2022 US News Best National Universities

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

+1, this is the most accurate. No need for everyone to keep arguing and nitpicking.

+1, as of Sep.15, 2021, this is about as accurate as it stands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

+1, this is the most accurate. No need for everyone to keep arguing and nitpicking.

+1, as of Sep.15, 2021, this is about as accurate as it stands.

How can something 100% arbitrary, presented without data or analysis, without any context, and entirely functionally meaningless be accurate in any way?

It's opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

+1, this is the most accurate. No need for everyone to keep arguing and nitpicking.

+1, as of Sep.15, 2021, this is about as accurate as it stands.

Duke is way too high

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s cute that Columbia, which is overwhelmingly a graduate/professional university, has ascended to the near top at USNWR. It is a superlative school for sure, but definitely has benefited by playing into the criteria used by that ranking system.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

+1, this is the most accurate. No need for everyone to keep arguing and nitpicking.

+1, as of Sep.15, 2021, this is about as accurate as it stands.

How can something 100% arbitrary, presented without data or analysis, without any context, and entirely functionally meaningless be accurate in any way?

It's opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.

People who are shocked by the rise of Columbia seem to be shocked bc Columbia is not part of HYPSM. It’s kind of like saying Brazil soccer is perennially ranked #1 in the FIFA ranking, so they can’t imagine the possibility of Colombia soccer winning the next World Cup. The World Cup winner is not based on an arbitrary ranking. You have to have a live, physical competition to determine the winner. It’s the same with the NFL championship, the NBA championship, or the MLB World Series Championship. No one’s ever settled this year’s championship based on how the teams ranked last year. Yet, people coming on here are “shocked” that a school that is not even part of the arbitrary HYPSM is at the top of the charts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

+1, this is the most accurate. No need for everyone to keep arguing and nitpicking.

+1, as of Sep.15, 2021, this is about as accurate as it stands.

How can something 100% arbitrary, presented without data or analysis, without any context, and entirely functionally meaningless be accurate in any way?

It's opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.

People who are shocked by the rise of Columbia seem to be shocked bc Columbia is not part of HYPSM. It’s kind of like saying Brazil soccer is perennially ranked #1 in the FIFA ranking, so they can’t imagine the possibility of Colombia soccer winning the next World Cup. The World Cup winner is not based on an arbitrary ranking. You have to have a live, physical competition to determine the winner. It’s the same with the NFL championship, the NBA championship, or the MLB World Series Championship. No one’s ever settled this year’s championship based on how the teams ranked last year. Yet, people coming on here are “shocked” that a school that is not even part of the arbitrary HYPSM is at the top of the charts.

Well-said, PP!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s cute that Columbia, which is overwhelmingly a graduate/professional university, has ascended to the near top at USNWR. It is a superlative school for sure, but definitely has benefited by playing into the criteria used by that ranking system.

+1

True that the undergrad program has historically been overshadowed by its professional schools, but it's still very comparable to the HYPSM in terms of outcomes. Did not go to Columbia myself, but if you look at the # of prominent undergraduate alumni in politics, business, academia, and especially the arts and entertainment it has produced over the years, it's definitely a well-respected program and merits the position where it is today. Maybe not #2, but definitely a top 5 school, holistically speaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s cute that Columbia, which is overwhelmingly a graduate/professional university, has ascended to the near top at USNWR. It is a superlative school for sure, but definitely has benefited by playing into the criteria used by that ranking system.

No idea what this means since everyone knows that Columbia has a very strong undergraduate presence

[Anonymous]

I find it fascinating there are so many Columbia haters on this board. Either that or some weird HYP fanatics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it fascinating there are so many Columbia haters on this board. Either that or some weird HYP fanatics.

Columbia is a good mid-tier Ivy. end of discussion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it fascinating there are so many Columbia haters on this board. Either that or some weird HYP fanatics.

Don't believe Columbia even has $10B in endowment??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it fascinating there are so many Columbia haters on this board. Either that or some weird HYP fanatics.

Columbia is a good mid-tier Ivy. end of discussion

End of discussion always means the opposite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Less than 20% would choose Columbia over Princeton. Stop making things up that they are close peers, they are not. Columbia is a peer of Chicago, Penn etc

Maybe in your imagination, dear. Get a grip on reality. Times change. This is not the 1980s. It's a whole new level of competition.

My kid would totally choose Columbia over Princeton, if given the option. New York alone is enough to choose Columbia over Princeton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Duke is way too high

Duke sucks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Duke is way too high

Duke sucks