SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't Kristin Davis on Melrose Place and she portrayed a psycho? Honestly I can't really remember but I *think* she was good in that role.

I don't think she's as good as the other actresses but I think her criticism has been overblown. I actually think it's a testament to her acting that on the original SATC, people didn't think she was acting- they just thought she was Charlotte. She's not. I don't think it's a role that lends itself to an Emmy or other Award. She's beautiful and looks like a Park Ave princess and we all know how to act prudish. Not meaty like Miranda or Samantha.

She was very good. So good that Darren Star who created both shows wanted her for SATC.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was the thing with Stanford handled so terribly? If they needed to refer to a reason he's not coming back, how about saying his is just loving his life in Japan? The character would never randomly become a monk, that is not believable at all.

I think just to make it permanent. If Stanford moved to Japan it would be weird that he would never come to New York to visit, or no one would go see him in Japan.

I know it would have been difficult, but they needed to do justice to his character by having his character pass away. It could have been a condition that would have “explained” his erratic behavior, as people sometimes do before they die, from brain tumors and such. They could have had an off-screen sister or something be with him in Japan for his final months, and pass on the news to Carrie and Anthony. It would have been a better ending for the character and for Willie Garson.

Agreed. The monk storyline was just so dumb and disgraceful. Horribly sloppy writing and character development. Ugh.

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Another better ending for Stanford would have simply been that, while in Japan, he got several great clients and made a big success of it, so he wanted to focus on life there and was at peace with giving Anthony their apartment and starting fresh. There was no need to become a freaking monk. Just having him be successful and happy in Japan would have been fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has changed the dialogue to make it sound like LTW might have had a medical abortion. The line is:

“I just need a minute to wrap my head around this new reality. I will. I always do.”

She doesn’t say she’ll “handle it” or “take care of it.” Quite the opposite: earlier she admitted she had thought about it but decided not to.

I don’t get the need for this particular conspiracy theory. It’s clear there was no need for LTW to deceive her husband my faking a miscarriage. She even willingly goes to the hospital with him.

I think the entirely of the discussion left it more ambiguous. He tells her she can handle it, You always do. He says he will "help." He never offers more than that, except permission to terminate if that's what she wants. The conversation ends with it all being on her. She lies back down with clearly a lot of thoughts. Her comment, "I always do," is said immediately in follow up to the need to wrap her around around her situation, but the repetitive phrasing of "I always do" sounds like she's connecting to his previous comment as well.

PP is right. Lisa literally says she doesn't want to get an abortion. A miscarriage is totally realistic, this is not some covert abortion. You are really weird.

It was the usual American television cop out. Heaven forbid someone actually have an abortion. The second she said that she wouldn’t, I told myself, “Here comes the convenient miscarriage.”

For how the real world works, watch the Canadian series, “Working Moms.” It’s wonderful on many levels. Ivan Reitman’s daughter created it and stars in it.

Carrie had an abortion.
Samantha had TWO abortions.
Miranda came so close she was in the medical office.

How many main characters in one fictional world need to have abortions to make you either:
A) Understand that the women (and men like LTW’s husband) are pro-choice and seriously consider it to be an option, or
B) Feel better about having yours?

Carrie and Samantha discussed those abortions as something in the past (like college for Samantha). It’s the most common surgery for women in the US, and 25% of women have one. If women would talk about it then maybe we could get more support. And no I don’t regret it all. Never for one second. And I don’t know a single woman who has regretted it.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has changed the dialogue to make it sound like LTW might have had a medical abortion. The line is:

“I just need a minute to wrap my head around this new reality. I will. I always do.”

She doesn’t say she’ll “handle it” or “take care of it.” Quite the opposite: earlier she admitted she had thought about it but decided not to.

I don’t get the need for this particular conspiracy theory. It’s clear there was no need for LTW to deceive her husband my faking a miscarriage. She even willingly goes to the hospital with him.

I think the entirely of the discussion left it more ambiguous. He tells her she can handle it, You always do. He says he will "help." He never offers more than that, except permission to terminate if that's what she wants. The conversation ends with it all being on her. She lies back down with clearly a lot of thoughts. Her comment, "I always do," is said immediately in follow up to the need to wrap her around around her situation, but the repetitive phrasing of "I always do" sounds like she's connecting to his previous comment as well.

PP is right. Lisa literally says she doesn't want to get an abortion. A miscarriage is totally realistic, this is not some covert abortion. You are really weird.

It was the usual American television cop out. Heaven forbid someone actually have an abortion. The second she said that she wouldn’t, I told myself, “Here comes the convenient miscarriage.”

For how the real world works, watch the Canadian series, “Working Moms.” It’s wonderful on many levels. Ivan Reitman’s daughter created it and stars in it.

Carrie had an abortion.
Samantha had TWO abortions.
Miranda came so close she was in the medical office.

How many main characters in one fictional world need to have abortions to make you either:
A) Understand that the women (and men like LTW’s husband) are pro-choice and seriously consider it to be an option, or
B) Feel better about having yours?

Carrie and Samantha discussed those abortions as something in the past (like college for Samantha). It’s the most common surgery for women in the US, and 25% of women have one. If women would talk about it then maybe we could get more support. And no I don’t regret it all. Never for one second. And I don’t know a single woman who has regretted it.

Miscarriages are also common. And if more women talked about them, we could get more support.

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I don't know why everyone assumes Carrie won't go to Norfolk. Maybe the conversation with Samantha will be - "there's more to the world than NYC. Follow your heart and go be with Aidan."

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has changed the dialogue to make it sound like LTW might have had a medical abortion. The line is:

“I just need a minute to wrap my head around this new reality. I will. I always do.”

She doesn’t say she’ll “handle it” or “take care of it.” Quite the opposite: earlier she admitted she had thought about it but decided not to.

I don’t get the need for this particular conspiracy theory. It’s clear there was no need for LTW to deceive her husband my faking a miscarriage. She even willingly goes to the hospital with him.

I think the entirely of the discussion left it more ambiguous. He tells her she can handle it, You always do. He says he will "help." He never offers more than that, except permission to terminate if that's what she wants. The conversation ends with it all being on her. She lies back down with clearly a lot of thoughts. Her comment, "I always do," is said immediately in follow up to the need to wrap her around around her situation, but the repetitive phrasing of "I always do" sounds like she's connecting to his previous comment as well.

PP is right. Lisa literally says she doesn't want to get an abortion. A miscarriage is totally realistic, this is not some covert abortion. You are really weird.

It was the usual American television cop out. Heaven forbid someone actually have an abortion. The second she said that she wouldn’t, I told myself, “Here comes the convenient miscarriage.”

For how the real world works, watch the Canadian series, “Working Moms.” It’s wonderful on many levels. Ivan Reitman’s daughter created it and stars in it.

Carrie had an abortion.
Samantha had TWO abortions.
Miranda came so close she was in the medical office.

How many main characters in one fictional world need to have abortions to make you either:
A) Understand that the women (and men like LTW’s husband) are pro-choice and seriously consider it to be an option, or
B) Feel better about having yours?

Carrie and Samantha discussed those abortions as something in the past (like college for Samantha). It’s the most common surgery for women in the US, and 25% of women have one. If women would talk about it then maybe we could get more support. And no I don’t regret it all. Never for one second. And I don’t know a single woman who has regretted it.

Well, I do know women who regretted it. Know how I know that? Women talk about it.

There is no taboo topic on SATC. Sorry you are feeling defensive for whatever reason, but a married, mid-40s or 50something woman who already has kids deciding to keep an unplanned pregnancy after considering abortion, then ending up having a miscarriage, is not a far-fetched storyline. I challenge you to search related terms right here on DCUM, and you will find that very scenario played out in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has changed the dialogue to make it sound like LTW might have had a medical abortion. The line is:

“I just need a minute to wrap my head around this new reality. I will. I always do.”

She doesn’t say she’ll “handle it” or “take care of it.” Quite the opposite: earlier she admitted she had thought about it but decided not to.

I don’t get the need for this particular conspiracy theory. It’s clear there was no need for LTW to deceive her husband my faking a miscarriage. She even willingly goes to the hospital with him.

I think the entirely of the discussion left it more ambiguous. He tells her she can handle it, You always do. He says he will "help." He never offers more than that, except permission to terminate if that's what she wants. The conversation ends with it all being on her. She lies back down with clearly a lot of thoughts. Her comment, "I always do," is said immediately in follow up to the need to wrap her around around her situation, but the repetitive phrasing of "I always do" sounds like she's connecting to his previous comment as well.

PP is right. Lisa literally says she doesn't want to get an abortion. A miscarriage is totally realistic, this is not some covert abortion. You are really weird.

It was the usual American television cop out. Heaven forbid someone actually have an abortion. The second she said that she wouldn’t, I told myself, “Here comes the convenient miscarriage.”

For how the real world works, watch the Canadian series, “Working Moms.” It’s wonderful on many levels. Ivan Reitman’s daughter created it and stars in it.

Carrie had an abortion.
Samantha had TWO abortions.
Miranda came so close she was in the medical office.

How many main characters in one fictional world need to have abortions to make you either:
A) Understand that the women (and men like LTW’s husband) are pro-choice and seriously consider it to be an option, or
B) Feel better about having yours?

Carrie and Samantha discussed those abortions as something in the past (like college for Samantha). It’s the most common surgery for women in the US, and 25% of women have one. If women would talk about it then maybe we could get more support. And no I don’t regret it all. Never for one second. And I don’t know a single woman who has regretted it.

Why do you need “support” for a choice you made, if you don’t regret it and don’t know any woman who regrets it? I will support your right to have that choice and be able to make that choice, but if it’s all so la-dee-da, what “support” do you need?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has changed the dialogue to make it sound like LTW might have had a medical abortion. The line is:

“I just need a minute to wrap my head around this new reality. I will. I always do.”

She doesn’t say she’ll “handle it” or “take care of it.” Quite the opposite: earlier she admitted she had thought about it but decided not to.

I don’t get the need for this particular conspiracy theory. It’s clear there was no need for LTW to deceive her husband my faking a miscarriage. She even willingly goes to the hospital with him.

I think the entirely of the discussion left it more ambiguous. He tells her she can handle it, You always do. He says he will "help." He never offers more than that, except permission to terminate if that's what she wants. The conversation ends with it all being on her. She lies back down with clearly a lot of thoughts. Her comment, "I always do," is said immediately in follow up to the need to wrap her around around her situation, but the repetitive phrasing of "I always do" sounds like she's connecting to his previous comment as well.

PP is right. Lisa literally says she doesn't want to get an abortion. A miscarriage is totally realistic, this is not some covert abortion. You are really weird.

It was the usual American television cop out. Heaven forbid someone actually have an abortion. The second she said that she wouldn’t, I told myself, “Here comes the convenient miscarriage.”

For how the real world works, watch the Canadian series, “Working Moms.” It’s wonderful on many levels. Ivan Reitman’s daughter created it and stars in it.

Carrie had an abortion.
Samantha had TWO abortions.
Miranda came so close she was in the medical office.

How many main characters in one fictional world need to have abortions to make you either:
A) Understand that the women (and men like LTW’s husband) are pro-choice and seriously consider it to be an option, or
B) Feel better about having yours?

Carrie and Samantha discussed those abortions as something in the past (like college for Samantha). It’s the most common surgery for women in the US, and 25% of women have one. If women would talk about it then maybe we could get more support. And no I don’t regret it all. Never for one second. And I don’t know a single woman who has regretted it.

Miscarriages are also common. And if more women talked about them, we could get more support.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't Kristin Davis on Melrose Place and she portrayed a psycho? Honestly I can't really remember but I *think* she was good in that role.

I don't think she's as good as the other actresses but I think her criticism has been overblown. I actually think it's a testament to her acting that on the original SATC, people didn't think she was acting- they just thought she was Charlotte. She's not. I don't think it's a role that lends itself to an Emmy or other Award. She's beautiful and looks like a Park Ave princess and we all know how to act prudish. Not meaty like Miranda or Samantha.

I'm also rewatching SATC and Kristin Davis is really good in the first two seasons -- very different, not cutesy, more of an adult.

they are actually all much better in the first two season, more like real people.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't Kristin Davis on Melrose Place and she portrayed a psycho? Honestly I can't really remember but I *think* she was good in that role.

I don't think she's as good as the other actresses but I think her criticism has been overblown. I actually think it's a testament to her acting that on the original SATC, people didn't think she was acting- they just thought she was Charlotte. She's not. I don't think it's a role that lends itself to an Emmy or other Award. She's beautiful and looks like a Park Ave princess and we all know how to act prudish. Not meaty like Miranda or Samantha.

I'm also rewatching SATC and Kristin Davis is really good in the first two seasons -- very different, not cutesy, more of an adult.

they are actually all much better in the first two season, more like real people.

+100. The first two seasons were really special because it was Darren Starr, not Michael Patrick King. The press and attention had also not had a chance to get to SJP and Patricia Field’s heads quite as much. SJP’s self-awareness of Being Iconic Carrie took a lot away from her performance and from the character, in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.

We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.

It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.

99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.

This is really unfair given that SATC gave two out of its four main characters abortion histories. Also, “Women older than age 35 have a higher risk of miscarriage than do younger women. At age 35, you have about a 20 percent risk. At age 40, the risk is about 40 percent. And at age 45, it's about 80 percent.” Giving her a full-term pregnancy at her age is the least plausible storyline. The actress who play LTW is 52. Not sure how old her character is supposed to be.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298#:~:text=Women%20older%20than%20age%2035,45%2C%20it's%20about%2080%20percent.

Is she really 52? Wow - I thought she was a decade younger.

I really liked this week's episode. Che, of course, is the effin worst - if you're going to be that un-self aware about what a d**k you are, at LEAST be funny.

Loved Nya's response to the pregnancy.

I really felt for Aiden and Carrie. I think it's clear they are going to have to split - I mena, it was clear from the beginning, but now we see why; it's because Aiden is a good person and Carrie is also a good person, so neither of them is going to push for him to not be there for his son. It's kind of heartbreaking. It's actually heartbreaking! But maybe - I didn't come up with this - Miranda will move in with Carrie and they can each have at least one bathroom to themselves.

I don't know - am I crazy or has this show gotten good? I liked Charlotte's storyline this week, too!

Since when? She has always been insanely self absorbed and shallow.

Carrie not walking out with Miranda during Che's horrific set was the last straw for me. she is NOT a good friend.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.

We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.

It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.

99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.

This is really unfair given that SATC gave two out of its four main characters abortion histories. Also, “Women older than age 35 have a higher risk of miscarriage than do younger women. At age 35, you have about a 20 percent risk. At age 40, the risk is about 40 percent. And at age 45, it's about 80 percent.” Giving her a full-term pregnancy at her age is the least plausible storyline. The actress who play LTW is 52. Not sure how old her character is supposed to be.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298#:~:text=Women%20older%20than%20age%2035,45%2C%20it's%20about%2080%20percent.

Is she really 52? Wow - I thought she was a decade younger.

I really liked this week's episode. Che, of course, is the effin worst - if you're going to be that un-self aware about what a d**k you are, at LEAST be funny.

Loved Nya's response to the pregnancy.

I really felt for Aiden and Carrie. I think it's clear they are going to have to split - I mena, it was clear from the beginning, but now we see why; it's because Aiden is a good person and Carrie is also a good person, so neither of them is going to push for him to not be there for his son. It's kind of heartbreaking. It's actually heartbreaking! But maybe - I didn't come up with this - Miranda will move in with Carrie and they can each have at least one bathroom to themselves.

I don't know - am I crazy or has this show gotten good? I liked Charlotte's storyline this week, too!

Since when? She has always been insanely self absorbed and shallow.

Carrie not walking out with Miranda during Che's horrific set was the last straw for me. she is NOT a good friend.

It never ceases to amaze me how people don’t get what writers and producers need characters to do or not do, to move the plot along or set a scene.

The writers needed Miranda to walk out *alone* so that Che could follow and Che and Miranda could have a blow-up confrontation, uninterrupted.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have had LTW get an abortion. Such a missed opportunity for meaningful storytelling, especially in the current political climate.

We already had two main characters—Carrie and Samantha—talk about their abortion experiences. We don’t need a third main character to go through that. I think a lot more women of LTW’s age related to getting unexpectedly pregnant at an advanced maternal age, feeling conflicted but deciding to keep it, then losing it. In fact, there have been numerous threads about that on DCUM.

It is probably the most realist outcome, at her age.

99% of unwanted pregnancies on TV shows magically end in miscarriage rather than abortion. It's such a cowardly and tired storyline.

This is really unfair given that SATC gave two out of its four main characters abortion histories. Also, “Women older than age 35 have a higher risk of miscarriage than do younger women. At age 35, you have about a 20 percent risk. At age 40, the risk is about 40 percent. And at age 45, it's about 80 percent.” Giving her a full-term pregnancy at her age is the least plausible storyline. The actress who play LTW is 52. Not sure how old her character is supposed to be.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-loss-miscarriage/symptoms-causes/syc-20354298#:~:text=Women%20older%20than%20age%2035,45%2C%20it's%20about%2080%20percent.

Is she really 52? Wow - I thought she was a decade younger.

I really liked this week's episode. Che, of course, is the effin worst - if you're going to be that un-self aware about what a d**k you are, at LEAST be funny.

Loved Nya's response to the pregnancy.

I really felt for Aiden and Carrie. I think it's clear they are going to have to split - I mena, it was clear from the beginning, but now we see why; it's because Aiden is a good person and Carrie is also a good person, so neither of them is going to push for him to not be there for his son. It's kind of heartbreaking. It's actually heartbreaking! But maybe - I didn't come up with this - Miranda will move in with Carrie and they can each have at least one bathroom to themselves.

I don't know - am I crazy or has this show gotten good? I liked Charlotte's storyline this week, too!

Since when? She has always been insanely self absorbed and shallow.

Carrie not walking out with Miranda during Che's horrific set was the last straw for me. she is NOT a good friend.

It never ceases to amaze me how people don’t get what writers and producers need characters to do or not do, to move the plot along or set a scene.

The writers needed Miranda to walk out *alone* so that Che could follow and Che and Miranda could have a blow-up confrontation, uninterrupted.

Many a good friend would have had the self-awareness to let their friend have a confrontation with an ex. They still could have walked out with their friend. It never ceases to amaze me how people don't get that writers and producers need to take into account what friends would or would not do in a situation. Also, are a you screenwriter? Why so defensive about a viewers' opinion that Carrie, in that moment and for whatever logistical reason in the writers room about which you seem to be confident, was a bad friend? Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why everyone assumes Carrie won't go to Norfolk. Maybe the conversation with Samantha will be - "there's more to the world than NYC. Follow your heart and go be with Aidan."

I really hope so. This past season, even in spite of NYC, her Original Lover, she seems so apathetic. Maybe she’s outgrown the city?