What can American women learn from foreign women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Euro women by far drink less - you must be thinking about British women

And euro women don’t tan as much unless they are from southern Europe.

There’s a lot more variability in europe within what Americans consider “white” than there is in the us

Southern women in the US tan a lot more than women in the north. Why are we lumping all American women together?

Because accuracy isn't the point here, and neither is actual advice. There isn't any reason to keep hammering out the same two or three insults other than if you are desperate to make someone else feel sh--ty.

And if it isn't clear as day yet, why would someone expend this much energy just to try again and again to make a particular group of people feel that way? What could be driving that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American women talk SO LOUD! Please stop talking SO LOUD!

I agree. I am Canadian, and the Americans talk the loudest at conferences.

Yep, I'm European and I can tell in an airport passport check line which one has the Americans. They also take so much space.

Oh, because in the US they’re in the line that says “US passport holders” and in other countries they’re in the “other passports” line? You’re a real Sherlock Holmes, baby! Have you thought of offering your mad detective skills to Interpol? I’d love to hear what they have to say.

You don’t travel much, I see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

lol

European women drink a lot and smoke. And they tan a lot. You have to be joking.

Sorry you’re offended!

I made the list based on the positives of several cultures.

I’d add that foreign woman are not argumentative.

Haha! Clearly you’ve never met any Eastern European women.

Eastern European women are usually heads of households. The neck that turns her husband’s head. The assumption of their submissiveness is very wrong on this thread. But it doesn’t mean western men are less attracted to them. It only means they choose them for a combination of leadership, practical life skills and femininity.

I look very much like the featured mom from Instagram. But I’m not expensive and sleep with whoever I want to (based on his attractiveness and personality). I dated average and well-off men post divorce, and all of them were high quality in modern terms. Tall, single, driven, handsome, established in their careers regardless of the field and within 5 years of my own age. None of them were looking just for sex or submissiveness. I don’t even know why women on this forum complain at men on OLD only looking for sex. It’s so easy to pre-screen!

Yep. You just proved my point.

I’m not sure which point but I really dislike the generalization of EE women on this thread as low social status, expensive looking green card seeking wh…es. Yes I dress nicely but I have my own career and money to maintain my lifestyle. A man doesn’t need to throw a fortune to sleep with me. The wealthier ones do during courtship. The recent guy (who is in education making decent money but less than me) got my bedroom time with museums, parks, cooking for me and taking out for drinks at jazz clubs. I would never allow a man who is lower paid to spend a fortune to get sexual. Just not right away, after I had a chance to get to know him better, and knew he’s not cheap

My point was that EE women are argumentative. Every EE woman I know loves to debate and is very opinionated. It’s not even a criticism, just a rebuttal to the idea that they are submissive. Not all the other stuff about being gold diggers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Euro women by far drink less - you must be thinking about British women

And euro women don’t tan as much unless they are from southern Europe.

There’s a lot more variability in europe within what Americans consider “white” than there is in the us

Southern women in the US tan a lot more than women in the north. Why are we lumping all American women together?

[b]Northern American women tan more than dutch, Belgian and other Scandinavian/northern continental euro women [i]

The point is there is more heterogenous choices in Europe than the us.

There is a lot more convergence between northern and southern American women

Back up this claim. On what basis other than anecdata do you assert this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American women talk SO LOUD! Please stop talking SO LOUD!

I agree. I am Canadian, and the Americans talk the loudest at conferences.

Yep, I'm European and I can tell in an airport passport check line which one has the Americans. They also take so much space.

Oh, because in the US they’re in the line that says “US passport holders” and in other countries they’re in the “other passports” line? You’re a real Sherlock Holmes, baby! Have you thought of offering your mad detective skills to Interpol? I’d love to hear what they have to say.

You don’t travel much, I see.

I travel all the time. Frankly if you think Americans are the loud ones, I’d wager that you are the untraveled one. Never seen Chinese tourists, eh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course European women do more to appease men - no objecting, no strong opinions, go with the flow, be feminine and sexy. They live in societies where a woman’s wellbeing is based upon the support of a man.

Women in America are as educated and make as much money as men. Women in America are not like foreign women bc they don’t have to be like them. American women can pay their own way and don’t need to rely on their looks and feminine demeanor to survive.

These posts are exhausting. If foreign women are so great then go find one. As it turns out, the large majority of American men marry American women. So instead of wishing American women would change, how about embracing them for who they are and the strengths they bring to a relationship.

What you wrote is untrue. In former USSR women were socially, sexually and economically emancipated at least 30 years earlier than in the US. 4 generations of my female predecessors were working full time, were either equal earners or breadwinners in their families, and had nannies. At the same time my grandmother taught me to cook and to tailor dresses. It’s just a culture to be feminine out there, and maintain gender roles. Average education level was also higher (and free) than in the US. You are comparing average American women to highly educated women who moved to DC area from abroad (on scholarship, thanks to parental money etc). These are apples vs oranges. An average American born woman who lives in dmv has totally different (and often lower social level upbringing). Professional American men in dmv are hunting for successful foreign born women for a reason. It’s a way for them to “upgrade” to a higher social level partner- both in looks, demeanor and education.

Maybe you’re part of the Moscow (or whatever city) elite but don’t kid yourself that women in rural ex-USSR are any more emancipated than their US counterparts.

I agree about women just being allowed to be women in all of Europe while competing while in the US, there’s a very complex expectation of never being allowed to be nurturing or “soft” while in the same moment being told that skirts are better than pant suits. It’s a bit exhausting.

I grew up in a smallish (200K population) town in the south of former USSR. Women were 100% emancipated in that there were equal rights guaranteed to men and women, with high women participation in the workforce, government, sports etc. The expectation were that women would receive an education and work, which was made easier by a longish guaranteed maternity leave and early retirement (meaning availability of grandparents for childcare). None of that business of needing your husband's permission for a bank account. My mom taught music. My dad was a blue collar worker. Hardly members of the urban elite!

With that said, there were totally expectations of feminine behavior and homemaking, as well as most of the parenting. That part was very unfair. Again, made somewhat easier with smaller families, grandparents on hand, and smaller living quarters.

What I hear from American men who go gaga for the Russsian/Russian-adjacent women is that they admire their smarts as well as femininity. This is of course grossly distorted by the fact that the sort of USSR-born woman they are likely to encounter in the DC area is highly educated from a middleclass family (with all the "classy" extracurriculars that came with this SES in the USSR like music, ballet, opera, figure skating etc.). It is not representative of post-USSR women as a whole. But essentially it is a way to obtain a UMC-mindset woman without UMC-level costs.

Where I think we are really different from American women is that we see life the way it is, and not the way it "ought to be". We want to survive, and behave to survive under the circumstances in which we find ourselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course European women do more to appease men - no objecting, no strong opinions, go with the flow, be feminine and sexy. They live in societies where a woman’s wellbeing is based upon the support of a man.

Women in America are as educated and make as much money as men. Women in America are not like foreign women bc they don’t have to be like them. American women can pay their own way and don’t need to rely on their looks and feminine demeanor to survive.

These posts are exhausting. If foreign women are so great then go find one. As it turns out, the large majority of American men marry American women. So instead of wishing American women would change, how about embracing them for who they are and the strengths they bring to a relationship.

What you wrote is untrue. In former USSR women were socially, sexually and economically emancipated at least 30 years earlier than in the US. 4 generations of my female predecessors were working full time, were either equal earners or breadwinners in their families, and had nannies. At the same time my grandmother taught me to cook and to tailor dresses. It’s just a culture to be feminine out there, and maintain gender roles. Average education level was also higher (and free) than in the US. You are comparing average American women to highly educated women who moved to DC area from abroad (on scholarship, thanks to parental money etc). These are apples vs oranges. An average American born woman who lives in dmv has totally different (and often lower social level upbringing). Professional American men in dmv are hunting for successful foreign born women for a reason. It’s a way for them to “upgrade” to a higher social level partner- both in looks, demeanor and education.

Insofar as this happens— and statistically it’s at vanishingly small levels—it’s because they’re not successful with successful American women. Typically because the kind of person who does this is already divorced, given the wide majority of successful American men are married to highly educated American women. Northern/Western European women aren’t trampling down the doors for American women’s rejects.

NP. What makes you think guys seeking foreign women are being rejected by American women? If given the choice, very few American men would choose American women over foreign women. Most Americans don't speak a foreign language and don't have the resources or income to live in another country. The problem is that unless you live in a foreign country, it's a logistical nightmare to date someone from another country. And your options for dating a foreign born woman if you live in the US is very limited.

Because it’s accessible information. The overwhelming majority of American men marry American women. Assortive mating— another well documented phenomenon— indicates they will marry women of similar education and socioeconomic status.

And someone who wants to marry a foreign woman but has no interest in learning a second language is just a creep. Creeps aren’t attractive to anyone.

Let’s say, a foreign born woman works at Fortune500 company. She’s thin, makes $300k, maintained her youthful looks throughout life and has several grad degrees. She speaks with an accent but it didn’t prevent her from achieving the same career milestones as her US born colleagues at the same company. Why would any American man dating her need to learn her language ? Why would he be considered a reject that none of her US born colleagues wanted ? Her family back home is educated - grad degree in each generation in hard science. Why do you think her socioeconomic status below native speaking colleagues whose moms&dads on average didn’t have a grad degree?

Again, we are discussing all being equal here.

Excellent points! But I still want to learn a lot about her culture, and some of her language. It's why I'm studying <south Asian language> now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

[Anonymous]

How not to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

Please PP, you need to at least learn to google.

[Anonymous]

“ Europe is the heaviest drinking region in the world, with the average European consumption accounting for twice that of the global alcohol intake. Over 1/5 of the European population aged 15 and older binge drink at least once a week. Alcohol is the third leading risk factor for disease and death after tobacco use and high blood pressure. Globally, the European Region has the highest proportion of ill health (7%) and early death due to alcohol.

Increasingly, young women in Europe are becoming more frequent binge drinkers. In recent years, Europe’s women have benefited from a longer lifespan than men, outliving them by an average of 5 years. However, some studies warn that women’s increased tobacco and alcohol consumption is set to narrow the gender gap in avoidable illness and death over time.”

https://eurohealth.ie/women-and-alcohol-in-the-euwomen-and-alcohol-in-the-eu-2022/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look at this Russian 50 something mom. I think most men would be happy with a middle aged wife who looks like this, is into sex, and she's not overly critical- non Russian wife here. Men are simple creatures.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxSvXu8OYsL/?igshid=MWZjMTM2ODFkZg==

You’d better have major ducats. She looks expensive.

+1 that's what I keep saying.

If you want to marry a woman who loves shopping and is into her looks, you'd better be able to pay for that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

lol

European women drink a lot and smoke. And they tan a lot. You have to be joking.

Sorry you’re offended!

I made the list based on the positives of several cultures.

I’d add that foreign woman are not argumentative.

Haha! Clearly you’ve never met any Eastern European women.

Eastern European women are usually heads of households. The neck that turns her husband’s head. The assumption of their submissiveness is very wrong on this thread. But it doesn’t mean western men are less attracted to them. It only means they choose them for a combination of leadership, practical life skills and femininity.

I look very much like the featured mom from Instagram. But I’m not expensive and sleep with whoever I want to (based on his attractiveness and personality). I dated average and well-off men post divorce, and all of them were high quality in modern terms. Tall, single, driven, handsome, established in their careers regardless of the field and within 5 years of my own age. None of them were looking just for sex or submissiveness. I don’t even know why women on this forum complain at men on OLD only looking for sex. It’s so easy to pre-screen!

Yep. You just proved my point.

I’m not sure which point but I really dislike the generalization of EE women on this thread as low social status, expensive looking green card seeking wh…es. Yes I dress nicely but I have my own career and money to maintain my lifestyle. A man doesn’t need to throw a fortune to sleep with me. The wealthier ones do during courtship. The recent guy (who is in education making decent money but less than me) got my bedroom time with museums, parks, cooking for me and taking out for drinks at jazz clubs. I would never allow a man who is lower paid to spend a fortune to get sexual. Just not right away, after I had a chance to get to know him better, and knew he’s not cheap

My point was that EE women are argumentative. Every EE woman I know loves to debate and is very opinionated. It’s not even a criticism, just a rebuttal to the idea that they are submissive. Not all the other stuff about being gold diggers.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CuXgJFCO-AP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France