Liberals: How can you, in good conscience, support illegal immigrants?

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Anonymous wrote:This is kind of a straw man. I don't support illegal immigration. But it happens and we have to deal with it in a rational and proportional way. And if we want to get serious about it, go after the employers who hire people who are undocumented. Instead of making undocumented people out to be the boogeyman. Sorry. You aren't unemployed because some undocumented worker took your job.

This is how I feel about it too.

I met an undocumented family years ago. The parents came here to leave a desperate situation back home and have taken terrible jobs (including poultry industry) to try to make ends meet. The dad has been sent home a few times. Their lives are very precarious. Despite all of their troubles they are very kind and very hard working. I have a great amount of sympathy for them even though I don't think they should have come here illegally. But they were in a bad situation - not sure what I would have done differently myself if I were in their shoes.

The poultry factory where they work is terrible. They seem to be blatantly breaking the law and going unpunished. Plus the working conditions are terrible. Seems unjust that this family and others are being prosecuted but this company goes unscathed.

Agree with both PPs. A woman who used to care for a neighbor's daughter was here illegally and she fled her home country after her entire immediate family, including a younger brother, was killed by gang warfare. She came to the US as a 17 year old girl - no family at home and only a distant relative in the DC area. People like this woman are fleeing terror at home and while I don't think entering the country illegally is okay, now that she's here she should be treated humanely and with a path to citizenship. She is hardworking, two jobs (both menial but nevertheless she works them) and she has taught herself English.

So you both agree, that it is not ok to enter and stay in a country illegally. And the consequence for this is....?

The grand coveted price for so many in the world: US citizenship?

Seriously? Don't you see, how nonsensical this is, and how unfair?

Do you know, how many people in the world want US citizenship?
Do you know, how many millions of people in this world are in a "bad situation" as you put it?

Do you take the illegally entering and staying people for stupid? They know that there is no consequence, and they know that there is citizenship for their children. And lots of other benefits other countries cannot offer!

Do you know, how many countries they pass through, that are perfectly ok to live in, after they have escaped their untenable situation?

Oh, and : The poultry farm might seem horrible to your naive mind, but there are many jobs that you'd view as "disgusting", or dangerous, that are carried out by Legal US residents every day, imagine that! ...and the entire world has people working "disgusting" jobs in every country, jobs, that are difficult, jobs that are dangerous.

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America can not handle millions and millions of poor people because their lives are horrible in their own country. Their own country need to figure this out. We went holiday vacation to couple of poor countries and saw the extreme rich and poor. Please don’t say we have the same here, we do but nothing like other countries that I have seen. People need to learn to take care their own people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is kind of a straw man. I don't support illegal immigration. But it happens and we have to deal with it in a rational and proportional way. And if we want to get serious about it, go after the employers who hire people who are undocumented. Instead of making undocumented people out to be the boogeyman. Sorry. You aren't unemployed because some undocumented worker took your job.

This is how I feel about it too.

I met an undocumented family years ago. The parents came here to leave a desperate situation back home and have taken terrible jobs (including poultry industry) to try to make ends meet. The dad has been sent home a few times. Their lives are very precarious. Despite all of their troubles they are very kind and very hard working. I have a great amount of sympathy for them even though I don't think they should have come here illegally. But they were in a bad situation - not sure what I would have done differently myself if I were in their shoes.

The poultry factory where they work is terrible. They seem to be blatantly breaking the law and going unpunished. Plus the working conditions are terrible. Seems unjust that this family and others are being prosecuted but this company goes unscathed.

Agree with both PPs. A woman who used to care for a neighbor's daughter was here illegally and she fled her home country after her entire immediate family, including a younger brother, was killed by gang warfare. She came to the US as a 17 year old girl - no family at home and only a distant relative in the DC area. People like this woman are fleeing terror at home and while I don't think entering the country illegally is okay, now that she's here she should be treated humanely and with a path to citizenship. She is hardworking, two jobs (both menial but nevertheless she works them) and she has taught herself English.

So you both agree, that it is not ok to enter and stay in a country illegally. And the consequence for this is....?

The grand coveted price for so many in the world: US citizenship?

Seriously? Don't you see, how nonsensical this is, and how unfair?

Do you know, how many people in the world want US citizenship?
Do you know, how many millions of people in this world are in a "bad situation" as you put it?

Do you take the illegally entering and staying people for stupid? They know that there is no consequence, and they know that there is citizenship for their children. And lots of other benefits other countries cannot offer!

Do you know, how many countries they pass through, that are perfectly ok to live in, after they have escaped their untenable situation?

Oh, and : The poultry farm might seem horrible to your naive mind, but there are many jobs that you'd view as "disgusting", or dangerous, that are carried out by Legal US residents every day, imagine that! ...and the entire world has people working "disgusting" jobs in every country, jobs, that are difficult, jobs that are dangerous.

+1,000
America can not handle millions and millions of poor people because their lives are horrible in their own country. Their own country need to figure this out. We went holiday vacation to couple of poor countries and saw the extreme rich and poor. Please don’t say we have the same here, we do but nothing like other countries that I have seen. People need to learn to take care their own people.

Agree. We also went in vacation and remarked to each other how there was virtually no middle class - either they're rich, or they're poor. Why don't these countries redistribute money from the rich to the poor? I'll tell you why. They'd rather keep all their riches and send their poor to America, where our rich (and middle class!) can support them.

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There is a reason we used to spend foreign aid to help establish a middle class in these other countries. Cutting that aid in 2017 is a big mistake.

[Anonymous]

America can not handle millions and millions of poor people because their lives are horrible in their own country. Their own country need to figure this out. We went holiday vacation to couple of poor countries and saw the extreme rich and poor. Please don’t say we have the same here, we do but nothing like other countries that I have seen. People need to learn to take care their own people.
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Hey sorry but the potatoes wouldn't grow in Ireland so my forefathers came here.

What's your excuse?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is kind of a straw man. I don't support illegal immigration. But it happens and we have to deal with it in a rational and proportional way. And if we want to get serious about it, go after the employers who hire people who are undocumented. Instead of making undocumented people out to be the boogeyman. Sorry. You aren't unemployed because some undocumented worker took your job.

This is how I feel about it too.

I met an undocumented family years ago. The parents came here to leave a desperate situation back home and have taken terrible jobs (including poultry industry) to try to make ends meet. The dad has been sent home a few times. Their lives are very precarious. Despite all of their troubles they are very kind and very hard working. I have a great amount of sympathy for them even though I don't think they should have come here illegally. But they were in a bad situation - not sure what I would have done differently myself if I were in their shoes.

The poultry factory where they work is terrible. They seem to be blatantly breaking the law and going unpunished. Plus the working conditions are terrible. Seems unjust that this family and others are being prosecuted but this company goes unscathed.

Agree with both PPs. A woman who used to care for a neighbor's daughter was here illegally and she fled her home country after her entire immediate family, including a younger brother, was killed by gang warfare. She came to the US as a 17 year old girl - no family at home and only a distant relative in the DC area. People like this woman are fleeing terror at home and while I don't think entering the country illegally is okay, now that she's here she should be treated humanely and with a path to citizenship. She is hardworking, two jobs (both menial but nevertheless she works them) and she has taught herself English.

Again: this woman, here illegally, should get to jump ahead of all the other immigrants who have waited patiently for years to LEGALLY become citizens? Why?

I never understand do why people think it is ok to reward illegals for path to citizenship while millions people are waiting for many many years to come here.

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Anonymous wrote:You anti-immigrant folks give yourselves away with the constant little references to alleged handouts, immigrants lacking decency, etc. You reveal not just your ignorance about immigration as a public policy issue but also your bias/racism against certain nationalities.

The key word used is nationalities. The nationality is NOT citizen of the USA. I do not get to choose my nationality and Mexico has stricter laws than the USA on immigration. Since when does the nation called Mexico run the USA?

Nothing is enough for these Mexicans. Check out DACA message boards. When the USA had the Irish famine immigrants we knew more about who entered than we do now. Feinstein, Obama, etc have changed their positions for politics. This whole thing is ridiculous. SSI for grannie from another country. Medicare enrollment and subsidies. Mexicans whining because proposals for DACA don't include any and all relatives...

Whose country is this? Mine or Mexicans?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't support illegal immigration. I support fixing the problem by prosecuting employers who hire them. I don't feel that trying to improve your situation is bad but exploiting workers is. If you eliminate employment opportunities, it will make immigrating illegally far less appealing. The problem is no one has the balls to go after employers!

Agree.
Also no free school , free school lunches or free health care.

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https://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=80614&page=2

Call US politicians incompetent. Good-go back from whence you came. The problem is US politicians want votes and US citizens for the most part can't voice their beliefs because DACA /illegals hijacked racist/bigot labels.

Why is my government more concerned with non-citizens than citizens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You anti-immigrant folks give yourselves away with the constant little references to alleged handouts, immigrants lacking decency, etc. You reveal not just your ignorance about immigration as a public policy issue but also your bias/racism against certain nationalities.

The key word used is nationalities. The nationality is NOT citizen of the USA. I do not get to choose my nationality and Mexico has stricter laws than the USA on immigration. Since when does the nation called Mexico run the USA?

Nothing is enough for these Mexicans. Check out DACA message boards. When the USA had the Irish famine immigrants we knew more about who entered than we do now. Feinstein, Obama, etc have changed their positions for politics. This whole thing is ridiculous. SSI for grannie from another country. Medicare enrollment and subsidies. Mexicans whining because proposals for DACA don't include any and all relatives...

Whose country is this? Mine or Mexicans?


As of now, it seams illegals rule this country. American Government spends way too much time and $ for illegals and illegals have power to shutdown our country.

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I am liberal and I don't support illegal immigration or even all those HB1 visa holders who are taking professional jobs from US citizens.

But I have nothing against people who were brought here as small children, who have grown up here and who want a legal pathway to citizenship.

And, if employers would stop hiring illegal immigrants then most would not be here.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually stopped voting for the Democrats over this issue. The party has gone insane.

Me too. They take care illegals over American people! My foreign born legal immigrant friends are laughing at this .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You anti-immigrant folks give yourselves away with the constant little references to alleged handouts, immigrants lacking decency, etc. You reveal not just your ignorance about immigration as a public policy issue but also your bias/racism against certain nationalities.

The key word used is nationalities. The nationality is NOT citizen of the USA. I do not get to choose my nationality and Mexico has stricter laws than the USA on immigration. Since when does the nation called Mexico run the USA?

Nothing is enough for these Mexicans. Check out DACA message boards. When the USA had the Irish famine immigrants we knew more about who entered than we do now. Feinstein, Obama, etc have changed their positions for politics. This whole thing is ridiculous. SSI for grannie from another country. Medicare enrollment and subsidies. Mexicans whining because proposals for DACA don't include any and all relatives...

Whose country is this? Mine or Mexicans?

Maybe ask a Native American?

And thanks for proving my point!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=80614&page=2

Call US politicians incompetent. Good-go back from whence you came. The problem is US politicians want votes and US citizens for the most part can't voice their beliefs because DACA /illegals hijacked racist/bigot labels.

Why is my government more concerned with non-citizens than citizens?

I ask this question everyday and I was not even born here. I have been law abiding citizen for many years now and see liberals defend criminal illegals all the time. My husband works for DHS on bonds, $1.6 billion, 250,000 criminal cases. These people are out on bond but they keep committing crimes ! The cases are never ending.

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I don't support illegal immigration, but I have compassion. Something Rs seem to be missing a lot of these days.

-signed a former R

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Anonymous wrote:I am liberal and I don't support illegal immigration or even all those HB1 visa holders who are taking professional jobs from US citizens.

But I have nothing against people who were brought here as small children, who have grown up here and who want a legal pathway to citizenship.

And, if employers would stop hiring illegal immigrants then most would not be here.

and that would be many R farmers. I'll ask again.. if ICE really wanted to go after ALL illegal immigrants, why not raid the farms. About half of those workers are illegal immigrants. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. What's the point of raiding 7/11s and greyhound buses when you will get a handful of illegal immigrants, when you could get hundreds just by going out to the farms?