What if Biden does not bow out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

Biden is neither weak nor unaccountable. That's Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

Biden is neither weak nor unaccountable. That's Trump.

Not weak? He needs naps and has a bed time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

The focus *should* be on Trump. He's an existential threat to democracy. Given that, I'd vote for Biden's corpse.

[Anonymous]

I am a moderate Dem who doesn't want Biden to step aside. And if the country is stupid enough to elect Trump---who on his best day sounds loopier than Biden on his worst, and who spent his presidency sowing chaos, accomplishing nothing but massive tax cuts for billionaires, increasing the national debt, and destroying the Supreme Court (and a number of taken for granted civil liberties along with it), then unfortunately we will all be in the same situation as the GOP in 2015, when Lindsay Graham warned, "If we nominate Trump, he will destroy us, and we will deserve it."

And what I am afraid of is after 4 more years of Trump and the billionaire class, then we as a country will find ourselves like South America---with an inevitable swing from far right to far left. And that never goes well--with economic chaos and political violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem that the Dems have with forcing Biden to withdraw as the candidate for 2024.

If Biden is not fit to serve as a candidate, how can he continue to serve as POTUS for the next six months? Obviously he can't. The Dem party would lose whatever credibility it has left.

So the new President would be VP Harris, right? Not so fast. She will immediately be in the midst of a scandal, since she has continuously lied to the American people about Biden's fitness to serve. As of today, she is sticking to that lie, and it would be incredibly hard for her to reverse course. ("gosh, I just took a closer look and noticed for the first time that he is failing.") So if Biden does step down and finally acknowledges his obvious unfitness, how does Harris explain her statements immediately following the June 27 debate that he is totally fine? I don't see how she does that without admitting that she lied through her teeth and put partisan politics ahead of National security by keeping an unfit President in office. And the Republicans in Congress will immediately convene hearings about "what did she know and when did she know it," because it appears that Biden has been declining for a long time, so Harris was part of a major cover-up for some portion of Biden's 3.5 years. (possibly Harris knew as early as 2020, which is why Biden never left his basement).



So for all the Dems calling for Biden to bow out of the race, please think a couple of moves ahead, and ask if that is what you really want. It could get way uglier than it is already!

As far as scandals go, this is incredibly low on the list. What else is she supposed to do? I don't think the American public cares that much. They might just be relieved to have someone younger than age 75 on the ballot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

Biden is neither weak nor unaccountable. That's Trump.

Not weak? He needs naps and has a bed time.

Trump fell asleep continuously during his trial, and hardly works at all. He wouldn't work before 11am when he was President because he needed his nigh-nighs.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump:
Egomaniac
Will surround himself with super conservative wackos
Embarrassing
Decent cognitive ability
US looks stupid if we elect such an odious man

Biden:
Cognitively not there

Will surround himself with yes men and hidden figures. We won’t really know who is running the country (but presumably they aren’t wackos and have decent political experience)

Dem voters are voicing displeasure in him as a candidate and asking him to step aside. He and his inner circle are ignoring the very voters he claims he wants to “serve.”

US looks vulnerable if we elect such an incompetent man

I’m (NC voter) leaning toward holding my nose and voting for Trump. I think we have to send a message to Biden, his yes men, and the DNC that they can’t shove an incompetent candidate down our throats.

I’m a registered Dem and leaning this way also.

I don't think voting for Trump is sending the message you think. Voting third party would be sending the message - although the third party candidates are a hot mess too.

This isn’t real. Absolutely no Democrat will pull the Trump lever, ever, after the Supreme Court and Project 2025 and J6. Ds just need to get out to vote and they have the numbers to win, and that’s why the Trumpies want this chaos and infighting. Biden already beat Trump once, he’ll do it again.

Wishful thinking. Nobody but the ideologues are voting for an 82 year old with rapidly declining cognitive abilities. It is obvious to everyone that Biden is not finishing a second term when he would be 86. He will clearly be incapacitated and incapable of managing the massive responsibilities of being president sooner rather than later.

Trump can still finish a sentence. And that alone is enough to win under these pathetic circumstances. Many otherwise reliable democrats will stay home rather than vote for a geriatric that belongs in a nursing home. Many will be resentful of the Democratic Party for putting the country in this position. And many will vote for Trump because Democrats didn't offer a viable alternative. No average American cares about J6. And only people lost deep into the recesses of the internet have even heard of project 2025.

The polling is terrible for Democrats. And it's only going to get worse.

No, Democrats are not voting for Trump. You’re wrong about people not knowing about Project 2025 and wrong about people not caring deeply about J6, the Supreme Court, etc. Trump is deeply unpopular with just about everyone outside the MAGAverse and push comes to shove they will vote against him rather than FOR someone else. And Trump has never been coherent or truthful, and that has always been clear. Biden on his worst day is better than Trump on his best day.

If Biden is incapacitated at any point after the election, we’re perfectly happy for Harris to assume her duties as President. That’s what she’s there for, per the Constitution.

You MAGAts want us to throw over Biden but we’re not falling for it. We can and will win.

As a conservative and an adamant voter against Biden, I am thankful for your stubbornness and your unfounded faith in the current White House resident and his sidekick.

Listen to you, “sidekick.” Please continue to be dismissive of women and POC. Fires us up. We love nothing more than MAGAts underestimating us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem that the Dems have with forcing Biden to withdraw as the candidate for 2024.

If Biden is not fit to serve as a candidate, how can he continue to serve as POTUS for the next six months? Obviously he can't. The Dem party would lose whatever credibility it has left.

So the new President would be VP Harris, right? Not so fast. She will immediately be in the midst of a scandal, since she has continuously lied to the American people about Biden's fitness to serve. As of today, she is sticking to that lie, and it would be incredibly hard for her to reverse course. ("gosh, I just took a closer look and noticed for the first time that he is failing.") So if Biden does step down and finally acknowledges his obvious unfitness, how does Harris explain her statements immediately following the June 27 debate that he is totally fine? I don't see how she does that without admitting that she lied through her teeth and put partisan politics ahead of National security by keeping an unfit President in office. And the Republicans in Congress will immediately convene hearings about "what did she know and when did she know it," because it appears that Biden has been declining for a long time, so Harris was part of a major cover-up for some portion of Biden's 3.5 years. (possibly Harris knew as early as 2020, which is why Biden never left his basement).



So for all the Dems calling for Biden to bow out of the race, please think a couple of moves ahead, and ask if that is what you really want. It could get way uglier than it is already!

As far as scandals go, this is incredibly low on the list. What else is she supposed to do? I don't think the American public cares that much. They might just be relieved to have someone younger than age 75 on the ballot.

This is stupid. The spineless leftists will just attack Harris in the same way they are all attacking Biden for dumb stuff now. You and they are likely Russian operatives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem that the Dems have with forcing Biden to withdraw as the candidate for 2024.

If Biden is not fit to serve as a candidate, how can he continue to serve as POTUS for the next six months? Obviously he can't. The Dem party would lose whatever credibility it has left.

So the new President would be VP Harris, right? Not so fast. She will immediately be in the midst of a scandal, since she has continuously lied to the American people about Biden's fitness to serve. As of today, she is sticking to that lie, and it would be incredibly hard for her to reverse course. ("gosh, I just took a closer look and noticed for the first time that he is failing.") So if Biden does step down and finally acknowledges his obvious unfitness, how does Harris explain her statements immediately following the June 27 debate that he is totally fine? I don't see how she does that without admitting that she lied through her teeth and put partisan politics ahead of National security by keeping an unfit President in office. And the Republicans in Congress will immediately convene hearings about "what did she know and when did she know it," because it appears that Biden has been declining for a long time, so Harris was part of a major cover-up for some portion of Biden's 3.5 years. (possibly Harris knew as early as 2020, which is why Biden never left his basement).



So for all the Dems calling for Biden to bow out of the race, please think a couple of moves ahead, and ask if that is what you really want. It could get way uglier than it is already!

As far as scandals go, this is incredibly low on the list. What else is she supposed to do? I don't think the American public cares that much. They might just be relieved to have someone younger than age 75 on the ballot.

willfully covering up that the Commander in Chief has major cognitive issues? c'mon man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

The focus *should* be on Trump. He's an existential threat to democracy. Given that, I'd vote for Biden's corpse.

You basically already did that in 2020.

Now you have a leaderless party fumbling around for a candidate. The time to do that was the primary season, but the Dems have such a fear of their own voters that they stomped on the primary process and kept your walking corpse in charge of reading the teleprompter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether Biden drops out or not, the debate was memorable in my mind for one detail no one has mentioned.

An elderly guy goes to an event sick by his own admission and then heads to Waffle House afterwards WITHOUT A MASK. How far we have come!

Imagine this happening only 18 months ago when being a covid scold with an armchair degree in virology and epidemiology was all the rage. Oh, the pearl clutching at the sight of this dreadfully crass behavior!

America has shed its magical thinking—on this front, at least.

Onward!

I cant believe i have to say this but apparently i have to. First, it’s not 18 months ago as you point out and that makes a lot of difference. Second, he did not have covid, he tested and was negative. Nobody ever said you need to be a recluse and wear a mask if you have a cold. Oh, schools have been open for years even in blue states, just in case you have not noticed that either…..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem that the Dems have with forcing Biden to withdraw as the candidate for 2024.

If Biden is not fit to serve as a candidate, how can he continue to serve as POTUS for the next six months? Obviously he can't. The Dem party would lose whatever credibility it has left.

So the new President would be VP Harris, right? Not so fast. She will immediately be in the midst of a scandal, since she has continuously lied to the American people about Biden's fitness to serve. As of today, she is sticking to that lie, and it would be incredibly hard for her to reverse course. ("gosh, I just took a closer look and noticed for the first time that he is failing.") So if Biden does step down and finally acknowledges his obvious unfitness, how does Harris explain her statements immediately following the June 27 debate that he is totally fine? I don't see how she does that without admitting that she lied through her teeth and put partisan politics ahead of National security by keeping an unfit President in office. And the Republicans in Congress will immediately convene hearings about "what did she know and when did she know it," because it appears that Biden has been declining for a long time, so Harris was part of a major cover-up for some portion of Biden's 3.5 years. (possibly Harris knew as early as 2020, which is why Biden never left his basement).



So for all the Dems calling for Biden to bow out of the race, please think a couple of moves ahead, and ask if that is what you really want. It could get way uglier than it is already!

As far as scandals go, this is incredibly low on the list. What else is she supposed to do? I don't think the American public cares that much. They might just be relieved to have someone younger than age 75 on the ballot.

willfully covering up that the Commander in Chief has major cognitive issues? c'mon man.

+1 that’s why the WH doctor (who also did business with Jim, Joe, and Hunter Biden and Americore, defrauding medicare to boot) won’t take an interview or answer questions from the press about Biden’s health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

No thank you to your “rebuilding cycle” which will involve a completely unfettered Trump and his Project 25 cronies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem that the Dems have with forcing Biden to withdraw as the candidate for 2024.

If Biden is not fit to serve as a candidate, how can he continue to serve as POTUS for the next six months? Obviously he can't. The Dem party would lose whatever credibility it has left.

So the new President would be VP Harris, right? Not so fast. She will immediately be in the midst of a scandal, since she has continuously lied to the American people about Biden's fitness to serve. As of today, she is sticking to that lie, and it would be incredibly hard for her to reverse course. ("gosh, I just took a closer look and noticed for the first time that he is failing.") So if Biden does step down and finally acknowledges his obvious unfitness, how does Harris explain her statements immediately following the June 27 debate that he is totally fine? I don't see how she does that without admitting that she lied through her teeth and put partisan politics ahead of National security by keeping an unfit President in office. And the Republicans in Congress will immediately convene hearings about "what did she know and when did she know it," because it appears that Biden has been declining for a long time, so Harris was part of a major cover-up for some portion of Biden's 3.5 years. (possibly Harris knew as early as 2020, which is why Biden never left his basement).

Harris will be like Spirew Agnew in Watergate, when Nixon resigned, but the VP had too much of his own baggage to assume the Presidency. The next in line to the Presidency, the Speaker of the House, was Gerald Ford in 1976 and today will be Mike Johnson, a Republican.

Will it play out in such a way that Johnson actually serves the remainder of Biden's term, as Ford did for Nixon? Who knows. But if Biden resigns, Harris (who was unpopular even before her June 27 statements) will be fending off those accusations as more or less her full time job for the next six months. It will dominate the news cycle, Harris will inevitably blame it on racism, and the political left will be arguing directly against the US Constitution, which says the Speaker is next in line to the Presidency. By comparison, Trump will appear the non-crazy, non-scandal ridden adult in the room.

So for all the Dems calling for Biden to bow out of the race, please think a couple of moves ahead, and ask if that is what you really want. It could get way uglier than it is already!

OP here. Your post makes a lot of sense to me but also fills me with such disappointment in the DNC and party leadership. I think there was a window right after the debate that he could have said - you know what, campaigning is too much for me but I am fine with the day to day and stayed as President. But this moment has passed. President Biden has proven himself extremely selfish and the entirely platform of how Ds are the way to save democracy rings hollows for me now. I will vote for him to help protect a woman's right to manage her own body and hope someone like Soros with deep pockets steps forward to fund a viable third party candidate in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You can see over the past week why Dems are always trying to turn the conversation back to Trump and/or abortion. When the spotlight is on their own leadership, it is a huge comedy of errors. All this blue no matter who idiocy over time gives you weak and unaccountable leaders. Once in a while you just have to trust the voters and go through a rebuilding cycle.

The focus *should* be on Trump. He's an existential threat to democracy. Given that, I'd vote for Biden's corpse.

You basically already did that in 2020.

Now you have a leaderless party fumbling around for a candidate. The time to do that was the primary season, but the Dems have such a fear of their own voters that they stomped on the primary process and kept your walking corpse in charge of reading the teleprompter.

The walking corpse was hidden in the basement in 2020.