Bridgerton Season 4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Benedict is hot, though! Such a beautiful man.

Good-looking guy but miscast.

Looks older than his older brother.

His whole character arc has been a stretch. For awhile he was the DEI LGBTQ pastiche character and now he's a het "I fell in love with this girl in 5 minutes" guy.

I read the original book. The character they created for Benedict in Seasons 1-3 just doesn't work with this plot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I've watched Heated Rivalry but the sex scenes (2) in part 2 had zero heat despite having plenty of nudity. It really comes down to the chemistry of the actors and IMO these two had none. Plus he's a lazy dope and she's rigid and boring. Such a disappointment.

And the idea that they're so "in love" just isn't believable. He wanted her because she was off limits (as she wasn't a prostitute or a lady throwing herself at him). I give the marriage about a year before he's back at the opium den, shagging random guys.

Heated Rivalry has ruined me for other sex scenes! The chemistry between the leads, the lighting, the music (or not), the breathing, the slapping noises…perfection. Everybody else needs to step it up. Take notes, Bridgerton!

What season and episodes can I find those amazing sex scenes?!

There’s only one season (6 episodes) so far, on HBO. Go forth and enjoy your weekend, friend!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

Lol I'm the one who wrote that the scene was super boring and I haven't even seen Heated Rivalry yet! So I'm just operating off of the standard Bridgerton set for itself, which isn't even that high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

Benedict was way more fun in Season 2 when trying to be an artist. I just didn't get sold on why the leads would be into each other. Just "hey we're in love now."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

Benedict was way more fun in Season 2 when trying to be an artist. I just didn't get sold on why the leads would be into each other. Just "hey we're in love now."

They floundered Eloise’s character too. She was running around with the working class and was at political rallies the first season and now she is waiting around bored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

Benedict was way more fun in Season 2 when trying to be an artist. I just didn't get sold on why the leads would be into each other. Just "hey we're in love now."

They floundered Eloise’s character too. She was running around with the working class and was at political rallies the first season and now she is waiting around bored.

Yep. The Bridgerton siblings are currently all very, very boring. And that is hard to watch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

Lol I'm the one who wrote that the scene was super boring and I haven't even seen Heated Rivalry yet! So I'm just operating off of the standard Bridgerton set for itself, which isn't even that high.

Oh! I am jealous. Go watch it asap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, I think the biggest issues with seasons 3 and 4 is that the male leads are too nice. I'm not excited by this observation, it's kind of a bummer. But when I think about what worked in 1 and 2, a big part of it was the tension between the leads, driven in part by bigger and more aggressive personalities.

The women in 3 and 4 still have interesting, strong personalities. Arguably stronger than Daphne in Season 1 (I think Kate is the best female lead so far). But Colin is a drip generally, and while Benedict used to be fun, he is completely dull in this actual romance.

I don't think they needed to make these guys angry-hot like Anthony or closed off/stoic like the Duke, but they need something other than "respectfully in love" to make it interesting. I think Colin was just fundamentally miscast and that a different actor would have been able to make a lot more of the "you published gossip about my family" conflict. But Benedict is well cast, they just neutered him. I would have liked to see him more mischievous and making rash mistakes, to make Sophie reject him because she doesn't trust him for the same reasons his family is always skeptical about him, and then he changes to earn back her trust. Or something like that. Instead he just earnestly pursues her, listens to each of her concerns and take practical steps to address them so they can be together. Sweet, but BORING.

Agree so much with this as well as the previous poster who wrote about the way Sophie didn't skip a beat when told about Benedict's escapes with men.

Benedict was supposed to be the interesting, artsy free spirit sibling and they totally neutered him and made him appear lazy, vapid and a bit slow. Frankly, aside from his looks and social status, why would anyone would fall in love with him? There was nothing to fall in love with.

And the "they finally gave in and did the deed" sex scene was indeed just boring. I think the leads lacked chemistry or something. Or else we've all just been corrupted forever by Heated Rivalry.

Benedict was way more fun in Season 2 when trying to be an artist. I just didn't get sold on why the leads would be into each other. Just "hey we're in love now."

I think they tried to explain it in the last episode when he says he’s always felt alone/invisible in every room but he felt seen by her at the ball when she was the lady in silver. That line made me understand what they were going for: both leads were invisible in very different ways but ultimately they understand each other. Plus, passion I guess.

[Anonymous]

Benedict is so far from hot - he’s just not it at all - all the appeal of Melba toast. He’s also quite boring and lacks charisma.

[Anonymous]

I must've missed something. The last episode when they presented Sophie to the queen, why did they tell the queen Sophie was the daughter of Penwood's cousin?

[Anonymous]

I'm really grateful to the show though for introducing the term 'impersonating royalty' and sending me down the whole rabbit hole of Regency era legal understandings of the term and what it entailed. It will come in handy the next time I am teaching and I want examples of the ways in which "laws are socially constructed based on particular cultural and legal understandings and how they intersect."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must've missed something. The last episode when they presented Sophie to the queen, why did they tell the queen Sophie was the daughter of Penwood's cousin?

They're making up a lie so she can marry Benedict and blackmailed Araminta into going along with it. The Queen knew they were lying but decided to roll with it.

But if course surely the knew Lord Penwood would know, so maybe they should have also bribed Cressida into playing along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must've missed something. The last episode when they presented Sophie to the queen, why did they tell the queen Sophie was the daughter of Penwood's cousin?

Because they’re pretending she’s the legitimate cousin of a relative that, conveniently, no one knows. Of course this makes no sense but the idea is that since the Queen has blessed it and Benedict now third in line anyway, no one will dare to question it.

I hope Cressida is the new whistle down because otherwise I don’t know the point of her return. It felt like a storyline got cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I must've missed something. The last episode when they presented Sophie to the queen, why did they tell the queen Sophie was the daughter of Penwood's cousin?

They're making up a lie so she can marry Benedict and blackmailed Araminta into going along with it. The Queen knew they were lying but decided to roll with it.

But if course surely the knew Lord Penwood would know, so maybe they should have also bribed Cressida into playing along.

How is the new Lord Penwood related to Sophie/her father? Uncle/brother?