ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

DP. Yep. And when you kill someone through officer-created exigency and outside the scope of justification, there are consequences. Ask Chauvin about that.

+1 And they’re doing it over and over again, in violation of a 9-0 decision from this Supreme Court last year (Barnes v Felix)

It’s almost like people shouldn’t be interfering with federal agents doing their jobs (something legal to do) by trying to intimidate, block, or ram them with their cars (something illegal to do). No adult with a functioning IQ and sense of accountability is moved that entitled, violent, idiots voluntarily put themselves in harms way because they don’t like that laws of this country are being enforced. We don’t care if they are “mommies” who care more about sticking it to Trump more than their own children as they abandon them to play revolutionary.

FYI, the defense attorney won't be making your whiny arguments.

The defense attorney is going to have a field day going through her voluminous violent and unhinged texts and emails.

Would you like to share with us under what theory of law and evidence those texts and emails would become relevant and admissible in a trial of the agent's actions?

Probably the same theory of law in which ICE is law enforcement and has jurisdiction over US citizens.

These people who claim to love America don’t even understand the BASICS.

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Anonymous wrote:Ross's own video clearly shows her cranking the steering wheel to the right, AWAY from him, BEFORE he shoots. He didn't shoot because he thought she was going to run him over, he shot her because he didn't want her to get away. He was determined to get her, and didn't care if it was dead or alive.

You think he was looking at the wheels of a 4000 lb car after she gunned the engine and he had to make a split second decision involving a car that was arms distance away?

Ordinary people do it in parking lots every single day. And a split second decision means stepping to the side. Not stepping into the vehicle to discharge a weapon three times.

For one, I would never knowingly move in my car in a parking lot if someone,
anyone, was as close to my car as these officers were. Let alone armed officers I had been harassing and were trying to arrest me.

Second, these weren’t “ordinary” people in the wrong place at the wrong time minding their own business. They had been following, heckling, and using their car to block the officers. It’s plausible to think the officer, in the moment, felt like she was trying to run him down.

Protesting and heckling are not punishable by death.

Stop defending murder. You are depraved.

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Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

They weren’t in the course of official business. They should have stayed in their cars and driven around.

She should have moved…

Only on DCUM is it normal behavior for 2 women to follow law enforcement for hours, berating and blocking them.

Amazingly, most people manage to live their entire lives without spending even one day doing that.

We’re gonna start charging you folks for completely irrelevant takes lmao

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

The command was not lawful. Don’t allow these clowns to gaslight you. This entire interaction was unlawful on ICE’s part.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Wonderful! Remember not to make waves when your daughter is taken by unidentified, masked, arm men and “disappeared” (i.e. sex trafficked).

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

They weren’t in the course of official business. They should have stayed in their cars and driven around.

She should have moved…

Only on DCUM is it normal behavior for 2 women to follow law enforcement for hours, berating and blocking them.

Amazingly, most people manage to live their entire lives without spending even one day doing that.

They aren't regular law enforcement. They are thugs trampling daily on human rights, harassing US Citizens and legal immigrants as well, and now they are murderers. People should protest human rights violations and murder, don't you think?

Stop defending murder. Stop defending your laziness and apathy as normal behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

FA FO

And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

They weren’t in the course of official business. They should have stayed in their cars and driven around.

She was waving cars by her. You can clearly see it in the videos. There was no obstruction. ICE once again over reacts and this time it's murder.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Exactly. Look for trouble, you may find it. Avoid putting yourself deliberately in a position of conflict with those whose capacity to impose their will on you exceeds your ability to resist them and live happily ever after.

So you agree that the ICE agents should have stayed in their vehicles and simply driven around her, as all the other vehicles had successfully managed to? Rather than initiate a completely unlawful confrontation? Great!

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Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

ICE has no jurisdiction over US citizens. They are not trained police. There is NO valid instruction they can give to a US Citizen that is lawful.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

+1

Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

FA FO

And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

There was no justification for this shooting. You can lie all you want and throw up your hands and claim law abiding people won't be harmed, but ICE is pulling this every day. They are not law abiding. People have a LAWFUL right to protest their bad behavior.

You have no leg to stand on. You condone murder.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

I understand that perfectly. None of her decisions or actions warranted her being shot in her car.

His decisions and actions better have some severe consequences. Like a lifetime in jail.

See how that actually works?

Dipshit.

You can call people names all day long. I did not say she deserved to be shot or die. I said every decision, every action has an outcome. Your name-calling doesn't change that fact about life.

Her outcome was murder. His outcome has just begun with him fleeing his home.

OP here. Yes, because of the bad choice he made.

She's murdered, and now his family suffers his consequences.

Yes, it's always sad when a person's poor choices impact innocent victims and loved ones.

His poor family will always be known to be related to a cold blooded murderer of a mother.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

+1

Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

FA FO

And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

Why is the onus on acting rationally only on non-ICE? I have plenty of family in law enforcement and stepping in front of a car and then using fatal force is not protocol at all. For one you don’t think it is banters more people to shoot someone driving a car? She very easily could have died in a way so her foot was on the accelerator and plowed into a crowd of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.