2022 US News Best National Universities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it like 80-20% Princeton for cross-admits?

The last time i heard of Princeton in the news was when brook shield published her Princeton transcript. That incident caused a scandal because people realized Princeton is a micky mouse University with basket weaving courses. It’s easy to graduate from P with a high GPA. This goes a long way in explaining its popularity.

This shows how little you know, because applications to Princeton are affected by its reputation among the Ivies for grade deflation. And yet it retains its #1 ranking on US News and has a 4.0% admission rate. Sorry if you/your kid was in the 96.0% rejected.

Um... Princeton wasn’t on anyone’s mind in my family. One of the celebrity’s kids from my kid’s HS got in. It’s kind of like Oxford-trained Amal Clooney marrying Clooney for $$$$$ and fame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it like 80-20% Princeton for cross-admits?

The last time i heard of Princeton in the news was when brook shield published her Princeton transcript. That incident caused a scandal because people realized Princeton is a micky mouse University with basket weaving courses. It’s easy to graduate from P with a high GPA. This goes a long way in explaining its popularity.

This shows how little you know, because applications to Princeton are affected by its reputation among the Ivies for grade deflation. And yet it retains its #1 ranking on US News and has a 4.0% admission rate. Sorry if you/your kid was in the 96.0% rejected.

“Most Students at Princeton Receive A's... 55 percent of course grades were in the A-range. ... So, yes, grade inflation is alive and well at Princeton...”

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/ivy-league/grade-inflation-at-princeton/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it like 80-20% Princeton for cross-admits?

The last time i heard of Princeton in the news was when brook shield published her Princeton transcript. That incident caused a scandal because people realized Princeton is a micky mouse University with basket weaving courses. It’s easy to graduate from P with a high GPA. This goes a long way in explaining its popularity.

This shows how little you know, because applications to Princeton are affected by its reputation among the Ivies for grade deflation. And yet it retains its #1 ranking on US News and has a 4.0% admission rate. Sorry if you/your kid was in the 96.0% rejected.

Um... Princeton wasn’t on anyone’s mind in my family. One of the celebrity’s kids from my kid’s HS got in. It’s kind of like Oxford-trained Amal Clooney marrying Clooney for $$$$$ and fame.

Well if the rest of your fam has a mind like yours, good thing no one was interested in princeton. An annectdotal illogical argument like that is not a good indicator of what princeton is likely looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Less than 20% would choose Columbia over Princeton. Stop making things up that they are close peers, they are not. Columbia is a peer of Chicago, Penn etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Less than 20% would choose Columbia over Princeton. Stop making things up that they are close peers, they are not. Columbia is a peer of Chicago, Penn etc

Princeton is #1 because of their easy grading policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Less than 20% would choose Columbia over Princeton. Stop making things up that they are close peers, they are not. Columbia is a peer of Chicago, Penn etc

They attract different student bodies. That's about it. They are a lot closer than you would think. Stop making things about how Princeton is much superior than Columbia, Chicago, or even Penn when in fact it really isn't. And it's dead last in HYPSM when it comes down to student preferences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

[Anonymous]

Stanford for all-aroundness. Period

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Less than 20% would choose Columbia over Princeton. Stop making things up that they are close peers, they are not. Columbia is a peer of Chicago, Penn etc

Maybe in your imagination, dear. Get a grip on reality. Times change. This is not the 1980s. It's a whole new level of competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Less than 20% would choose Columbia over Princeton. Stop making things up that they are close peers, they are not. Columbia is a peer of Chicago, Penn etc

They attract different student bodies. That's about it. They are a lot closer than you would think. Stop making things about how Princeton is much superior than Columbia, Chicago, or even Penn when in fact it really isn't. And it's dead last in HYPSM when it comes down to student preferences.

Ouch.... that must have hurt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Columbia belongs with Penn and Chicago

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford Yale
MIT Princeton
Columbia Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

Undergraduate:
Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford MIT
Columbia
Penn Chicago
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth Brown Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
Yale MIT
Columbia Princeton Berkeley
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Caltech JHU Cornell Brown

H/S for all-roundedness. Yale and MIT for top-notch programs in either the arts or sciences, plus graduate schools.

Princeton does not have professional schools except Woodrow Wilson (PSIA). You also made it seem as if Columbia's law school, business school, and medical schools don't matter. Columbia also has top-notch journalism, architecture, and performing arts programs.

I thought we had a consensus on this? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

+1, this is the most accurate. No need for everyone to keep arguing and nitpicking.

[Anonymous]

I think it’s cute that Columbia, which is overwhelmingly a graduate/professional university, has ascended to the near top at USNWR. It is a superlative school for sure, but definitely has benefited by playing into the criteria used by that ranking system.