizens to fend for themselves

Don't you ever run out of falsehoods to propagate? No shame whatsoever at complete and utter fabrications to support preposterous fantasist narratives? You must be a joy to work with and to be around IRL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other Arab states are happy for Israel to keep Iran in its place OP. I think you fundamentally misunderstand global politics.

Exactly. Simplistic assertions of antisemitic made-up "facts" reflect a complete lack of comprehension of the causes and drivers of the conflicts in the region, and no appreciation for realistic solutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a very complicated question. No Israel hasn't gone too far. They've only killed a couple hundred thousand people and it's mostly women and children.

Are you paid by the post to spew inanity on behalf of the Palestinians instead of contributing thoughtfully to the discussion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely not. Iran is an existential threat to Israel. Imagine if those missiles sent to Israel were nuclear.

Imagine if Israel’s missiles that they hit Iran with were nuclear! Israel is an existential threat to Iran. Israel does not see non Jews Israelis as people. Israel will use nuclear weapons with no regard for the impact on the world.

Israel is no more an "existential threat" to Iran than are any other nuclear powers which would retaliate if attacked by Iran. The clerics in Iran may well have eventual global domination in mind, so denying them the capability to be a meaningful threat to anyone seems entirely prudent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand the timing of this attack on Iran. With all that is going on in Gaza. Why now? The issue has been around for decades.

The only thing that comes to
Mind is that israel knows that Trump will do whatever they want. They didn’t have unconditional US support before.

Can someone please enlighten me?

No Israel has not gone too far. The timing of the attack on Iran is simple. Negotiations between US and Iran were not progressing so Iran received a sample of what would happen if they don’t fall in line.

Actually, Iran has gone too far by targeting civilians.

What civilians? No Israeli has died.

Iranians lost women and children yesterday and it’s not the first time Israel’s killed their citizens unprovoked. Why would a country “scared about their survival” bully others like this? Israel is terrible. And apparently Benjamin Satanyahu has fled the country leaving his citizens to fend for themselves

Don't you ever run out of falsehoods to propagate? No shame whatsoever at complete and utter fabrications to support preposterous fantasist narratives? You must be a joy to work with and to be around IRL.

DP this is rich coming from an Israeli. Iran is much more trustworthy vs Israel. Israel has lied about everything. The MSM runs any Iranian statements through the Israel censors better know as “experts” who happen to be Jewish pro Israeli extremists. With Israel’s statement the MSM runs anything the Israelis hands them and uses Israeli “experts” to discuss the propaganda.

This is why tiktok was attacked.

[Anonymous]

We can start judging other countries when we acknowledge our failures in Vietnam, Afghanistan, most of South America, Libya, ...

Do I need to go on?