Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

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Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Yeah make that argument to the jury! It will be amusing to argue “your honor she was already dead!” super sympathetic to carjack a dead body, crash the car, then run away. Especially since Kayla would have had no way to know she was actually dead. Even if there’s evidence that the crash didn’t kill her, where’s the evidence that she was dead before Kayla took the car? If she was having a stroke or heart attack, Kayla removed her from life-saving care.

Nah, she's going to use the girls will be girls defense.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Although I wish otherwise, it’s not coming back. The USAO is a joke. Doesn’t care about victims unless they look differently from this victim and live in different neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

Because going easy on Black criminals is the top priority of the DC criminal justice system. Sorry about your mom, but some things are more important to your government.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Although I wish otherwise, it’s not coming back. The USAO is a joke. Doesn’t care about victims unless they look differently from this victim and live in different neighborhoods.

To be fair, that's untrue. The USAO doesn't care who the victims are. The real victims are those apprehended by the so-called justice system.

[Anonymous]

I’m not surprised if this criminal is going to only get a slap on the wrist for carjacking and killing a woman.

DC, these are the people and policies that you have voted in. What a shame.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

I think you’re probably right and in a civil wrongful death suit, the family would likely win under the lower evidentiary burden (but minimal damages because the victim was retired). But the prosecutor hears the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt and with no evidence one way or another about when the victim died, it would be hard to make that case. Might depend on what the daughter said — eg if the daughter said the mom was still conscious and trying to speak seconds before the car was stolen, that’s a good case. If the daughter said her mom was unconcsxiius at the time, or that she’d been gone from the car for several minutes trying to get help and couldn’t say what happened …. That’s probably a case that gets dismissed by the judge or reversed on appeal.

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If the woman had passed, she may have had a chance of being revived with immediate medical attention. If she was passing, she may have died of fear. Has anyone stopped to think how traumatic it would be to be carjacked in the middle of a grave medical event?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

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Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Although I wish otherwise, it’s not coming back. The USAO is a joke. Doesn’t care about victims unless they look differently from this victim and live in different neighborhoods.

To be fair, that's untrue. The USAO doesn't care who the victims are. The real victims are those apprehended by the so-called justice system.

Matt Graves and his office prosecute fewer crimes than any other D major city. Don't take my word for it, it's all documented at https://x.com/dccrimefacts. Biden needs to be pressured to move Graves and replace him.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not surprised if this criminal is going to only get a slap on the wrist for carjacking and killing a woman.

DC, these are the people and policies that you have voted in. What a shame.

The USA is a fed appointee, and his staff are feds. None of them were voted in by DC residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Baltimore, Chicago, Philly, NYC all would be likely to be prosecuting this case to the fullest, but not USA Graves in DC. Stand by, they may drop the remaining charge or plead it down further.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Baltimore, Chicago, Philly, NYC all would be likely to be prosecuting this case to the fullest, but not USA Graves in DC. Stand by, they may drop the remaining charge or plead it down further.

+1

It wouldn't even be a hard case. The people in this thread pretending to be lawyers don't know what they're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

/s

Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

So, if I push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, I have no responsibility for the death? The woman was denied access to medical treatment. You seem to be saying that this is OK. Even if that someone dies from that denied access. I am guessing you work for the health insurance industry.

No. If you push someone off a building and they have a heart attack on the way down, you could make the argument that the stress of being pushed off a building caused the heart attack and you should be held criminally responsible for that!

Agree that if the woman was not dead, she was denied access to medical treatment when she was carjacked. It will be difficult to prove when she died though.

You seem really dense.

You are claiming the daughter was driving around a corpse?

The decedent died before Kayla ever took the car. For that reason she cannot be guilty of murder or kidnapping. You can’t murder a dead person. Even the US Attorney acknowledged this. That’s why they dropped the murder and kidnapping charge.

there’s zero proof of that

You clearly don't understand how criminal law works. Kayla doesn't have to prove that. The US Attorney has to prove that's NOT true. They clearly realized that they can't do that and that's why they lowered the charges.

the proof is that the woman was dead in the car that Kayla carjacked and subsequently crashed. I would love to see her public defenders put on the case: “actually ladies and gentlemen of the jury, she just stole a car with a dead woman inside of it.”

She had no visible injuries and Kayla was able to walk away from the crash uninjured. She didn’t die in the crash.

Kayla Kenisha’s actions were the proximate cause of death - ie, her felony of carjacking the Mazda caused the passenger inside to have a myocardial infarction. High quality compressions must start immediately to achieve ROSC in a person experiencing a lethal arrhythmia and with each passing minute that ALS isn’t performed, the likelihood resuscitation plummets.

Lifesaving treatment- compression and airway - were not initiated for 19+ minutes due to the intentional actions of Kayla Kenisha, who observed the passenger in the front seat and drove around with her rather than returning to the hospital.

Kayla Kenisha’s intentional actions were the direct and proximate cause of Ms Gaines death — REGARDLESS of whether Ms Gaines died of blunt force trauma from a collision OR hypoxia or lack of perfusion to vital organs during the 19 minutes Kayla Kenisha drove her around and did not seek medical help.

Now fuk off, clueless apologist.

You can make that argument all you want but the prosecutor dismissed the murder charge.

For now

Baltimore, Chicago, Philly, NYC all would be likely to be prosecuting this case to the fullest, but not USA Graves in DC. Stand by, they may drop the remaining charge or plead it down further.

I am not joking when I say that I doubt that this woman does any time at all so long as she does not commit another violent crime while on pre-trial release. The system here is basically everyone gets a couple freebies if you can control yourself or not be dumb enough to get caught for six months.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not surprised if this criminal is going to only get a slap on the wrist for carjacking and killing a woman.

DC, these are the people and policies that you have voted in. What a shame.

The USA is a fed appointee, and his staff are feds. None of them were voted in by DC residents.

And yet, Brian Schwalb was voted on by DC residents and he’s also soft on juvenile crime at a time when there is an epidemic of juvenile crime in the city.