Magnet application result High School

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Except it’s completely race blind so the commute has no idea who is Asian and who isn’t. So if the 290 kid didn’t get in it’s because there was another candidate that was better. Maybe they didn’t have all As. Maybe they didn’t demonstrate an interest in stem their essay. Maybe they didn’t seem as well rounded. Maybe your kid is just not as smart as you think they are.

Maybe so. how do you know it is race-blind or gender-blind?

It’s not gender blind but it is race blind. They told us at the various open houses. It’s also school blind, though unclear if they can tell who is TPMS from their grades.

Don't believe that it is race blind or school blind going by what I see.

Haha. Well I guess you know better. We should listen to the anonymous stranger instead of the peeler who are actually on the committee. What’s your theory about both?

and who's on the committee now?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion is about Blair SMAC.

The list I saw from TPMS (compiled by the kids) seemed to have very few white kids.

It’s pretty shameful to come in here and try to undermine the very real accomplishments of these kids just to make yourself feel better. I think the kids know better than that. Mine certainly does.

If you look at the pictures on the Blair website its not diverse and very few white kids, especially boys.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

I can’t even understand if they are mad that too many Asian or Indian or white kids got in? Too many minorities or too few? Or too many girls? (The list I saw —briefly — seemed heavy on boys).

At the open house last November it seemed white kids were in the minority.

You know Indians are Asians, right?

Yeah I do. But I also know that most Americans don’t seem to understand that and do not use Asian to refer to Indian (or Pakistani or Bangladeshi) families.

Thanks for your useful contribution to the discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

They don't

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to those who just heard from Wheaton!! I have an Engineering kid there now who is thriving! Chose it over Blair magnet.

I also have a Blair magnet grad now in college who was very well prepared. Chose it over the Wheaton programs, cap and rmib.

Right choice for each kid. Feel free to ask any questions, newly admitted folks. Congrats!

I thought Wheaton Engineering program was more of a Engineering Tech program - very hands on.

Like how Purdue has Engineering and also Polytechnic Engineering.

I am not bashing it in anyway because I think my nephew should have done a hands-on polytechnic college program and instead burned out of engineering (too much math and physics and less programing and hands on) and dropped out.

I think you might be confusing the application program with the academy or maybe something at Edison? I will say it (the magnet) is hands on, but that is the nature of engineering. It also includes math and physics.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Except it’s completely race blind so the commute has no idea who is Asian and who isn’t. So if the 290 kid didn’t get in it’s because there was another candidate that was better. Maybe they didn’t have all As. Maybe they didn’t demonstrate an interest in stem their essay. Maybe they didn’t seem as well rounded. Maybe your kid is just not as smart as you think they are.

It's not race blind. Look at the pictures on the website. The 290 kid should get in over the 260 kid, no question.

The SELECTION PROCESS IS RACE BLIND!!!

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Except it’s completely race blind so the commute has no idea who is Asian and who isn’t. So if the 290 kid didn’t get in it’s because there was another candidate that was better. Maybe they didn’t have all As. Maybe they didn’t demonstrate an interest in stem their essay. Maybe they didn’t seem as well rounded. Maybe your kid is just not as smart as you think they are.

Maybe so. how do you know it is race-blind or gender-blind?

It’s not gender blind but it is race blind. They told us at the various open houses. It’s also school blind, though unclear if they can tell who is TPMS from their grades.

Don't believe that it is race blind or school blind going by what I see.

Haha. Well I guess you know better. We should listen to the anonymous stranger instead of the peeler who are actually on the committee. What’s your theory about both?

and who's on the committee now?

Email the magnet coordinator and ask.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Except it’s completely race blind so the commute has no idea who is Asian and who isn’t. So if the 290 kid didn’t get in it’s because there was another candidate that was better. Maybe they didn’t have all As. Maybe they didn’t demonstrate an interest in stem their essay. Maybe they didn’t seem as well rounded. Maybe your kid is just not as smart as you think they are.

It's not race blind. Look at the pictures on the website. The 290 kid should get in over the 260 kid, no question.

The SELECTION PROCESS IS RACE BLIND!!!

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Except it’s completely race blind so the commute has no idea who is Asian and who isn’t. So if the 290 kid didn’t get in it’s because there was another candidate that was better. Maybe they didn’t have all As. Maybe they didn’t demonstrate an interest in stem their essay. Maybe they didn’t seem as well rounded. Maybe your kid is just not as smart as you think they are.

It's not race blind. Look at the pictures on the website. The 290 kid should get in over the 260 kid, no question.

The SELECTION PROCESS IS RACE BLIND!!!

You can bold and increase the size of the font.

Great idea. I’ll try that next time.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are the parent of an Asian boy - well-rounded with good grades and high MAP scores looking around you to see kids who may have worse scores getting in, this is just the beginning. wait till you get to college admissions. it is beyond brutal. essentially at this point Asian kids - esp boys - are competing among themselves because the bar is so much higher than for others. being held to different standards as a 13 or 14 year old sucks though.

The issue is likely more related to parents promoting a certain path for kids, and the students all become similar candidates in terms of enrichment, ECs, etc. Encourage you kids to express themselves in the arts!

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Anonymous wrote:Jeez, kid is regularly 98-99 on MAP-R, got good grades at Eastern magnet, and not even a waitlist for CAP. I don't get it.

What are the good grades. My all a student with high map was waitlisted.

It sounds like CAP doesn't have a high regard for the Eastern program, going outside to private school students instead.

Wrong.
Signed,
- an Eastern parent

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Anonymous wrote:I have no skin in the game as my child is in but I would not brag about the "very real accomplishments" of kids who got in versus the ones who did not.

I really think it's very arbitrary once you get past the very top kids. It's more about luck. Your child got lucky. Mine got. Theirs did not. Don't devalue their achievements because some parents are confused and upset about what happened. It could very well have been you who is in that position.

Isn’t this the “splitting hairs” that AEI says they’re trying to eliminate by using a lottery? Maybe they should do a lottery here too. Then it won’t bring out the nasty.

They created the problem by not using the Cogat. Once you use the Cogat you have more data to start differentiating. You can also look at a broader range of grades rather than just focusing on math or science or English. That's more holistic and fair IMO. A lottery is much worse because it does not capture the outliers.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no skin in the game as my child is in but I would not brag about the "very real accomplishments" of kids who got in versus the ones who did not.

I really think it's very arbitrary once you get past the very top kids. It's more about luck. Your child got lucky. Mine got. Theirs did not. Don't devalue their achievements because some parents are confused and upset about what happened. It could very well have been you who is in that position.

Isn’t this the “splitting hairs” that AEI says they’re trying to eliminate by using a lottery? Maybe they should do a lottery here too. Then it won’t bring out the nasty.

They created the problem by not using the Cogat. Once you use the Cogat you have more data to start differentiating. You can also look at a broader range of grades rather than just focusing on math or science or English. That's more holistic and fair IMO. A lottery is much worse because it does not capture the outliers.

True.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you even talking about? My child has not shown me the list but mentioned a bunch of friends who got in over dinner. I know these kids and DC has said for 2.5 years they are all the top students with 300+ MAP scores.

The top mostly Asian 300+ students have got in. Agree. Seems though that the bar for Asian kids is 300+ while the bar for others is much lower.

And? It's a county-wide program so they need to take students from other middle schools, not just TPMS . And I bet you Asian kids from North Bethesda MS or Julius West MS have a much lower bar, too.

Not the point. Just comparing kids within TPMS. If a 290 Asian boy doesn't get in but a 260 white kid or a 250 girl gets in that means Asians are just being compared among themselves. Like they are not real individuals but just a homogenous group.

Not necessarily. Blair wants innovation, to think outside the box. That requires some diversity. If the kids in question are all in the same box of robotics, cs and strings, they may prefer a kid who has a slightly lower map who will bring art, environmental science, poetry and/or drama. It's likely more about scope than race. TPMS and Blair have always been heavily Asian and skewed male, btw. It would be good to have more diversity.

You are making the assumption that the asian kid is not into art, poetry or drama...that's the essential problem here. putting people in boxes...