What can American women learn from foreign women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

If British people “aren’t really European” then what continent do they “really” belong to? This is such a ridiculous argument.

[Anonymous]

Women who eat smaller amounts of natural, home-prepared meals, walk to get from place to place, and consistently move about the house doing housework are healthier and more attractive than women who drink alcohol, Starbucks and processed meals and try to make up for it spending the rest of the day at the gym.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

So you don't think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to argue about "Europe" but then only pick the parts of Europe that work for your argument?

I mean what are you going to do when someone points out a major difference between, say, Ukrainian and German women? Say that one of them isn't really European?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women who eat smaller amounts of natural, home-prepared meals, walk to get from place to place, and consistently move about the house doing housework are healthier and more attractive than women who drink alcohol, Starbucks and processed meals and try to make up for it spending the rest of the day at the gym.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

So you don't think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to argue about "Europe" but then only pick the parts of Europe that work for your argument?

I mean what are you going to do when someone points out a major difference between, say, Ukrainian and German women? Say that one of them isn't really European?

Ukrainians aren’t really European- correct

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course European women do more to appease men - no objecting, no strong opinions, go with the flow, be feminine and sexy. They live in societies where a woman’s wellbeing is based upon the support of a man.

Women in America are as educated and make as much money as men. Women in America are not like foreign women bc they don’t have to be like them. American women can pay their own way and don’t need to rely on their looks and feminine demeanor to survive.

These posts are exhausting. If foreign women are so great then go find one. As it turns out, the large majority of American men marry American women. So instead of wishing American women would change, how about embracing them for who they are and the strengths they bring to a relationship.

What you wrote is untrue. In former USSR women were socially, sexually and economically emancipated at least 30 years earlier than in the US. 4 generations of my female predecessors were working full time, were either equal earners or breadwinners in their families, and had nannies. At the same time my grandmother taught me to cook and to tailor dresses. It’s just a culture to be feminine out there, and maintain gender roles. Average education level was also higher (and free) than in the US. You are comparing average American women to highly educated women who moved to DC area from abroad (on scholarship, thanks to parental money etc). These are apples vs oranges. An average American born woman who lives in dmv has totally different (and often lower social level upbringing). Professional American men in dmv are hunting for successful foreign born women for a reason. It’s a way for them to “upgrade” to a higher social level partner- both in looks, demeanor and education.

Insofar as this happens— and statistically it’s at vanishingly small levels—it’s because they’re not successful with successful American women. Typically because the kind of person who does this is already divorced, given the wide majority of successful American men are married to highly educated American women. Northern/Western European women aren’t trampling down the doors for American women’s rejects.

NP. What makes you think guys seeking foreign women are being rejected by American women? If given the choice, very few American men would choose American women over foreign women. Most Americans don't speak a foreign language and don't have the resources or income to live in another country. The problem is that unless you live in a foreign country, it's a logistical nightmare to date someone from another country. And your options for dating a foreign born woman if you live in the US is very limited.

Because it’s accessible information. The overwhelming majority of American men marry American women. Assortive mating— another well documented phenomenon— indicates they will marry women of similar education and socioeconomic status.

And someone who wants to marry a foreign woman but has no interest in learning a second language is just a creep. Creeps aren’t attractive to anyone.

Let’s say, a foreign born woman works at Fortune500 company. She’s thin, makes $300k, maintained her youthful looks throughout life and has several grad degrees. She speaks with an accent but it didn’t prevent her from achieving the same career milestones as her US born colleagues at the same company. Why would any American man dating her need to learn her language ? Why would he be considered a reject that none of her US born colleagues wanted ? Her family back home is educated - grad degree in each generation in hard science. Why do you think her socioeconomic status below native speaking colleagues whose moms&dads on average didn’t have a grad degree?

Again, we are discussing all being equal here.

…because he wants to be able to speak to her parents and family? Because he wants to share the language with their children? Because he actually values her history and culture? Just throwing some non-creep ideas into the ether here…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

So you don't think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to argue about "Europe" but then only pick the parts of Europe that work for your argument?

I mean what are you going to do when someone points out a major difference between, say, Ukrainian and German women? Say that one of them isn't really European?

Ukrainians aren’t really European- correct

oh, what continent is Ukraine on, then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

If British people “aren’t really European” then what continent do they “really” belong to? This is such a ridiculous argument.

My DH is British, and I just told him that apparently, someone thinks that British people aren't really European, and he gave me the a look, like "WTF"? lol

American women definitely should not learn about geography or who drinks the most from European women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

So you don't think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to argue about "Europe" but then only pick the parts of Europe that work for your argument?

I mean what are you going to do when someone points out a major difference between, say, Ukrainian and German women? Say that one of them isn't really European?

Ukrainians aren’t really European- correct

oh, what continent is Ukraine on, then?

It’s on the Eurasian plains

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

If British people “aren’t really European” then what continent do they “really” belong to? This is such a ridiculous argument.

My DH is British, and I just told him that apparently, someone thinks that British people aren't really European, and he gave me the a look, like "WTF"? lol

American women definitely should not learn about geography or who drinks the most from European women.

If your husband is really British he will know that the British identity wrt europe is complicated.

“ With little difficulty we can identify six possible meanings of European. Two are archaic and buried, but have a significant afterlife: to be European means to be Christian and to be European means to be white. Then there are three interlocking meanings which are more familiar. The first is geographical: Europe is the second smallest continent, a western extension of Eurasia. Are we part of it? The geographers say yes. Many Britons doubt it, for the second of those three interlocking meanings is, as Collins English Dictionary tells us, "the continent of Europe, except for the British Isles." (One wonders where that leaves Ireland.) This is a familiar usage. We say "Jim's off to Europe" or "Fred's back from Europe." Europe is elsewhere. Thirdly, Europe means the EU.

In contemporary British usage, these three meanings are very often elided, but in political debate the third is predominant. In this sense, the question "is Britain European?" comes down to asking: is Britain fully participating in the EU? Is it supporting some version of what people in continental Europe would recognise as the European project?”

[Anonymous]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/16/great-britain-never-never-will-european-country/

[Anonymous]

“ Great Britain never was – and never will be – a European country”

- Robert Tombs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

So you don't think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to argue about "Europe" but then only pick the parts of Europe that work for your argument?

I mean what are you going to do when someone points out a major difference between, say, Ukrainian and German women? Say that one of them isn't really European?

Ukrainians aren’t really European- correct

So what continent is Ukraine part of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

So you don't think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to argue about "Europe" but then only pick the parts of Europe that work for your argument?

I mean what are you going to do when someone points out a major difference between, say, Ukrainian and German women? Say that one of them isn't really European?

Ukrainians aren’t really European- correct

oh, what continent is Ukraine on, then?

It’s on the Eurasian plains

So Europe. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Great Britain never was – and never will be – a European country”

- Robert Tombs

🙄 Says the American.