ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

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And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

Why is the onus on acting rationally only on non-ICE? I have plenty of family in law enforcement and stepping in front of a car and then using fatal force is not protocol at all. For one you don’t think it is banters more people to shoot someone driving a car? She very easily could have died in a way so her foot was on the accelerator and plowed into a crowd of people.

Think that is a MAGA fave after C'ville.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

+1

Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

FA FO

And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

YOU don’t, obviously. You’d wet your pants at the mere sight of a gun in real life. But you obviously take vicarious pleasure in watching your MAGA heros murders liberals.

So the statement stands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ICE agent was out of line for trying to force open her door.

He gave her a lawful command to exit the vehicle. At that point she was being detained. He then attempted to open the door. She attempted to flee.

They were not on a mission. They were literally on break and heading back to their HQ. There is not a lawful command they could have given because there was no warrant or other official activity they were conducting.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Wonderful! Remember not to make waves when your daughter is taken by unidentified, masked, arm men and “disappeared” (i.e. sex trafficked).

Stupid analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

+1

Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

FA FO

And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

There was no justification for this shooting. You can lie all you want and throw up your hands and claim law abiding people won't be harmed, but ICE is pulling this every day. They are not law abiding. People have a LAWFUL right to protest their bad behavior.

You have no leg to stand on. You condone murder.

She was an agitator and warning others of ICE. Unfortunately, she paid the price.

So...do you think all the people at J6 should have been gunned down? Apparently you think "agitating" is worthy of death on sight?

You condone murder. Plain and simple. You don't belong among civilized people.

[Anonymous]

I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

The command was not lawful. Don’t allow these clowns to gaslight you. This entire interaction was unlawful on ICE’s part.

You realize that ICE has the authority to detain a U.S. citizen if they interfere with their duties, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Also endangered anybody down the street of vehicle manned by a dead driver.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

The command was not lawful. Don’t allow these clowns to gaslight you. This entire interaction was unlawful on ICE’s part.

You realize that ICE has the authority to detain a U.S. citizen if they interfere with their duties, right?

You realize they don't have authority to shoot twice into a driver side window, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

The command may have been. Forcing the door open was not.

The command was not lawful. Don’t allow these clowns to gaslight you. This entire interaction was unlawful on ICE’s part.

You realize that ICE has the authority to detain a U.S. citizen if they interfere with their duties, right?

NP. We do. How come 90% of the charges over the past year don't stick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let everyone not forget how this all started, which was with fictitious, completely unproven claims of daycare fraud that they’ve used as an excuse to invade a community, which is now resulted in the murder of one of the citizens of Minneapolis.

This is how they’re going to invade every city moving forward.

All paid for with our tax dollars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Also endangered anybody down the street of vehicle manned by a dead driver.

If you look at the video there is an intersection with a stoplight the direction the car was going. If the car veered at a different angle it would have gone straight through it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she just obeyed the lawful command to exit her vehicle.

Then what? She would have been violently thrown to the pavement with a knee in her back as seen in numerous ICE videos? He wouldn't have had a chance to murder her? Where are you gong with this?

She’d be alive.

How can any American who knows anything about American history say that with confidence? You just can't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go on.

Interfere with ICE agents during the course of their official business is obstruction of justice. That’s the law. That’s why the command to exit the vehicle was lawful.

What official business were they on? Noem said they were coming back from an assignment and got stuck in the snow.

And anyway, nothing they did from the time they got out of the car was legal or ethical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major metropolitan police department in the South and let me tell you, any cop who handled an encounter the way this ICE officer did would’ve been strung up by internal affairs within 2 minutes.

1) No body cam (can you imagine real cops taking out their cell phones to film an encounter, breaking all manner of policies regarding privacy)?

2) Jumping out of a generic silver pickup truck with nothing identifying it as a law enforcement vehicle.

3) Officers not identifying themselves and immediately running up and escalating the situation by screaming swear words and pulling on the door handle (no cop in a million years would do this; you keep your distance, make verbal contact first, deescalate, ensure the scene is secure—hands on steering wheel etc—then approach the suspect).

4) Accosting a citizen when there’s no report of her in distress or engaged in illegal activity. In other words, she’s not a suspect. If she’s impeding traffic or a law enforcement activity, you tell her to move along. If she refuses to comply, there are procedures for detaining her in a safe, secure manner.

5) Firing at a moving vehicle, including through the driver’s side window, endangering other people’s lives who might be standing on the other side of the vehicle (bullets go through a car door like tin foil)

6) There’s more, but the point is this ICE officer failed at every level. At worst, Renee Good was protesting ICE and being a bit obnoxious about it. She clearly was not trying to harm anyone. She might’ve panicked with all these gunmen screaming at her, She might’ve just said “F it” and tried to drive off. Whatever the case, this is 100% on this ICE officer and the practices (they’re not really even policies) of the ICE terror regime.

Ross will be charged for murder and endangering others.

The other officer who tried to force the door open needs to be charged as well.

We don’t live in Russia. ICE has a very narrowly defined law enforcement function. They can’t be allowed to continue to terrorize citizens.