Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

[Anonymous]

The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

Who created the maps? Staff or THRU?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

Who created the maps? Staff or THRU?

. I believe staff. She made a comment that they were rushed to present something to the community about the possibilities for the new high school at the open house they held last Saturday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

What does Madison’s enrollment look like if they undo the Wolftrap and Westbriar changes? I think it ends up under 2100 at a school recently expanded to 2500.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

Who created the maps? Staff or THRU?

. I believe staff. She made a comment that they were rushed to present something to the community about the possibilities for the new high school at the open house they held last Saturday.

Actually, one of the maps made very good sense--if they made a minor adjustment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

She was talking about the 4 maps they posted for the Western High School.

Who created the maps? Staff or THRU?

And why are they showing maps to the public and getting no people all upset if they are not vetted? I swear she just says things to get people to calm down in the moment. As soon as someone is freaking out about a change she’s all “don’t worry that’s just a super drafty draft” regardless of whether that’s true. The school board must be beyond frustrated with her because then they have to clean up her mess. She is just telling everyone what they want to hear while they’re in front of her. I wouldn’t trust anything she says at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

What does Madison’s enrollment look like if they undo the Wolftrap and Westbriar changes? I think it ends up under 2100 at a school recently expanded to 2500.

^ It’s 2103 this year and they’d still pick up the small area from Vienna ES that feeds to Marshall.

Still, makes the expansion look like a waste of money. Although if they renege on moving the Marshall piece of Wolftrap to Madison I expect there will be a spike in pupil placements to Madison for AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

What does Madison’s enrollment look like if they undo the Wolftrap and Westbriar changes? I think it ends up under 2100 at a school recently expanded to 2500.

If only there were some Thoreau/Marshall students from Stenwood and Cunningham Park who could utilize Madison’s new capacity without putting more stress on Thoreau MS projected enrollment.

But to answer your question, if you take out the Wolftrap/Marshall kids, Madison would only gain 16 students from Vienna ES and stay at 88%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

What does Madison’s enrollment look like if they undo the Wolftrap and Westbriar changes? I think it ends up under 2100 at a school recently expanded to 2500.

If only there were some Thoreau/Marshall students from Stenwood and Cunningham Park who could utilize Madison’s new capacity without putting more stress on Thoreau MS projected enrollment.

But to answer your question, if you take out the Wolftrap/Marshall kids, Madison would only gain 16 students from Vienna ES and stay at 88%

What hideous planning expanded Madison that much? Marshall renovation wasn't that far before Madison - why wasn't that correctly sized? When they do these renovations or school purchases they need to be specific on why - capacity needs within existing boundaries or expansion of boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

Capacity at Kilmer can be resolved by sending existing Kilmer/Madison students to Thoreau. That is the only change needed to get them below 105%

Wolftrap/Marshall families’ dream of moving to Madison was put into peril when Westbriar/Madison families demanded to stay at Madison. If those students stay at Madison, they either need to move to Thoreau, which pushes the school above 105% or they will stay at Kilmer and it will remain a split feeder (something like 4%)

Marshall families will not be happy if the result of this exercise leaves them with more split feeders in their pyramid than what they started with (only Madison schools are being fixed and Shrevewood is turning into a split feeder) and an attendance island for Kilmer/Marshall.

Reid was asked multiple times "If the Westbriar families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Marshall remain at Madison, will the Wolftrap families that Scenario 4 proposes to move to Madison still move to Madison?"

In each instance, she said yes. In at least one instance, she interrupted someone asking the question to say yes. She said she'd met with the principals of both Marshall (Litz) and Madison (Calvert) and the numbers still worked.

I don't see how they do a 180 turn without Reid forever losing credibility in the community. At a minimum, she ought to schedule an in-person meeting at Wolftrap, apologize profusely in person, and explain why they might have since concluded they need to leave Wolftrap a split feeder, whether it's to avoid overcrowding Thoreau, avoid driving up the FARMS rate at Marshall, avoid making the existing attendance island at Westbriar worse, etc.

And even then more will start pupil placing to Madison, because they've had Madison and AP dangled right in front of their faces by FCPS and Reid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

What does Madison’s enrollment look like if they undo the Wolftrap and Westbriar changes? I think it ends up under 2100 at a school recently expanded to 2500.

If only there were some Thoreau/Marshall students from Stenwood and Cunningham Park who could utilize Madison’s new capacity without putting more stress on Thoreau MS projected enrollment.

But to answer your question, if you take out the Wolftrap/Marshall kids, Madison would only gain 16 students from Vienna ES and stay at 88%

What hideous planning expanded Madison that much? Marshall renovation wasn't that far before Madison - why wasn't that correctly sized? When they do these renovations or school purchases they need to be specific on why - capacity needs within existing boundaries or expansion of boundaries.

Madison expansion isn’t as egregious as other expansions. If they were serious about fixing feeder patterns, scenario 1 would have had Marshall out of Thoreau MS. That would have shifted about 125-150 kids out of Marshall to Madison while correcting a horribly balanced MS feeder. Madison utilization would be between 93-95% and Marshall around 95%.

Next step would be to fix the Kilmer split feeder and capacity. Moving Madison students out of Kilmer would reduce it by about 133 seats (+8 from Vienna ES) which gets you to 105% with a grade size of around 535. Thoreau would only be gaining existing Madison students and its capacity would be 103% or around 710 students per grade. When people see utilization, I don’t think they’re really grasping how huge the class size will be.

On top of that is the mystery surrounding why Kilmer mysteriously loss 200 seats in the first place, which kicked off its previously unheard of capacity crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The split at wolftrap should not have been a priority as it was an almost even split. But Kilmer needed help.

The change to middle school AAP will help Kilmer and the capacity information being used at Kilmer is suspect at best. Agree, the Wolftrap changes are unnecessary and should not occur.

What does Madison’s enrollment look like if they undo the Wolftrap and Westbriar changes? I think it ends up under 2100 at a school recently expanded to 2500.

If only there were some Thoreau/Marshall students from Stenwood and Cunningham Park who could utilize Madison’s new capacity without putting more stress on Thoreau MS projected enrollment.

But to answer your question, if you take out the Wolftrap/Marshall kids, Madison would only gain 16 students from Vienna ES and stay at 88%

That's never been proposed. Those kids live closer to Marshall than the kids at Wolftrap, in addition to which you don't have to travel through Tysons to get to Marshall from Dunn Loring Woods and Stonewall Manor (the opposite is the case for Wolftrap kids). In fact, if you live next door to Thoreau right now, you go to Marshall.

Further, Marshall kids were at Thoreau long before Oakton kids were. If they were really concerned about overcrowding at Thoreau, why aren't they looking at moving Oakton kids back to Jackson, since Jackson already stands to lose kids when all MS have AAP.