UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Had the victim called an ambulance and done a rape kit and had photos taken I doubt she would have been put through the grinder. She would have had their DNA all over her. They would only need to go after one of the guys and he would immediately finger the other guys. Once that happens, there's no way the victim would be put through the grinder...because no one would assert that she volunteered to bang seven guys.

But now that so much time has passed and she didn't get any medical evidence, she's going to have an uphill battle. They can easily assert a defense that she's making this up. No eye witnesses beyond the rapists. And her "friends" aren't equipped to provide any useful evidence.

Oh, if only the 19 year old girl away from home for the first time who had just been gang raped for three hours, beaten, thrown through a glass table, and tortured into a fuge state had had the presence of mind to think strategically.

Exactly. The main thing a victim wants to do after is try to make it not have happened. Desperately. Because they can't get their head around it and don't want to accept that their life is changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

[Anonymous]

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Did you read the RS article? Did you see the part about the songs they were singing? I'd like to hear the part about how male UVa students united to condemn the songs and the attitude behind them. But I can't, because it didn't happen.

Has anyone here who went to UVA ever heard of this song quoted in the article? No one I know from the school (generations of people who have been in fraternities and attended a lot of football games over the years) has ever even heard of it.

The song begins, "From Rugby Road to Vinegar Hill," and it is very difficult to imagine anyone who has attended UVA and not heard it. It is learned in the first year dorms and sung lustily at parties, football games, and drunken stumbles down Rugby Road. Every one of my many UVA alum friends (almost none of them alums of the Greek system) could recite the first 4 or 5 verses on demand right now (nearly 30 years out).

Apparently the youngsters have added on many new verses in recent years that are much more graphic and disgusting, and that older alums wouldn't know. But the song in general? If your friends have never even heard of it, they either went to a different school, or their memories are absolutely obliterated.

I graduated from UVa 15+ years ago and have not heard of the song until the RS article. But, I didn't go to a lot of frat parties or football games, so maybe that's why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

No, I don't think I'll stop complaining about that. Why don't you stop being a rape culture apologist?

[Anonymous]

Liz Seccuro was gang raped in the exact same frat 30 years ago. UVA has a history of abuse towards women. All the frats there need to be closed for good and the President needs to be fired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

No, I don't think I'll stop complaining about that. Why don't you stop being a rape culture apologist?

I'm not in any way a "rape culture apologist" - what a moronic statement. Why do you think we are calling on women to REPORT the rape? Just for fun? Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

Is that what you think this is about?

[Anonymous]

US News and World Report needs to make a list of college rankings where the environment is most hostile towards women. College bros getting drunk, chanting sexual slurs at women, using women, raping women. Just sick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

Not PP, but no, I won't stop. When the criminal justice system stops failing rape victims at every turn and our culture stops punishing women for coming forward, THEN I'll stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

No, I don't think I'll stop complaining about that. Why don't you stop being a rape culture apologist?

I'm not in any way a "rape culture apologist" - what a moronic statement. Why do you think we are calling on women to REPORT the rape? Just for fun? Jesus.

I don't think you're pro-rape, but you keep posting "report, report, report" without addressing any of the arguments why women don't report, or providing some ways we can make it safer and more effective for women to report. Your posts put the entire burden on the victim to put herself through a destructive system designed to fail as if that will stop rapes. And you refuse to acknowledge that.

So you may not be an apologist, but in terms of stopping rape, you are part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

No, I don't think I'll stop complaining about that. Why don't you stop being a rape culture apologist?

I'm not in any way a "rape culture apologist" - what a moronic statement. Why do you think we are calling on women to REPORT the rape? Just for fun? Jesus.

Yes you are. You think it's fine to not prosecute because he traumatized victim doesn't report immediately. Apologist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

No, I don't think I'll stop complaining about that. Why don't you stop being a rape culture apologist?

I'm not in any way a "rape culture apologist" - what a moronic statement. Why do you think we are calling on women to REPORT the rape? Just for fun? Jesus.

I don't think you're pro-rape, but you keep posting "report, report, report" without addressing any of the arguments why women don't report, or providing some ways we can make it safer and more effective for women to report. Your posts put the entire burden on the victim to put herself through a destructive system designed to fail as if that will stop rapes. And you refuse to acknowledge that.

So you may not be an apologist, but in terms of stopping rape, you are part of the problem.

First of all, there are plenty of posters here urging victims to report, not just me. You can imagine you're talking to just one person, but you'd be wrong. Secondly, I see you, and others like you, as a huge part of the problem yourselves. After a rape occurs, you're ones urging victims NOT to come forward, as it would just be too painful, etc. I blame you for refusing to help women find it within themselves after a trauma such as rape, to do what needs to be done in order to at least TRY to bring these people to justice. I completely understand why a woman would desperately not want to come forward, and would prefer to pretend like it never happened. But exactly how will that help? You certainly haven't come up with anything more insightful than I. Unless your "solution" is to just round up all the men and have done with it.

[Anonymous]

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First of all, there are plenty of posters here urging victims to report, not just me. You can imagine you're talking to just one person, but you'd be wrong. Secondly, I see you, and others like you, as a huge part of the problem yourselves. After a rape occurs, you're ones urging victims NOT to come forward, as it would just be too painful, etc. I blame you for refusing to help women find it within themselves after a trauma such as rape, to do what needs to be done in order to at least TRY to bring these people to justice. I completely understand why a woman would desperately not want to come forward, and would prefer to pretend like it never happened. But exactly how will that help? You certainly haven't come up with anything more insightful than I. Unless your "solution" is to just round up all the men and have done with it.

It might help HER.