Redshirting August boy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

It literally does not matter, speaking as a parent who didn’t redshirt and has kids in their older teens now. If you think it matters, you have lead, so far, a pretty narrow and restricted life. Of all the things my kids have encountered in their lives, other kids redshirting is never, ever on the list of even mildly problematic things they’ve encountered. I’d honestly be pretty stressed out as a parent if they told me the redshirting of other kids bothered them, because it would show my kids lacked a healthy sense of perspective and reality. (Fortunately my kids would never do that.)

Also, you have plenty of options with private school: just go to a private school that does not redshirt. There are some schools that don’t redshirt very often if at all. I don’t understand why that concept is so hard to grasp, but with private schools you have options.

Anecdote does not equal data. It is impossible to say that allowing kids up to four months older in a class with has a 16 month range of birthdays does not effect how a teacher provides instruction to the group or how the cohort of children interact together, or how expectations of social, behavioral, and academic norms are skewed. I don't know any mainstream schools that don't redshirt. Make the cut off May 1 and stick to it.

I agree anecdotes aren’t data, so please provide links to all the solid studies showing harm. The studies should be peer reviewed and with sufficiently clean and well-sized data sample sets. If it’s such a great harm, there should be mounds of evidence by now given that people have been redshirting for 60-70 years.

Absent data, I simply cannot believe this is anything that anyone rational should ever care about. But I’m happy to change my mind if you give me a lot of good studies showing all the carefully-proven harms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

What do you believe are the downsides? DS was youngest male in his HS class, and is now at a top school, and president of his fraternity as a sophomore. It hasn’t seemed to affect him at all. He is loving life.

[Anonymous]

I’m pp…we had to sign his housing firm because he was 18, but that was the only thing about dropping him off at 17.

[Anonymous]

Ugh…sorry… was NOT 18

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

It literally does not matter, speaking as a parent who didn’t redshirt and has kids in their older teens now. If you think it matters, you have lead, so far, a pretty narrow and restricted life. Of all the things my kids have encountered in their lives, other kids redshirting is never, ever on the list of even mildly problematic things they’ve encountered. I’d honestly be pretty stressed out as a parent if they told me the redshirting of other kids bothered them, because it would show my kids lacked a healthy sense of perspective and reality. (Fortunately my kids would never do that.)

Also, you have plenty of options with private school: just go to a private school that does not redshirt. There are some schools that don’t redshirt very often if at all. I don’t understand why that concept is so hard to grasp, but with private schools you have options.

Anecdote does not equal data. It is impossible to say that allowing kids up to four months older in a class with has a 16 month range of birthdays does not effect how a teacher provides instruction to the group or how the cohort of children interact together, or how expectations of social, behavioral, and academic norms are skewed. I don't know any mainstream schools that don't redshirt. Make the cut off May 1 and stick to it.

I agree anecdotes aren’t data, so please provide links to all the solid studies showing harm. The studies should be peer reviewed and with sufficiently clean and well-sized data sample sets. If it’s such a great harm, there should be mounds of evidence by now given that people have been redshirting for 60-70 years.

Absent data, I simply cannot believe this is anything that anyone rational should ever care about. But I’m happy to change my mind if you give me a lot of good studies showing all the carefully-proven harms.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/redshirting-preschoolers-may-more-harm-110000492.html

https://www.educationnext.org/redshirting-preschoolers-may-harm-good/

https://www.2adays.com/blog/what-your-coach-hasnt-told-you-about-redshirting/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

It literally does not matter, speaking as a parent who didn’t redshirt and has kids in their older teens now. If you think it matters, you have lead, so far, a pretty narrow and restricted life. Of all the things my kids have encountered in their lives, other kids redshirting is never, ever on the list of even mildly problematic things they’ve encountered. I’d honestly be pretty stressed out as a parent if they told me the redshirting of other kids bothered them, because it would show my kids lacked a healthy sense of perspective and reality. (Fortunately my kids would never do that.)

Also, you have plenty of options with private school: just go to a private school that does not redshirt. There are some schools that don’t redshirt very often if at all. I don’t understand why that concept is so hard to grasp, but with private schools you have options.

Anecdote does not equal data. It is impossible to say that allowing kids up to four months older in a class with has a 16 month range of birthdays does not effect how a teacher provides instruction to the group or how the cohort of children interact together, or how expectations of social, behavioral, and academic norms are skewed. I don't know any mainstream schools that don't redshirt. Make the cut off May 1 and stick to it.

I agree anecdotes aren’t data, so please provide links to all the solid studies showing harm. The studies should be peer reviewed and with sufficiently clean and well-sized data sample sets. If it’s such a great harm, there should be mounds of evidence by now given that people have been redshirting for 60-70 years.

Absent data, I simply cannot believe this is anything that anyone rational should ever care about. But I’m happy to change my mind if you give me a lot of good studies showing all the carefully-proven harms.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/redshirting-preschoolers-may-more-harm-110000492.html

https://www.educationnext.org/redshirting-preschoolers-may-harm-good/

https://www.2adays.com/blog/what-your-coach-hasnt-told-you-about-redshirting/

The first two links discuss the same study on how redshirting benefits may be short lived. They do not discuss the negative effects on the other children that are not redshirted (other than saying that it’s good for younger kids to be around older kids… so maybe an advantage?)

The third discusses redshirting in college.

[Anonymous]

I think egregious redshirting (not august -I’m talking March-June) is selfish and a sad way to try and get an advantage.
That said, it rarely works.
The less smart kids are still less smart.
The poor athlete are still poor athletes.
I have three kids st a private school with lots of redshirting.

My kids are among the youngest in their grades. It no longer bothers me because now they are in HS and the kids redshirted cause they were not smart are still not smart. It doesn’t help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

It literally does not matter, speaking as a parent who didn’t redshirt and has kids in their older teens now. If you think it matters, you have lead, so far, a pretty narrow and restricted life. Of all the things my kids have encountered in their lives, other kids redshirting is never, ever on the list of even mildly problematic things they’ve encountered. I’d honestly be pretty stressed out as a parent if they told me the redshirting of other kids bothered them, because it would show my kids lacked a healthy sense of perspective and reality. (Fortunately my kids would never do that.)

Also, you have plenty of options with private school: just go to a private school that does not redshirt. There are some schools that don’t redshirt very often if at all. I don’t understand why that concept is so hard to grasp, but with private schools you have options.

Anecdote does not equal data. It is impossible to say that allowing kids up to four months older in a class with has a 16 month range of birthdays does not effect how a teacher provides instruction to the group or how the cohort of children interact together, or how expectations of social, behavioral, and academic norms are skewed. I don't know any mainstream schools that don't redshirt. Make the cut off May 1 and stick to it.

I agree anecdotes aren’t data, so please provide links to all the solid studies showing harm. The studies should be peer reviewed and with sufficiently clean and well-sized data sample sets. If it’s such a great harm, there should be mounds of evidence by now given that people have been redshirting for 60-70 years.

Absent data, I simply cannot believe this is anything that anyone rational should ever care about. But I’m happy to change my mind if you give me a lot of good studies showing all the carefully-proven harms.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/redshirting-preschoolers-may-more-harm-110000492.html

https://www.educationnext.org/redshirting-preschoolers-may-harm-good/

https://www.2adays.com/blog/what-your-coach-hasnt-told-you-about-redshirting/

So in other words, you have no data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think egregious redshirting (not august -I’m talking March-June) is selfish and a sad way to try and get an advantage.
That said, it rarely works.
The less smart kids are still less smart.
The poor athlete are still poor athletes.
I have three kids st a private school with lots of redshirting.

My kids are among the youngest in their grades. It no longer bothers me because now they are in HS and the kids redshirted cause they were not smart are still not smart. It doesn’t help.

Or, it’s selfish parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

But uh, you could also redshirt? Our child’s school effectively requires young boys to redshirt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

But uh, you could also redshirt? Our child’s school effectively requires young boys to redshirt

+1 in our 6 years of private school, my redshirted late august birthday girl has never been the oldest in the class and the youngest kid in any of her class was 11 months younger (to the day). My DD did not pu anyone at a disadvantage anymore than September/October kids do.

[Anonymous]

At my DDs private school here in DC area, I think every summer bday kid except one redshirted. So, this could end up being the case for your child as well. The advantage is not just academic but physical, it seemed to be pretty important all the way through high school (physical advantage in sports etc).

For the kids who redshirted, they all took another year at preschool and I know some did the kindergarten program at the preschool (and only did Kindergarten once at the private k-12, after redshirting).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

But uh, you could also redshirt? Our child’s school effectively requires young boys to redshirt

+1 in our 6 years of private school, my redshirted late august birthday girl has never been the oldest in the class and the youngest kid in any of her class was 11 months younger (to the day). My DD did not pu anyone at a disadvantage anymore than September/October kids do.

She absolutely did put others at a disadvantage. The whole class gets shifted and the disadvantage goes to the kids with the May and April birthdays (and any summer kids whose parents insist on not redshirting). Please face reality, your kid did benefit but at the expense of others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think egregious redshirting (not august -I’m talking March-June) is selfish and a sad way to try and get an advantage.
That said, it rarely works.
The less smart kids are still less smart.
The poor athlete are still poor athletes.
I have three kids st a private school with lots of redshirting.

My kids are among the youngest in their grades. It no longer bothers me because now they are in HS and the kids redshirted cause they were not smart are still not smart. It doesn’t help.

Wow, this is really terrible. So many assumptions. I was held back, not redshirted, had to repeat a grade. I went onto to a great college and grad school and have a wonderful career. People on this board are viscous and miserable. Some kids really do need more time physically and emotionally to develop. I have multiple kids some of whom are young, middle of the road, and older for their grade. Each child is where they should be. Your kids may be "smarter" pp but based on your comments if they follow in your footsteps they certainly will be or are unkind and short sighted--doesn't help in the game of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really gets to me are the parents who come on here and post, "Why do you care if I redshirt my kid?! What does it matter to you if I didn't want him to be the youngest?" It matters to me because holding back normally developing summer birthday kids puts non-redshirted kids at a disadvantage. Now, instead of being one year younger than the older peers, they are sometimes 15 months younger than the others. Redshirting skews the age, abilities, maturity, and social capacities of a class. I wish schools would set a cut off and hold to it.

But uh, you could also redshirt? Our child’s school effectively requires young boys to redshirt

+1 in our 6 years of private school, my redshirted late august birthday girl has never been the oldest in the class and the youngest kid in any of her class was 11 months younger (to the day). My DD did not pu anyone at a disadvantage anymore than September/October kids do.

She absolutely did put others at a disadvantage. The whole class gets shifted and the disadvantage goes to the kids with the May and April birthdays (and any summer kids whose parents insist on not redshirting). Please face reality, your kid did benefit but at the expense of others.

What because one child is born a week before the cutoff? How is this child different from a kid born a couple of weeks later? Perhaps the first child was a preemie and the second was born at 41 weeks. This is not an argument worth making.