Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You seem to think that test scores are an accurate and fair indicator of merit? Many schools are not asking for test scores at all this year with good reason due to lack of testing availability in the pandemic. But testing was already on the way out and may not return.

DP
What is your definition of merit?
You don't care if your surgeon has failed the board certificate but still operates on you?

Attending Yale or Harvard is not surgery. But that said, The quality and accomplishments of the admitted class is extremely high. How many Yale or Harvard admits are failing tests?

These schools invest an enormous amount of money and effort into boosting the graduation rate of under qualified URNs that are admitted through affirmative action. I don’t think it’s a great use of resources but they obviously feel the need to cover their tracks.

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I think it is a good use of resources. Better then shoring up the squash team or a shuttle bus to the equestrian facility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that even Harvard, which presumably could skim the cream of the crop, can't find sufficient numbers of qualified URMs to meet their racial quotas and must provide significant handicaps to blacks and latinos.

Don’t forget about unqualified white athletes that outnumber both other group every single year I’m sure that was just an oversight on your part and not your racism speaking

Go look at the data on the quant scores of white athletes vs. URMs and get back to me. Facts are inconvenient.

Ok, I’ve got a fact for you: At Harvard at most 28% of recruited white athletes received a 2 or higher in academic rating. For African American admits overall that figure was 59%. I might not use fancy jargon like “quant” but I do know that 28% is less than 59%

http://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/legacyathlete.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Promotion of underserved groups is totally justified given the educational barriers facing individuals and communities of color are tied to long-standing, systemic conditions. Racially segregated schooling, limited access to rigorous precollege curricula, poor college counseling, widening wealth gaps and other societal and historical forces all contribute to inequities in college access for too many students of color. It's time for those of us from privilege to speak aside and allow others to advance for a while.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Promotion of underserved groups is totally justified given the educational barriers facing individuals and communities of color are tied to long-standing, systemic conditions. Racially segregated schooling, limited access to rigorous precollege curricula, poor college counseling, widening wealth gaps and other societal and historical forces all contribute to inequities in college access for too many students of color. It's time for those of us from privilege to speak aside and allow others to advance for a while.

blah blah blah systemic blah blah blah privilege. You can throw all the BS words into a sentence you want and it will not make it okay to racially discriminate against asians in college admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:meritocracy based on what? maybe that poster wants to only fly on planes designed by great test takers but I sure dont.

You’d prefer to fly on a plane designed by a random imbecile who got a degree because they could bounce a ball?

Can we stop with this meaningless aerospace engineer example as it is entirely unenlightening?

you are talking to different posters but sure. How about demanding the NBA be more diverse no? ok how about NBA training camps then and you know it's not fair that many recruits go to camps and prep for basketball from an early age....... See how ridiculous that all is, but that's the exact same argument folks are using about college admissions

Well, you did it.

You found an example dumber than the aerospace engineer. The old "NBA" canard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You seem to think that test scores are an accurate and fair indicator of merit? Many schools are not asking for test scores at all this year with good reason due to lack of testing availability in the pandemic. But testing was already on the way out and may not return.

DP
What is your definition of merit?
You don't care if your surgeon has failed the board certificate but still operates on you?

Attending Yale or Harvard is not surgery. But that said, The quality and accomplishments of the admitted class is extremely high. How many Yale or Harvard admits are failing tests?

These schools invest an enormous amount of money and effort into boosting the graduation rate of under qualified URNs that are admitted through affirmative action. I don’t think it’s a great use of resources but they obviously feel the need to cover their tracks.

1. You have no evidence of your claims.
2. Racial balance in college admissions is not affirmative action.
3. You appear to be a racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:meritocracy based on what? maybe that poster wants to only fly on planes designed by great test takers but I sure dont.

You’d prefer to fly on a plane designed by a random imbecile who got a degree because they could bounce a ball?

Can we stop with this meaningless aerospace engineer example as it is entirely unenlightening?

you are talking to different posters but sure. How about demanding the NBA be more diverse no? ok how about NBA training camps then and you know it's not fair that many recruits go to camps and prep for basketball from an early age....... See how ridiculous that all is, but that's the exact same argument folks are using about college admissions

Well, you did it.

You found an example dumber than the aerospace engineer. The old "NBA" canard.

You're right, the aerospace engineering example is soooo stupid and unrealistic. Intelligent asians are all being turned down from majoring in Greek Mythology and Women's Studies. Excellent point

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Promotion of underserved groups is totally justified given the educational barriers facing individuals and communities of color are tied to long-standing, systemic conditions. Racially segregated schooling, limited access to rigorous precollege curricula, poor college counseling, widening wealth gaps and other societal and historical forces all contribute to inequities in college access for too many students of color. It's time for those of us from privilege to speak aside and allow others to advance for a while.

blah blah blah systemic blah blah blah privilege. You can throw all the BS words into a sentence you want and it will not make it okay to racially discriminate against asians in college admissions

blah blah blah. the action refers to white and asian people not just asian. who are you to say this one is worthy and that one is not. get in line with everyone else that wants admittance to Yale and good luck to your kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Is there really any advantage to going to an ivy league school other than bragging rights? Ivy league schools are so last century.

If you don't care, then don't bother posting here. move on.

I don't really care if my kids attend ivies. Honestly, I don't expect them to. However, discrimination is wrong. Why should ivies get a pass at discriminating against people?

If you’re going to talk about “discrimination “, it would help to say what you mean by that. Picking a diverse class of strong students from different backgrounds with different interests is not how I would define it. Yale classes typically include students from most — if not all states and US territories. So a white kid from Montana might get a spot over yet another white kid from Connecticut. If the kid from Montana fences and overcame obstacles in his or her life and the kid from Connecticut has more commonly represented interests, the kid from Montana will have the edge. If people really want to address the issue of potential discrimination, they should be looking at ALL of the students who get in, including the legacies, and including the white kids. But that’s not what this case and these discussions have been about. No surprises there — given who’s supporting them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Promotion of underserved groups is totally justified given the educational barriers facing individuals and communities of color are tied to long-standing, systemic conditions. Racially segregated schooling, limited access to rigorous precollege curricula, poor college counseling, widening wealth gaps and other societal and historical forces all contribute to inequities in college access for too many students of color. It's time for those of us from privilege to speak aside and allow others to advance for a while.

blah blah blah systemic blah blah blah privilege. You can throw all the BS words into a sentence you want and it will not make it okay to racially discriminate against asians in college admissions

The dead giveaway for this tired poster is she only cares about one group (=ASIANS), not social justice or equal opportunity generally. Her instincts are ENTIRELY self-serving.

If her kids were black, she would be the loudest affirmative action advocate out there.

She has not principles, she only has insular interests. So much for the greater good.

[Anonymous]

The action is about whites and asians. Now those two groups can do battle as to who should get all the spots at Yale taken away from the undeserving. That will be interesting.

[Anonymous]

URMs even from H or Yale typically don’t do well post-H or post-Yale. They do as well as mediocre white college grads from Podunk U.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:URMs even from H or Yale typically don’t do well post-H or post-Yale. They do as well as mediocre white college grads from Podunk U.

Lots of white and asian grads from H or Y do as well as mediocre podunk u grads as well. No one has guaranteed mega success, H and Y grads of all stripes included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:URMs even from H or Yale typically don’t do well post-H or post-Yale. They do as well as mediocre white college grads from Podunk U.

Prove it. Based on what criteria? You haven’t even bothered to state what you mean by “do as well”. I’m guessing that you know very little about Harvard and Yale grads.