Harvard no longer allowed to enroll international students

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This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

Cool. But did your family pay federal taxes for decades? The same taxes that fund these universities?

I’ll wait.

We’re not here to subsidize universities that prioritize foreigners.

I’m a MAGA and I know how tax money works. I want the best research I can pay for with my tax dollars. If that’s Harvard, then I want Harvard.

Good to know. So have you looked at the numbers and realized how it’s a complete racket? How for every grant dollar the university gets something like 50% of additional money (pretty sure it’s more) is awarded by taxpayers for “overhead?”

That’s the same overhead that “justifies” insane out of pocket tuition costs for US students and means we all have to save obscene amounts for our American kids’ college tuition.

The universities are double and triple
dipping (probably more) from the taxpayer.

I doubt you are MAGA because you aren’t aware of this. Don’t take my word for it—do your own research.

I did the research and you are full of sht.

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This is FOR SURE getting slammed in court. It's not legal. The executive branch of the US government cannot dictate to a private institution of higher learning who it can and cannot enroll.


Do not expect more seats for your US kids, people.

Unfortunately as someone said earlier, the populist message of “foreigners”taking your jobs and stealing spots from white American kids is strong with the weak….

This is not as clever as you think. Protecting the jobs and spots of the weak is paramount in a democracy, and it used to be part of the Democratic plank. The idea that the United States will source the most clever people from all over the world has no natural limit. A clever foreigner can come for your job, too.

I am the clever foreigner that took your job….and guess what? I have been here for 25 years now, married an American, have 3 kids and have probably contributed more in Taxes to this country than most in this thread.

Cool. But did your family pay federal taxes for decades? The same taxes that fund these universities?

I’ll wait.

We’re not here to subsidize universities that prioritize foreigners.

I’m a MAGA and I know how tax money works. I want the best research I can pay for with my tax dollars. If that’s Harvard, then I want Harvard.

Good to know. So have you looked at the numbers and realized how it’s a complete racket? How for every grant dollar the university gets something like 50% of additional money (pretty sure it’s more) is awarded by taxpayers for “overhead?”

That’s the same overhead that “justifies” insane out of pocket tuition costs for US students and means we all have to save obscene amounts for our American kids’ college tuition.

The universities are double and triple
dipping (probably more) from the taxpayer.

I doubt you are MAGA because you aren’t aware of this. Don’t take my word for it—do your own research.

Overhead funds buildings, labs, and equipment--all very expensive. I'd be fine with auditing to ensure reasonable overhead charges, but they will still be pretty substantial.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have the 6000 slots prioritize to go to American kids.

I'd rather American kids be able to access financial aid, and that not only those whose families can afford $90K a year are able to attend. Right now at all these schools, international students are subsidizing U.S. students.

Exactly. DCUrbanmom is currently seeming as stupid as MAGA. Are you all really this stupid?

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Wow this thread blew up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have the 6000 slots prioritize to go to American kids.

I'd rather American kids be able to access financial aid, and that not only those whose families can afford $90K a year are able to attend. Right now at all these schools, international students are subsidizing U.S. students.

Harvard, with its how many billions of dollars endowment, doesn’t really need the $ of these foreign students. It’s just a greedy money grab to obtain more and more.

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Trump really knows how to play the dumbest in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:10% makes sense to me. Some graduate programs are SO heavily international. My niece was rejected from a flagship program in her home state that is 50% international. That's not right.

Just because International students have more potential than your niece doesn't make it wrong for international students to study there. Your niece should work harder. International students shouldn't have to suffer for this.

As an American, I have no personal duty or obligation to international students. My country‘s duty and obligation is to its own citizens.

Getting the best and brightest to live and work in our country is looking out for our country. A lot our scientists are immigrants, many who came here as foreign students.

Spoken like a true hypocritical progressive elitist.

I am a moderate and far from elitist. My parent were blue collar workers.

What i am is not afraid of my children having to compete with foreigners.

Also I want to have the best and brightest doctors for me and my family, and if that means a foreigner, I'm good with that.

But I do regret that we let Musk in as a foreign student.

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It isn't just undergrads; it's graduate students as well.

First, not all foreign students are full pay. Harvard is one of roughly a dozen US colleges that are need blind for internationals. The following universities are need-blind for international students:
Amherst College
Dartmouth College
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Princeton University
Yale University
Bowdoin College
Brown University
The University of Notre Dame
Washington and Lee University
Georgetown University
Important Notes:
While Georgetown University is need-blind for international students, it may not fully meet the demonstrated need of all admitted international students.

Note: Cornell, the college cited by a prior poster, is not need blind for internationals.

One reason that most US colleges are not need blind for internationals is that those students don't qualify for federal financial aids and loans. So, every international student who needs aid costs a college more than a US student in comparable financial circumstances. That's why most of the colleges that are need blind for US students are NOT need blind for internationals.Note: this includes some top colleges like Stanford.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have the 6000 slots prioritize to go to American kids.

I'd rather American kids be able to access financial aid, and that not only those whose families can afford $90K a year are able to attend. Right now at all these schools, international students are subsidizing U.S. students.

PP again. This also has implications well beyond Harvard. What international student would want to study in the U.S. these days, if they know they can be sent home at a moment's notice? If you have a kid who will be attending college in the next few years--even if Harvard is not at all on your radar--and you cannot pay full freight, you should be very worried. This could drastically change admissions strategies at schools across the board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have the 6000 slots prioritize to go to American kids.

Lots of us-born posters here agree with you. The foreign born ones don’t.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/s/MtxBYlmOXD

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have the 6000 slots prioritize to go to American kids.

I'd rather American kids be able to access financial aid, and that not only those whose families can afford $90K a year are able to attend. Right now at all these schools, international students are subsidizing U.S. students.

Harvard, with its how many billions of dollars endowment, doesn’t really need the $ of these foreign students. It’s just a greedy money grab to obtain more and more.

Yes, that is a key way in which it functions like a corporation. In prioritizing massive growth in its already obscene level of wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:10% makes sense to me. Some graduate programs are SO heavily international. My niece was rejected from a flagship program in her home state that is 50% international. That's not right.

Just because International students have more potential than your niece doesn't make it wrong for international students to study there. Your niece should work harder. International students shouldn't have to suffer for this.

As an American, I have no personal duty or obligation to international students. My country‘s duty and obligation is to its own citizens.

Getting the best and brightest to live and work in our country is looking out for our country. A lot our scientists are immigrants, many who came here as foreign students.

Spoken like a true hypocritical progressive elitist.

I am a moderate and far from elitist. My parent were blue collar workers.

What i am is not afraid of my children having to compete with foreigners.

I’m not “afraid” of them having to compete with foreigners either. I just believe that my kids, and yours, should have certain advantages and benefits conveyed to them simply because they are Americans.

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Fascist idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have the 6000 slots prioritize to go to American kids.

I'd rather American kids be able to access financial aid, and that not only those whose families can afford $90K a year are able to attend. Right now at all these schools, international students are subsidizing U.S. students.

PP again. This also has implications well beyond Harvard. What international student would want to study in the U.S. these days, if they know they can be sent home at a moment's notice? If you have a kid who will be attending college in the next few years--even if Harvard is not at all on your radar--and you cannot pay full freight, you should be very worried. This could drastically change admissions strategies at schools across the board.

Get more full pay Americans - there are plenty to fill those exact spots. And your financial aid isn’t jeopardized.
Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:10% makes sense to me. Some graduate programs are SO heavily international. My niece was rejected from a flagship program in her home state that is 50% international. That's not right.

Just because International students have more potential than your niece doesn't make it wrong for international students to study there. Your niece should work harder. International students shouldn't have to suffer for this.

As an American, I have no personal duty or obligation to international students. My country‘s duty and obligation is to its own citizens.

Getting the best and brightest to live and work in our country is looking out for our country. A lot our scientists are immigrants, many who came here as foreign students.

Spoken like a true hypocritical progressive elitist.

+1. God forbid they take a chance on a kid from West Virginia.

And they do, when they are indeed exceptional at something.

Many of these foreign students are not “exceptional.” They are just rich.

The grad students doing research? Or undergrads?