What can American women learn from foreign women?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Of course European women do more to appease men - no objecting, no strong opinions, go with the flow, be feminine and sexy. They live in societies where a woman’s wellbeing is based upon the support of a man.

Women in America are as educated and make as much money as men. Women in America are not like foreign women bc they don’t have to be like them. American women can pay their own way and don’t need to rely on their looks and feminine demeanor to survive.

These posts are exhausting. If foreign women are so great then go find one. As it turns out, the large majority of American men marry American women. So instead of wishing American women would change, how about embracing them for who they are and the strengths they bring to a relationship.


What you wrote is untrue. In former USSR women were socially, sexually and economically emancipated at least 30 years earlier than in the US. 4 generations of my female predecessors were working full time, were either equal earners or breadwinners in their families, and had nannies. At the same time my grandmother taught me to cook and to tailor dresses. It’s just a culture to be feminine out there, and maintain gender roles. Average education level was also higher (and free) than in the US. You are comparing average American women to highly educated women who moved to DC area from abroad (on scholarship, thanks to parental money etc). These are apples vs oranges. An average American born woman who lives in dmv has totally different (and often lower social level upbringing). Professional American men in dmv are hunting for successful foreign born women for a reason. It’s a way for them to “upgrade” to a higher social level partner- both in looks, demeanor and education.


Insofar as this happens— and statistically it’s at vanishingly small levels—it’s because they’re not successful with successful American women. Typically because the kind of person who does this is already divorced, given the wide majority of successful American men are married to highly educated American women. Northern/Western European women aren’t trampling down the doors for American women’s rejects.


NP. What makes you think guys seeking foreign women are being rejected by American women? If given the choice, very few American men would choose American women over foreign women. Most Americans don't speak a foreign language and don't have the resources or income to live in another country. The problem is that unless you live in a foreign country, it's a logistical nightmare to date someone from another country. And your options for dating a foreign born woman if you live in the US is very limited.


Because it’s accessible information. The overwhelming majority of American men marry American women. Assortive mating— another well documented phenomenon— indicates they will marry women of similar education and socioeconomic status.

And someone who wants to marry a foreign woman but has no interest in learning a second language is just a creep. Creeps aren’t attractive to anyone.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course European women do more to appease men - no objecting, no strong opinions, go with the flow, be feminine and sexy. They live in societies where a woman’s wellbeing is based upon the support of a man.

Women in America are as educated and make as much money as men. Women in America are not like foreign women bc they don’t have to be like them. American women can pay their own way and don’t need to rely on their looks and feminine demeanor to survive.

These posts are exhausting. If foreign women are so great then go find one. As it turns out, the large majority of American men marry American women. So instead of wishing American women would change, how about embracing them for who they are and the strengths they bring to a relationship.


What you wrote is untrue. In former USSR women were socially, sexually and economically emancipated at least 30 years earlier than in the US. 4 generations of my female predecessors were working full time, were either equal earners or breadwinners in their families, and had nannies. At the same time my grandmother taught me to cook and to tailor dresses. It’s just a culture to be feminine out there, and maintain gender roles. Average education level was also higher (and free) than in the US. You are comparing average American women to highly educated women who moved to DC area from abroad (on scholarship, thanks to parental money etc). These are apples vs oranges. An average American born woman who lives in dmv has totally different (and often lower social level upbringing). Professional American men in dmv are hunting for successful foreign born women for a reason. It’s a way for them to “upgrade” to a higher social level partner- both in looks, demeanor and education.


Insofar as this happens— and statistically it’s at vanishingly small levels—it’s because they’re not successful with successful American women. Typically because the kind of person who does this is already divorced, given the wide majority of successful American men are married to highly educated American women. Northern/Western European women aren’t trampling down the doors for American women’s rejects.


NP. What makes you think guys seeking foreign women are being rejected by American women? If given the choice, very few American men would choose American women over foreign women. Most Americans don't speak a foreign language and don't have the resources or income to live in another country. The problem is that unless you live in a foreign country, it's a logistical nightmare to date someone from another country. And your options for dating a foreign born woman if you live in the US is very limited.


Because it’s accessible information. The overwhelming majority of American men marry American women. Assortive mating— another well documented phenomenon— indicates they will marry women of similar education and socioeconomic status.

And someone who wants to marry a foreign woman but has no interest in learning a second language is just a creep. Creeps aren’t attractive to anyone.


Let’s say, a foreign born woman works at Fortune500 company. She’s thin, makes $300k, maintained her youthful looks throughout life and has several grad degrees. She speaks with an accent but it didn’t prevent her from achieving the same career milestones as her US born colleagues at the same company. Why would any American man dating her need to learn her language ? Why would he be considered a reject that none of her US born colleagues wanted ? Her family back home is educated - grad degree in each generation in hard science. Why do you think her socioeconomic status below native speaking colleagues whose moms&dads on average didn’t have a grad degree?

Again, we are discussing all being equal here.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Ladies the men who share the more offensive views in this thread are not people you’d want to be with. I see these men in the wild and feel sorry for the women they’ve managed to rope in regardless of nationality.


+1

They’re all wildly insecure Peter Pans
Anonymous
Look at this Russian 50 something mom. I think most men would be happy with a middle aged wife who looks like this, is into sex, and she's not overly critical- non Russian wife here. Men are simple creatures.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxSvXu8OYsL/?igshid=MWZjMTM2ODFkZg==
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly



You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly


lol

European women drink a lot and smoke. And they tan a lot. You have to be joking.


Sorry you’re offended!

I made the list based on the positives of several cultures.

I’d add that foreign woman are not argumentative.


Haha! Clearly you’ve never met any Eastern European women.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Comfortable in their own femininity. Dress does not include baseball hat and an SUV. Also (at least for Northern European women) comfortable with their body. A German or Swede would have absolutely no issue with public nudity - spa culture is awesome! And that culture keeps even women in their 50s and early 60s in shape and looking good.

Speaking multiple languages and scarves. Oh, the scarves…and cycling. A woman on a bike is a delight


More people would bike in the US if it weren’t so car-centric. Can’t blame that one on women. Wait, what am I saying? A misogynist can blame anything on a woman.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:American women talk SO LOUD! Please stop talking SO LOUD!


I agree. I am Canadian, and the Americans talk the loudest at conferences.


Yep, I'm European and I can tell in an airport passport check line which one has the Americans. They also take so much space.


Oh, because in the US they’re in the line that says “US passport holders” and in other countries they’re in the “other passports” line? You’re a real Sherlock Holmes, baby! Have you thought of offering your mad detective skills to Interpol? I’d love to hear what they have to say.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Look at this Russian 50 something mom. I think most men would be happy with a middle aged wife who looks like this, is into sex, and she's not overly critical- non Russian wife here. Men are simple creatures.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxSvXu8OYsL/?igshid=MWZjMTM2ODFkZg==


You’d better have major ducats. She looks expensive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly


lol

European women drink a lot and smoke. And they tan a lot. You have to be joking.


Sorry you’re offended!

I made the list based on the positives of several cultures.

I’d add that foreign woman are not argumentative.


Haha! Clearly you’ve never met any Eastern European women.


Eastern European women are usually heads of households. The neck that turns her husband’s head. The assumption of their submissiveness is very wrong on this thread. But it doesn’t mean western men are less attracted to them. It only means they choose them for a combination of leadership, practical life skills and femininity.

I look very much like the featured mom from Instagram. But I’m not expensive and sleep with whoever I want to (based on his attractiveness and personality). I dated average and well-off men post divorce, and all of them were high quality in modern terms. Tall, single, driven, handsome, established in their careers regardless of the field and within 5 years of my own age. None of them were looking just for sex or submissiveness. I don’t even know why women on this forum complain at men on OLD only looking for sex. It’s so easy to pre-screen!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly


lol

European women drink a lot and smoke. And they tan a lot. You have to be joking.


Sorry you’re offended!

I made the list based on the positives of several cultures.

I’d add that foreign woman are not argumentative.


Haha! Clearly you’ve never met any Eastern European women.


Eastern European women are usually heads of households. The neck that turns her husband’s head. The assumption of their submissiveness is very wrong on this thread. But it doesn’t mean western men are less attracted to them. It only means they choose them for a combination of leadership, practical life skills and femininity.

I look very much like the featured mom from Instagram. But I’m not expensive and sleep with whoever I want to (based on his attractiveness and personality). I dated average and well-off men post divorce, and all of them were high quality in modern terms. Tall, single, driven, handsome, established in their careers regardless of the field and within 5 years of my own age. None of them were looking just for sex or submissiveness. I don’t even know why women on this forum complain at men on OLD only looking for sex. It’s so easy to pre-screen!


Yep. You just proved my point.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly



You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.


Euro women by far drink less - you must be thinking about British women

And euro women don’t tan as much unless they are from southern Europe.

There’s a lot more variability in europe within what Americans consider “white” than there is in the us


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly



You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.


Euro women by far drink less - you must be thinking about British women

And euro women don’t tan as much unless they are from southern Europe.

There’s a lot more variability in europe within what Americans consider “white” than there is in the us




Southern women in the US tan a lot more than women in the north. Why are we lumping all American women together?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly


lol

European women drink a lot and smoke. And they tan a lot. You have to be joking.


Sorry you’re offended!

I made the list based on the positives of several cultures.

I’d add that foreign woman are not argumentative.


Haha! Clearly you’ve never met any Eastern European women.


Eastern European women are usually heads of households. The neck that turns her husband’s head. The assumption of their submissiveness is very wrong on this thread. But it doesn’t mean western men are less attracted to them. It only means they choose them for a combination of leadership, practical life skills and femininity.

I look very much like the featured mom from Instagram. But I’m not expensive and sleep with whoever I want to (based on his attractiveness and personality). I dated average and well-off men post divorce, and all of them were high quality in modern terms. Tall, single, driven, handsome, established in their careers regardless of the field and within 5 years of my own age. None of them were looking just for sex or submissiveness. I don’t even know why women on this forum complain at men on OLD only looking for sex. It’s so easy to pre-screen!


Yep. You just proved my point.


I’m not sure which point but I really dislike the generalization of EE women on this thread as low social status, expensive looking green card seeking wh…es. Yes I dress nicely but I have my own career and money to maintain my lifestyle. A man doesn’t need to throw a fortune to sleep with me. The wealthier ones do during courtship. The recent guy (who is in education making decent money but less than me) got my bedroom time with museums, parks, cooking for me and taking out for drinks at jazz clubs. I would never allow a man who is lower paid to spend a fortune to get sexual. Just not right away, after I had a chance to get to know him better, and knew he’s not cheap
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly



You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.


Euro women by far drink less - you must be thinking about British women

And euro women don’t tan as much unless they are from southern Europe.

There’s a lot more variability in europe within what Americans consider “white” than there is in the us




Southern women in the US tan a lot more than women in the north. Why are we lumping all American women together?


Northern American women tan more than dutch, Belgian and other Scandinavian/northern continental euro women

The point is there is more heterogenous choices in Europe than the us.

There is a lot more convergence between northern and southern American women

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