Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

Maybe it is true that fixing the existing Wolftrap split should not have been as high of a priority as other factors since it wasn't as egregious of a split percentage, but what is being lost here is that Scenarios 1-3 made the split much worse. A huge portion of the Wolftrap students that are currently zoned for Kilmer were shifted to Thoreau, leaving the Kilmer group a much smaller percentage. Additional surrounding neighborhoods were shifted out of Marshall and into Madison. So the frustration isn't as much with the current situation (even though I personally think split feeders in any percentage are bad), but that scenarios 1-3 not only ignored the region's wishes to not have Wolftrap be a split feeder at all, and instead made it a worse split feeder.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

People have been asking for two years why Kilmer's capacity numbers have fluctuated so much. If they haven't looked into this and concluded they are comfortable with the current capacity numbers that show Kilmer as so overcrowded (118% with modular, 153% without the modular) and inform Thru's proposals, it raises much bigger questions about the competence of FCPS's Facilities staff.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

Maybe it is true that fixing the existing Wolftrap split should not have been as high of a priority as other factors since it wasn't as egregious of a split percentage, but what is being lost here is that Scenarios 1-3 made the split much worse. A huge portion of the Wolftrap students that are currently zoned for Kilmer were shifted to Thoreau, leaving the Kilmer group a much smaller percentage. Additional surrounding neighborhoods were shifted out of Marshall and into Madison. So the frustration isn't as much with the current situation (even though I personally think split feeders in any percentage are bad), but that scenarios 1-3 not only ignored the region's wishes to not have Wolftrap be a split feeder at all, and instead made it a worse split feeder.

I don’t think anyone is fighting to reinstate Scenario 3. It was ridiculous. The argument being made is that if the TOV can not be removed from Madison, then both Wolftrap and Westbriar should be split along the same line they’re currently split for high school, and that split should be implemented at the middle school level. So the existing split feeders will occur at middle school instead of high school. That is what’s being argued.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

As a Wolftrap homeowner, I don't really care about if it is Madison or Marshall. I just want the whole school to move together, and don't want to change the community around Wolftrap. Most people I know consider Wolftrap to be their community (not either high school) and would like to see that remain consistent for their kids that spend 7 years of their school lives at this one school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

Everyone is different, but changing pyramids for families is very unpopular and often emotionally detrimental to the kids. Families crave stability.

That is what the school board is taking away from all of us. Every five years, in perpetuity.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

AP is preferable to IB among FCPS families overall.

For the Marshall neighborhoods at Wolftrap, which are north of the school, Madison is about 4 miles away and 13 minutes non-rush. Marshall is over 5 miles away and 15 minutes non-rush. However, at busier times, which coincide with when parents are often dropping off or picking up kids from HS, it can take twice as long to get to Marshall as Madison because you have to go through Tysons to get to Marshall.

The other aspect is that Madison is considered the "Vienna HS," so people in Vienna who live outside the Town of Vienna but still participate in a lot of town activities generally would prefer to send their kids there if that's possible. Not everyone, of course, but most.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

All of the above.

We have heard some of the families that spoke at the hearing two days ago for YEARS tell their kid he will play football at Madison, because that's the better football team (even tough they are zoned for Marshall.) Vienna people are kind of rabid about their sports.

We have heard the parents who didn't pay attention when they bought a house realize they want AP and not IB (though if they bothered they would realize IB has a lot of advantages and in FCPS is used just like AP - a la carte - with the added option of the diploma.)

And, sadly, they really don't like the brown people at Marshall. At the meeting I overheard one of the Wolftrap parents talk about how Marshall will go downhill so "we are better off sticking together". When the woman he was talking to asked what he was on about, he just wink-winked.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

Who created the maps? Staff or THRU?

And why are they showing maps to the public and getting no people all upset if they are not vetted? I swear she just says things to get people to calm down in the moment. As soon as someone is freaking out about a change she’s all “don’t worry that’s just a super drafty draft” regardless of whether that’s true. The school board must be beyond frustrated with her because then they have to clean up her mess. She is just telling everyone what they want to hear while they’re in front of her. I wouldn’t trust anything she says at this point.

Why are they doing 7 revidions to the county wide rezoning maps, based on who complains the most on the previous map?

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

All of the above.

We have heard some of the families that spoke at the hearing two days ago for YEARS tell their kid he will play football at Madison, because that's the better football team (even tough they are zoned for Marshall.) Vienna people are kind of rabid about their sports.

We have heard the parents who didn't pay attention when they bought a house realize they want AP and not IB (though if they bothered they would realize IB has a lot of advantages and in FCPS is used just like AP - a la carte - with the added option of the diploma.)

And, sadly, they really don't like the brown people at Marshall. At the meeting I overheard one of the Wolftrap parents talk about how Marshall will go downhill so "we are better off sticking together". When the woman he was talking to asked what he was on about, he just wink-winked.

Why is it that we only ever hear about skin color from the social justice warriors? SJWs always equate going “downhill” and concepts like that with skin color and it’s super disgusting. They pretend that others are racist, but it’s really just an admission on their part. It’s part of their equity playbook

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

AP is preferable to IB among FCPS families overall.

For the Marshall neighborhoods at Wolftrap, which are north of the school, Madison is about 4 miles away and 13 minutes non-rush. Marshall is over 5 miles away and 15 minutes non-rush. However, at busier times, which coincide with when parents are often dropping off or picking up kids from HS, it can take twice as long to get to Marshall as Madison because you have to go through Tysons to get to Marshall.

The other aspect is that Madison is considered the "Vienna HS," so people in Vienna who live outside the Town of Vienna but still participate in a lot of town activities generally would prefer to send their kids there if that's possible. Not everyone, of course, but most.

It has nothing to do with commute, distances, etc. These people desperately wish they lived in Vienna proper, and want to cosplay more that they do. That's it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

What is driving the love for Madison amongst Wolf Trap families? Is it AP in some cases providing more college credits or receiving an IB diploma takes more effort than just AP courses? Is it these families struggle with economic and ethnic diversity and would rather go to a less diverse or "more well off" school? Is it sports oriented families that recognize Madison as the stronger school from that perspective? As mentioned before, it is currently a fairly equal split between Marshall and Madison at Madison and the distance these neighborhoods are to Madison or Marshall are very similar / almost identical.

As a Wolftrap homeowner, I don't really care about if it is Madison or Marshall. I just want the whole school to move together, and don't want to change the community around Wolftrap. Most people I know consider Wolftrap to be their community (not either high school) and would like to see that remain consistent for their kids that spend 7 years of their school lives at this one school.

I believe all of Wolf Trap goes to Kilmer and then the split occurs or has that changed? Based on capacity issues at Kilmer it seems to make sense for the split to occur at middle school with the Wolf Trap families currently zoned for Marshall going to Kilmer and those zoned for Madison going to Thoreau. I imagine as students progress to high school they will see that and not the elementary school as their community during those years. The first months away from old friends at a new school may be challenging but I believe students are resilient and will make new friendships and don't have to leave old friends behind. Ultimately elementary schools will always be considered more the community as they are smaller, represent a longer period of time, and are generally closer to where people live. I think your word "want" hit it perfectly. This is a want not a need.

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either

need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

Well good thing for her these meetings were not being recorded. Because the wolftrap students will have to be moved. I heard them say that too at the last meetings break out group. The fcps rep said that will be the only big change the westbriar/wolftrap switch

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

At the WSHS meeting, she said that at the beginning, but by the end of the night after hearing all the complaints by the 2 neighborhoods still getting rezoned in 4, she said that Map 3 is going to be revisted.

Map 3 has some very disruptive changes on it for that area, including split feeders and changing elementary schools to farther away schools.

Map 5 is going to be interesting, especially if it reverts back to some of the major changes that were part of map 3, and allows neighborhoods that were moved in all the scenarios to remain.

I think she was referencing Rolling Valley using scenario 3. I would be shocked if they went back to that Hunt Valley plan of moving half the school to SoCo.

Didn’t Dr. Ried say at some point that scenario 3 for HV was an error?

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Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either

need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

Well good thing for her these meetings were not being recorded. Because the wolftrap students will have to be moved. I heard them say that too at the last meetings break out group. The fcps rep said that will be the only big change the westbriar/wolftrap switch

Who’s to say some parents weren’t recording and in any event Melanie Meren was there when Reid repeatedly told the Wolftrap families now at Marshall they’d still be moved to Madison. If they reverse this I’d expect Meren to excoriate Reid at a future School Board meeting and for this to be the beginning of the end of Reid’s tenure as superintendent. You can’t just show up, make false statements because you want to be everyone’s friend, and walk away unscathed.