Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

She’s also said they have about a dozen open “hot spot” areas and it seems likely the Westbriar island is one of them. Turning what was just an ES island to an ES-MS-HS island is a problem.

no one at any meeting i went to complained about the westbriar island. at the marshall meeting she mentioned there were some islands people don’t really care about. it would be an easy move into sunrise valley and SLHS especially if SL gets moved into KAA and has 20% capacity. or they would say too bad to the wolf trap people who pushed back about westbriar being part of wolf trap. or stop pupil placements at langley. but i dont see them driving langley over 105% and then moving other people out in this round. reid and the SB are over this process. they dont want to open more cans of worms

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Have they ever split any SPA

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Anonymous wrote:She really does have a way of making people feel like she has heard them and will fix it

1000%. I have interacted with Dr. Reid several times, and I always come away thinking "wow - she really listened to me and understands my concerns."

The other thing she does really well is remember names in the moment. At the West Springfield/Lake Braddock meeting, three students spoke. Several questions later, she referenced back to what the students said and used their names in her comments. I would remember what the students said but their names would have gone in one side of my brain and out the other. She definitely has a super power or some trick to keep several names in her short term memory.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

She’s also said they have about a dozen open “hot spot” areas and it seems likely the Westbriar island is one of them. Turning what was just an ES island to an ES-MS-HS island is a problem.

no one at any meeting i went to complained about the westbriar island. at the marshall meeting she mentioned there were some islands people don’t really care about. it would be an easy move into sunrise valley and SLHS especially if SL gets moved into KAA and has 20% capacity. or they would say too bad to the wolf trap people who pushed back about westbriar being part of wolf trap. or stop pupil placements at langley. but i dont see them driving langley over 105% and then moving other people out in this round. reid and the SB are over this process. they dont want to open more cans of worms

I imagine the only options they’ll consider is Wolftrap/Marshall families stay at Marshall or Kilmer/Marshall get an attendance island. I doubt they’ll try to throw anything else at the wall this late into the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

At the WSHS meeting, she said that at the beginning, but by the end of the night after hearing all the complaints by the 2 neighborhoods still getting rezoned in 4, she said that Map 3 is going to be revisted.

Map 3 has some very disruptive changes on it for that area, including split feeders and changing elementary schools to farther away schools.

Map 5 is going to be interesting, especially if it reverts back to some of the major changes that were part of map 3, and allows neighborhoods that were moved in all the scenarios to remain.

I think she was referencing Rolling Valley using scenario 3. I would be shocked if they went back to that Hunt Valley plan of moving half the school to SoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

She’s also said they have about a dozen open “hot spot” areas and it seems likely the Westbriar island is one of them. Turning what was just an ES island to an ES-MS-HS island is a problem.

no one at any meeting i went to complained about the westbriar island. at the marshall meeting she mentioned there were some islands people don’t really care about. it would be an easy move into sunrise valley and SLHS especially if SL gets moved into KAA and has 20% capacity. or they would say too bad to the wolf trap people who pushed back about westbriar being part of wolf trap. or stop pupil placements at langley. but i dont see them driving langley over 105% and then moving other people out in this round. reid and the SB are over this process. they dont want to open more cans of worms

I imagine the only options they’ll consider is Wolftrap/Marshall families stay at Marshall or Kilmer/Marshall get an attendance island. I doubt they’ll try to throw anything else at the wall this late into the process.

So, five more years of Westbriar kids getting bussed past Colvin Run on their way to Westbriar? These people truly suck at their jobs.

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they could go to sunrise valley where there is room and where the island is equidistance to there as colvin run. or move the wolf trap group who through a fit and put westbriar there. they are going to add to a pyramid and put it overcapacity

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*aren’t going to add

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The process is obviously corrupt. There’s no other way you start out with an ES island and end up with an ES-MS-HS island. It’s very clear who’s getting screwed and who always gets protected.

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Anonymous wrote:Have Oakton people tried to take over the Chantilly meeting?

Yes, there was someone from Crossfield advocating to keep with Oakton.

Couple more in the breakout session.

The squeeky wheel will get oiled.

The question is how many people are quietly calling or emailing the school board with a different opinion. No one wants to speak out publicly against people who are being so vocal, that they have to see all the time.

That may be the case, but the navy/crossfield cohort is known for being super vocal and catered too.

I am a Crossfield parent and feel like I am being bullied and iced out of things for having a different opinion than some of our neighbors.

I’m sorry to hear that but can’t say I’m surprised given the individuals involved. Please call your school board rep’s office and tell them how you feel so they know that the loud voices aren’t the only voices. You will get a call back from one of their staffers and can explain that not everyone feels comfortable speaking up publicly because of certain social dynamics. The school board members need to hear from the entire community not just the ones used to pushing to get what they want in every situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Have Oakton people tried to take over the Chantilly meeting?

Yes, there was someone from Crossfield advocating to keep with Oakton.

Couple more in the breakout session.

The squeeky wheel will get oiled.

The question is how many people are quietly calling or emailing the school board with a different opinion. No one wants to speak out publicly against people who are being so vocal, that they have to see all the time.

That may be the case, but the navy/crossfield cohort is known for being super vocal and catered too.

I am a Crossfield parent and feel like I am being bullied and iced out of things for having a different opinion than some of our neighbors.

I’m sorry to hear that but can’t say I’m surprised given the individuals involved. Please call your school board rep’s office and tell them how you feel so they know that the loud voices aren’t the only voices. You will get a call back from one of their staffers and can explain that not everyone feels comfortable speaking up publicly because of certain social dynamics. The school board members need to hear from the entire community not just the ones used to pushing to get what they want in every situation.

Agree. I assume you are a Sully district parent. I have not called, but I did get a written response to an email I wrote asking that KAA be a traditional high school and not a magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:The process is obviously corrupt. There’s no other way you start out with an ES island and end up with an ES-MS-HS island. It’s very clear who’s getting screwed and who always gets protected.

the group that screwed westbriar this round is wolf trap. one scenario got rid of the island and wolf trap had a fit

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Anonymous wrote:The process is obviously corrupt. There’s no other way you start out with an ES island and end up with an ES-MS-HS island. It’s very clear who’s getting screwed and who always gets protected.

the group that screwed westbriar this round is wolf trap. one scenario got rid of the island and wolf trap had a fit

Let's just stick with the current boundaries for this whole Westbriar and Wolf Trap area! AAP at every middle school will help with overcrowding at Kilmer and Mclean High renovation with future redistricting can help with overcrowding at Marshall. At the very least let's see how things play out with the middle school change next year.

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Someone posted earlier that Reid said that the scenarios had not be "vetted." Does she mean that staff never looked at them to check for known issues?

What do these people get paid to do?

Hard to believe that Reid (who did not know about issues in Rt 1 corridor) is weighing in on boundaries and answering? questions.

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Anonymous wrote:The process is obviously corrupt. There’s no other way you start out with an ES island and end up with an ES-MS-HS island. It’s very clear who’s getting screwed and who always gets protected.

the group that screwed westbriar this round is wolf trap. one scenario got rid of the island and wolf trap had a fit

The Region 5 BRAC priorities clearly suggested moving the Westbriar island to closer Colvin Run. Who do you think had a “fit” to make sure that didn’t happen, even when it made obvious sense?