Between Gaza and Iran, has Israel gone too far?

[Anonymous]

Israel has been egging America on for years, wanting us to be the ones to strike Iran first, but realizing that the American public is fatigued of Middle Eastern wars and that public support of Israel has been sharply declining, they knew we just weren't going to do it without a very real threat to ourselves. For Israel, the next best thing was for them to strike while there is an extremist right wing US government in power that will go to the ends of the earth supporting Israel without criticism, as the Republican Party has been doing for decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel cannot defeat Gaza yet they’re delusional enough to think they can defeat Iran. A population of 90 million with underground uranium enrichment facilities?

The delusion with Israel is hilarious

You cannot defeat a people that would rather die. The Iranians on the other hand have much to live for.

Iranians literally worship a martyr and have martyrdom greatly lionized in their tradition.

One of the hallmarks of separation from Sunni Islam is that Shias make shrines out of graves, pilgrimages to these graves, and lionize the imams as holy- something not done by Sunnis.

It would be nice if people picked up a book and at least learned about the country and culture of the people they want to take over but our arrogance stops us from even doing that.

Dp, but I found this post to be an interesting viewpoint on how Iranians feel about what is going on.

tldr: “My mom could die tomorrow, but who cares? I agree with Jewish people that we need a war to get rid of the regime”

That’s an incredibly dismissive statement towards someone deeply concerned about their country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel has been egging America on for years, wanting us to be the ones to strike Iran first, but realizing that the American public is fatigued of Middle Eastern wars and that public support of Israel has been sharply declining, they knew we just weren't going to do it without a very real threat to ourselves. For Israel, the next best thing was for them to strike while there is an extremist right wing US government in power that will go to the ends of the earth supporting Israel without criticism, as the Republican Party has been doing for decades.

Israel knows its relationship with the US is ending. They have to strike now or they will never be able to do it.

[Anonymous]

Great article about the dangers of this war

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-folly-of-a-war-with-iran

The neoconservatives who orchestrated the disastrous wars with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya — and who were never held accountable for the profligate waste of $8 trillion taxpayer dollars, as well as $69 billion squandered in Ukraine — look set to lure us into yet another military fiasco with Iran.

Iran is not Iraq. Iran is not Afghanistan. Iran is not Lebanon. Iran is not Libya. Iran is not Syria. Iran is not Yemen. Iran is the seventeenth largest country in the world, with a land mass equivalent to the size of Western Europe. It has a population of almost 90 million — 10 times greater than Israel — and its military resources, as well as alliances with China and Russia, make it a formidable opponent.

Iran launched retaliatory attacks today on Israel following waves of Israeli strikes that hit nuclear facilities and killed several top Iranian military commanders and six nuclear scientists. There have been dozens of expolsions over the skyline in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. There is video footage of at least one large explosion on the ground in Tel Aviv from an apparent missile strike and reports of other explosions in some half dozen sites in and around Tel Aviv.

“Our revenge has just started, they will pay a high price for killing our commanders, scientists and people,” a senior Iranian officials told Reuters. The official added that “nowhere in Israel will be safe” and that “our revenge will be painful.”

“They think it'll be an easy war,” said Alastair Crooke, a former British diplomat and member of British intelligence (MI6) who spent decades in the Middle East, told me of the neocons when I interviewed him. “They want to reassert American power and leadership. They feel that every so often throwing a small country against the wall and smashing it up is good for this.”

These neocons, bonded with the Israeli leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu, he went on, “will not tolerate any rival power, any challenge to American leadership and American greatness.” They will create facts on the ground – a war between Israel and Iran – that will “pull Trump into a war with Iran.”

You can see my interview with Crooke here.

While Iran’s air force is weak, with many of its fighter planes decades old, it is well supplied with Russian air defense batteries and Chinese anti-ship missiles, as well as mines and coastal artillery. It can shut down the Strait of Hormuz, the world's most important oil chokepoint that facilitates the passage of 20 percent of the world’s oil supply. This would double or triple the price of oil and devastate the global economy. Iran has a large arsenal of ballistic missiles it can unleash on Israel, as well as on American military installations in the region. While initial waves can be intercepted, repeated attacks would swiftly deplete the Israeli and U.S. air defense stockpiles.

Israel is not equipped to endure a war of attrition, such as the eight year conflict between Iran and Iraq that ended — despite U.S. support for Saddam Hussein’s regime — in a stalemate, or as in Israel’s 18 year occupation of southern Lebanon that eventually forced it to withdraw in May, 2000, after repeated losses suffered from Hezbollah.

When Iran, in its Operation True Promise, launched over 300 ballistic and cruise missiles at Israel’s military and intelligence sites on April 13 and 14, 2023, in retaliation for an Israeli strike on the Iranian embassy in Damascus, the U.S. intercepted the vast majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great article about the dangers of this war

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-folly-of-a-war-with-iran

The neoconservatives who orchestrated the disastrous wars with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya — and who were never held accountable for the profligate waste of $8 trillion taxpayer dollars, as well as $69 billion squandered in Ukraine — look set to lure us into yet another military fiasco with Iran.

Iran is not Iraq. Iran is not Afghanistan. Iran is not Lebanon. Iran is not Libya. Iran is not Syria. Iran is not Yemen. Iran is the seventeenth largest country in the world, with a land mass equivalent to the size of Western Europe. It has a population of almost 90 million — 10 times greater than Israel — and its military resources, as well as alliances with China and Russia, make it a formidable opponent.

Iran launched retaliatory attacks today on Israel following waves of Israeli strikes that hit nuclear facilities and killed several top Iranian military commanders and six nuclear scientists. There have been dozens of expolsions over the skyline in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. There is video footage of at least one large explosion on the ground in Tel Aviv from an apparent missile strike and reports of other explosions in some half dozen sites in and around Tel Aviv.

“Our revenge has just started, they will pay a high price for killing our commanders, scientists and people,” a senior Iranian officials told Reuters. The official added that “nowhere in Israel will be safe” and that “our revenge will be painful.”

“They think it'll be an easy war,” said Alastair Crooke, a former British diplomat and member of British intelligence (MI6) who spent decades in the Middle East, told me of the neocons when I interviewed him. “They want to reassert American power and leadership. They feel that every so often throwing a small country against the wall and smashing it up is good for this.”

These neocons, bonded with the Israeli leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu, he went on, “will not tolerate any rival power, any challenge to American leadership and American greatness.” They will create facts on the ground – a war between Israel and Iran – that will “pull Trump into a war with Iran.”

You can see my interview with Crooke here.

While Iran’s air force is weak, with many of its fighter planes decades old, it is well supplied with Russian air defense batteries and Chinese anti-ship missiles, as well as mines and coastal artillery. It can shut down the Strait of Hormuz, the world's most important oil chokepoint that facilitates the passage of 20 percent of the world’s oil supply. This would double or triple the price of oil and devastate the global economy. Iran has a large arsenal of ballistic missiles it can unleash on Israel, as well as on American military installations in the region. While initial waves can be intercepted, repeated attacks would swiftly deplete the Israeli and U.S. air defense stockpiles.

Israel is not equipped to endure a war of attrition, such as the eight year conflict between Iran and Iraq that ended — despite U.S. support for Saddam Hussein’s regime — in a stalemate, or as in Israel’s 18 year occupation of southern Lebanon that eventually forced it to withdraw in May, 2000, after repeated losses suffered from Hezbollah.

When Iran, in its Operation True Promise, launched over 300 ballistic and cruise missiles at Israel’s military and intelligence sites on April 13 and 14, 2023, in retaliation for an Israeli strike on the Iranian embassy in Damascus, the U.S. intercepted the vast majority.

This is all a dream come true for China. God, Republicans are incompetent when it comes to national security.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has been egging America on for years, wanting us to be the ones to strike Iran first, but realizing that the American public is fatigued of Middle Eastern wars and that public support of Israel has been sharply declining, they knew we just weren't going to do it without a very real threat to ourselves. For Israel, the next best thing was for them to strike while there is an extremist right wing US government in power that will go to the ends of the earth supporting Israel without criticism, as the Republican Party has been doing for decades.

Israel knows its relationship with the US is ending. They have to strike now or they will never be able to do it.

We all know you are answering your own posts. Your life is sad and depressing.