Magnet application result High School

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Anonymous wrote:My current 8th grader did not make the cut to Blair (not even wait listed). My second kid in 7th grade would apply later this year, for those who have been admitted, is possible to share MAP-M score? This post talks about 300+ scores and are there kids with lower scores that have made the cut? My kid is not in that league currently.

The simple trick is to study ahead. This is just a test of whether the kid knows the material. Not of mathematical ability, mastery or even IQ. So for example if your kid does outside enrichment and stays ahead of what is being taught. Can get higher scores. Most of the 300+ kids do this. Anything above 268 or so is 99 percentile so shouldn’t matter but the test is being used for a purpose it is not meant for. Still better than nothing…but you won’t be able to get 300+ by mastering what is being taught. You have to absolutely study ahead.

Co-signed. Which is why cogat is a better test. Yes it is gameable too but not nearly as so.

Not really. CogAT is much easier to game than mastering years of math.

Getting a high MAP M score is not about mastery. It is only about having exposure to material. That’s the point.

Similarly getting a high CogAT score just requires a little practice and familiarity with the types of questions. However, if getting a high map score were all that easy, more would do it. They don't because it isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:My current 8th grader did not make the cut to Blair (not even wait listed). My second kid in 7th grade would apply later this year, for those who have been admitted, is possible to share MAP-M score? This post talks about 300+ scores and are there kids with lower scores that have made the cut? My kid is not in that league currently.

The simple trick is to study ahead. This is just a test of whether the kid knows the material. Not of mathematical ability, mastery or even IQ. So for example if your kid does outside enrichment and stays ahead of what is being taught. Can get higher scores. Most of the 300+ kids do this. Anything above 268 or so is 99 percentile so shouldn’t matter but the test is being used for a purpose it is not meant for. Still better than nothing…but you won’t be able to get 300+ by mastering what is being taught. You have to absolutely study ahead.

Co-signed. Which is why cogat is a better test. Yes it is gameable too but not nearly as so.

Not really. CogAT is much easier to game than mastering years of math.

Getting a high MAP M score is not about mastery. It is only about having exposure to material. That’s the point.

Similarly getting a high CogAT score just requires a little practice and familiarity with the types of questions. However, if getting a high map score were all that easy, more would do it. They don't because it isn't.

This is just not true about cogat. You can increase your score a bit by prepping but not to the same extent as MAP. What you’re trying to argue here is that a kid can prep for an IQ test more than a content test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current 8th grader did not make the cut to Blair (not even wait listed). My second kid in 7th grade would apply later this year, for those who have been admitted, is possible to share MAP-M score? This post talks about 300+ scores and are there kids with lower scores that have made the cut? My kid is not in that league currently.

The simple trick is to study ahead. This is just a test of whether the kid knows the material. Not of mathematical ability, mastery or even IQ. So for example if your kid does outside enrichment and stays ahead of what is being taught. Can get higher scores. Most of the 300+ kids do this. Anything above 268 or so is 99 percentile so shouldn’t matter but the test is being used for a purpose it is not meant for. Still better than nothing…but you won’t be able to get 300+ by mastering what is being taught. You have to absolutely study ahead.

Co-signed. Which is why cogat is a better test. Yes it is gameable too but not nearly as so.

Not really. CogAT is much easier to game than mastering years of math.

Getting a high MAP M score is not about mastery. It is only about having exposure to material. That’s the point.

Similarly getting a high CogAT score just requires a little practice and familiarity with the types of questions. However, if getting a high map score were all that easy, more would do it. They don't because it isn't.

This is just not true about cogat. You can increase your score a bit by prepping but not to the same extent as MAP. What you’re trying to argue here is that a kid can prep for an IQ test more than a content test.

Not arguing for either/or. That’s why having multiple criteria/data points is better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My current 8th grader did not make the cut to Blair (not even wait listed). My second kid in 7th grade would apply later this year, for those who have been admitted, is possible to share MAP-M score? This post talks about 300+ scores and are there kids with lower scores that have made the cut? My kid is not in that league currently.

My admitted DC had MAP-M of 291. Would be interested in knowing the scores of other students, whether admitted or not.

Why?

Because MCPS won't publish admissions criteria, so the public is left to their own research.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how much things have changed in 2 years, but my DD who is Asian got into both global ecology and humanities (only 2 she applied for) with a MAP-M score of 260 and MAP-R score of 254... the whole thread here suggests if you get any less than 270 you are doomed! ... May be you all are talking about only SMACs program! My younger one is going to go through the process next year and her MAP scores are comparable to her sister's and she is also looking for global ecology and humanities programs... reading this thread seems to indicate she has no chance!
Another point for the selection committee when my eldest went through the process, was that if the kid was already in a magnet (she was in Clemente math sci) meant the kids already had an edge since they got into the program with a test and everything. And dont tell me the selection committee doesn't know the schools.... only magnet kids have computer science in their transcript and GT stamped on the Math and Sci courses they take... so they know...
However with my second one, they had lottery selection for middle school magnets. MY DD was in the lottery pool for both programs but her name wasn't picked and so were a bunch of her very smart friends, who all stayed back in their home middle schools... so with that I think there will be hyper focus on just the MAP scores and essays and I dont think they can use the 'Kids already in magnets are smart' argument anymore as magnets kids in this batch were really lottery picks and I know some really questionable selections who are currently struggling in their magnet schools!
Oh well...make the high schools also lottery already! its all just luck from this point on !

I'll be that jerk. Many of the people on this thread do not really think of those as real magnets. Sorry it's true. Blair SMAC is the main one that matters. My child is on the WL too with those scores for Poolesville but did not make the waitpool for any of the others.

Sorry to break your bubble. DC know boys from TPMS with 240/250 who made it to Blair SMAC. They seem to have taken the very top. Close to 300 or 300+ and for the rest it seems like a bit of a lottery.

240 vs 250 is a huge difference, first of all. It's a whole year's coursework of growth/learning.

Second, 250 level is barely passing Geometry, not getting an A in Honors Geometry, certainly not an A in TPMS Magnet Geometry. The magnet-app MAP test is in January, so Geometry isn't fully taught yet, but that's still shaky.

A student who got an A in 7th grade TPMS Magnet Algebra should have at least 260.

Maybe someone who is strong in CS or Science could get into Blair with 250 Math MAP; no one talks about what achievement looks like in those areas. Middle school CS / Science doesn't have anything resembling Honors. I know some kids who did well in Science Bowl (facts/trivia) who got into SMACS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how much things have changed in 2 years, but my DD who is Asian got into both global ecology and humanities (only 2 she applied for) with a MAP-M score of 260 and MAP-R score of 254... the whole thread here suggests if you get any less than 270 you are doomed! ... May be you all are talking about only SMACs program! My younger one is going to go through the process next year and her MAP scores are comparable to her sister's and she is also looking for global ecology and humanities programs... reading this thread seems to indicate she has no chance!
Another point for the selection committee when my eldest went through the process, was that if the kid was already in a magnet (she was in Clemente math sci) meant the kids already had an edge since they got into the program with a test and everything. And dont tell me the selection committee doesn't know the schools.... only magnet kids have computer science in their transcript and GT stamped on the Math and Sci courses they take... so they know...
However with my second one, they had lottery selection for middle school magnets. MY DD was in the lottery pool for both programs but her name wasn't picked and so were a bunch of her very smart friends, who all stayed back in their home middle schools... so with that I think there will be hyper focus on just the MAP scores and essays and I dont think they can use the 'Kids already in magnets are smart' argument anymore as magnets kids in this batch were really lottery picks and I know some really questionable selections who are currently struggling in their magnet schools!
Oh well...make the high schools also lottery already! its all just luck from this point on !

I'll be that jerk. Many of the people on this thread do not really think of those as real magnets. Sorry it's true. Blair SMAC is the main one that matters. My child is on the WL too with those scores for Poolesville but did not make the waitpool for any of the others.

Sorry to break your bubble. DC know boys from TPMS with 240/250 who made it to Blair SMAC. They seem to have taken the very top. Close to 300 or 300+ and for the rest it seems like a bit of a lottery.

240 vs 250 is a huge difference, first of all. It's a whole year's coursework of growth/learning.

Second, 250 level is barely passing Geometry, not getting an A in Honors Geometry, certainly not an A in TPMS Magnet Geometry. The magnet-app MAP test is in January, so Geometry isn't fully taught yet, but that's still shaky.

A student who got an A in 7th grade TPMS Magnet Algebra should have at least 260.

Maybe someone who is strong in CS or Science could get into Blair with 250 Math MAP; no one talks about what achievement looks like in those areas. Middle school CS / Science doesn't have anything resembling Honors. I know some kids who did well in Science Bowl (facts/trivia) who got into SMACS.

No the magnet app MAP test is taken in fall. At the beginning of the school year. Before they’ve really even started geometry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how much things have changed in 2 years, but my DD who is Asian got into both global ecology and humanities (only 2 she applied for) with a MAP-M score of 260 and MAP-R score of 254... the whole thread here suggests if you get any less than 270 you are doomed! ... May be you all are talking about only SMACs program! My younger one is going to go through the process next year and her MAP scores are comparable to her sister's and she is also looking for global ecology and humanities programs... reading this thread seems to indicate she has no chance!
Another point for the selection committee when my eldest went through the process, was that if the kid was already in a magnet (she was in Clemente math sci) meant the kids already had an edge since they got into the program with a test and everything. And dont tell me the selection committee doesn't know the schools.... only magnet kids have computer science in their transcript and GT stamped on the Math and Sci courses they take... so they know...
However with my second one, they had lottery selection for middle school magnets. MY DD was in the lottery pool for both programs but her name wasn't picked and so were a bunch of her very smart friends, who all stayed back in their home middle schools... so with that I think there will be hyper focus on just the MAP scores and essays and I dont think they can use the 'Kids already in magnets are smart' argument anymore as magnets kids in this batch were really lottery picks and I know some really questionable selections who are currently struggling in their magnet schools!
Oh well...make the high schools also lottery already! its all just luck from this point on !

I'll be that jerk. Many of the people on this thread do not really think of those as real magnets. Sorry it's true. Blair SMAC is the main one that matters. My child is on the WL too with those scores for Poolesville but did not make the waitpool for any of the others.

Sorry to break your bubble. DC know boys from TPMS with 240/250 who made it to Blair SMAC. They seem to have taken the very top. Close to 300 or 300+ and for the rest it seems like a bit of a lottery.

240 vs 250 is a huge difference, first of all. It's a whole year's coursework of growth/learning.

Second, 250 level is barely passing Geometry, not getting an A in Honors Geometry, certainly not an A in TPMS Magnet Geometry. The magnet-app MAP test is in January, so Geometry isn't fully taught yet, but that's still shaky.

A student who got an A in 7th grade TPMS Magnet Algebra should have at least 260.

Maybe someone who is strong in CS or Science could get into Blair with 250 Math MAP; no one talks about what achievement looks like in those areas. Middle school CS / Science doesn't have anything resembling Honors. I know some kids who did well in Science Bowl (facts/trivia) who got into SMACS.

Take what people claim here with a grain of salt. The magnet administrator at Blair said the median applicant had 255 and the median admitted score was 280.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how much things have changed in 2 years, but my DD who is Asian got into both global ecology and humanities (only 2 she applied for) with a MAP-M score of 260 and MAP-R score of 254... the whole thread here suggests if you get any less than 270 you are doomed! ... May be you all are talking about only SMACs program! My younger one is going to go through the process next year and her MAP scores are comparable to her sister's and she is also looking for global ecology and humanities programs... reading this thread seems to indicate she has no chance!
Another point for the selection committee when my eldest went through the process, was that if the kid was already in a magnet (she was in Clemente math sci) meant the kids already had an edge since they got into the program with a test and everything. And dont tell me the selection committee doesn't know the schools.... only magnet kids have computer science in their transcript and GT stamped on the Math and Sci courses they take... so they know...
However with my second one, they had lottery selection for middle school magnets. MY DD was in the lottery pool for both programs but her name wasn't picked and so were a bunch of her very smart friends, who all stayed back in their home middle schools... so with that I think there will be hyper focus on just the MAP scores and essays and I dont think they can use the 'Kids already in magnets are smart' argument anymore as magnets kids in this batch were really lottery picks and I know some really questionable selections who are currently struggling in their magnet schools!
Oh well...make the high schools also lottery already! its all just luck from this point on !

I'll be that jerk. Many of the people on this thread do not really think of those as real magnets. Sorry it's true. Blair SMAC is the main one that matters. My child is on the WL too with those scores for Poolesville but did not make the waitpool for any of the others.

Sorry to break your bubble. DC know boys from TPMS with 240/250 who made it to Blair SMAC. They seem to have taken the very top. Close to 300 or 300+ and for the rest it seems like a bit of a lottery.

240 vs 250 is a huge difference, first of all. It's a whole year's coursework of growth/learning.

Second, 250 level is barely passing Geometry, not getting an A in Honors Geometry, certainly not an A in TPMS Magnet Geometry. The magnet-app MAP test is in January, so Geometry isn't fully taught yet, but that's still shaky.

A student who got an A in 7th grade TPMS Magnet Algebra should have at least 260.

Maybe someone who is strong in CS or Science could get into Blair with 250 Math MAP; no one talks about what achievement looks like in those areas. Middle school CS / Science doesn't have anything resembling Honors. I know some kids who did well in Science Bowl (facts/trivia) who got into SMACS.

No the magnet app MAP test is taken in fall. At the beginning of the school year. Before they’ve really even started geometry.

This is also an advantage for kids who attend those wealthy schools that provid access to Algebra in 6th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how much things have changed in 2 years, but my DD who is Asian got into both global ecology and humanities (only 2 she applied for) with a MAP-M score of 260 and MAP-R score of 254... the whole thread here suggests if you get any less than 270 you are doomed! ... May be you all are talking about only SMACs program! My younger one is going to go through the process next year and her MAP scores are comparable to her sister's and she is also looking for global ecology and humanities programs... reading this thread seems to indicate she has no chance!
Another point for the selection committee when my eldest went through the process, was that if the kid was already in a magnet (she was in Clemente math sci) meant the kids already had an edge since they got into the program with a test and everything. And dont tell me the selection committee doesn't know the schools.... only magnet kids have computer science in their transcript and GT stamped on the Math and Sci courses they take... so they know...
However with my second one, they had lottery selection for middle school magnets. MY DD was in the lottery pool for both programs but her name wasn't picked and so were a bunch of her very smart friends, who all stayed back in their home middle schools... so with that I think there will be hyper focus on just the MAP scores and essays and I dont think they can use the 'Kids already in magnets are smart' argument anymore as magnets kids in this batch were really lottery picks and I know some really questionable selections who are currently struggling in their magnet schools!
Oh well...make the high schools also lottery already! its all just luck from this point on !

I'll be that jerk. Many of the people on this thread do not really think of those as real magnets. Sorry it's true. Blair SMAC is the main one that matters. My child is on the WL too with those scores for Poolesville but did not make the waitpool for any of the others.

Sorry to break your bubble. DC know boys from TPMS with 240/250 who made it to Blair SMAC. They seem to have taken the very top. Close to 300 or 300+ and for the rest it seems like a bit of a lottery.

240 vs 250 is a huge difference, first of all. It's a whole year's coursework of growth/learning.

Second, 250 level is barely passing Geometry, not getting an A in Honors Geometry, certainly not an A in TPMS Magnet Geometry. The magnet-app MAP test is in January, so Geometry isn't fully taught yet, but that's still shaky.

A student who got an A in 7th grade TPMS Magnet Algebra should have at least 260.

Maybe someone who is strong in CS or Science could get into Blair with 250 Math MAP; no one talks about what achievement looks like in those areas. Middle school CS / Science doesn't have anything resembling Honors. I know some kids who did well in Science Bowl (facts/trivia) who got into SMACS.

No the magnet app MAP test is taken in fall. At the beginning of the school year. Before they’ve really even started geometry.

This is also an advantage for kids who attend those wealthy schools that provid access to Algebra in 6th.

As well as the kids who attend schools with less wealthy parents/guardians who are also provided access to Algebra in 6th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how much things have changed in 2 years, but my DD who is Asian got into both global ecology and humanities (only 2 she applied for) with a MAP-M score of 260 and MAP-R score of 254... the whole thread here suggests if you get any less than 270 you are doomed! ... May be you all are talking about only SMACs program! My younger one is going to go through the process next year and her MAP scores are comparable to her sister's and she is also looking for global ecology and humanities programs... reading this thread seems to indicate she has no chance!
Another point for the selection committee when my eldest went through the process, was that if the kid was already in a magnet (she was in Clemente math sci) meant the kids already had an edge since they got into the program with a test and everything. And dont tell me the selection committee doesn't know the schools.... only magnet kids have computer science in their transcript and GT stamped on the Math and Sci courses they take... so they know...
However with my second one, they had lottery selection for middle school magnets. MY DD was in the lottery pool for both programs but her name wasn't picked and so were a bunch of her very smart friends, who all stayed back in their home middle schools... so with that I think there will be hyper focus on just the MAP scores and essays and I dont think they can use the 'Kids already in magnets are smart' argument anymore as magnets kids in this batch were really lottery picks and I know some really questionable selections who are currently struggling in their magnet schools!
Oh well...make the high schools also lottery already! its all just luck from this point on !

I'll be that jerk. Many of the people on this thread do not really think of those as real magnets. Sorry it's true. Blair SMAC is the main one that matters. My child is on the WL too with those scores for Poolesville but did not make the waitpool for any of the others.

Sorry to break your bubble. DC know boys from TPMS with 240/250 who made it to Blair SMAC. They seem to have taken the very top. Close to 300 or 300+ and for the rest it seems like a bit of a lottery.

240 vs 250 is a huge difference, first of all. It's a whole year's coursework of growth/learning.

Second, 250 level is barely passing Geometry, not getting an A in Honors Geometry, certainly not an A in TPMS Magnet Geometry. The magnet-app MAP test is in January, so Geometry isn't fully taught yet, but that's still shaky.

A student who got an A in 7th grade TPMS Magnet Algebra should have at least 260.

Maybe someone who is strong in CS or Science could get into Blair with 250 Math MAP; no one talks about what achievement looks like in those areas. Middle school CS / Science doesn't have anything resembling Honors. I know some kids who did well in Science Bowl (facts/trivia) who got into SMACS.

No the magnet app MAP test is taken in fall. At the beginning of the school year. Before they’ve really even started geometry.

This is also an advantage for kids who attend those wealthy schools that provid access to Algebra in 6th.

As well as the kids who attend schools with less wealthy parents/guardians who are also provided access to Algebra in 6th.

I wish my kid could sign up for those parents!