Georgetown Prep decisions posted (huge wow factors!)

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Anonymous wrote:well that makes 3 Princeton sports recruits. 2 for lacrosse and one for track.

I think it is unfair to act like sports playing a part in admissions is somehow unfair. It takes a great deal of time and effort to be a top athlete. It seems like DCUMs are very comfortable with let's say a top violinist getting an edge vs a top basketball player. (both of those randomly picked)

It is unfair.

Club/travel sports are extremely expensive to take part in & require significant parent involvement. A kid may be a talented young athlete (including a high school basketball player), but won’t be recruited unless they happen to have parents with the time and money to put them in club sports. Money isn’t sufficient to get recruited, but it is definitely necessary.

Go look at some rosters of sports in the Ivy/NESCAC/UAA/Centennial/Patriotic League conferences. They’re filled with UMC white kids who went to private school & public schools in very wealthy areas, especially if we’re talking about women’s sports.

The same could be argued about the violinist, cellist, or even a straight a student who does well on SATs because of prep courses in tutors. But for some reason people are particularly upset about sports.

NP. My “elite” basketball player played 2 AAU seasons at $600 a pop. Now that it’s high school level it’s really just one long AAU Spring/Summer at $800 a pop. Only 1-2 out of town tournaments at about $300/each in expenses. Next year, he will play EYBL so expenses will go down significantly. So maybe $1500 a year. I wouldn’t call that super expensive.

Club swimming runs $5k/year minimum

Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:well that makes 3 Princeton sports recruits. 2 for lacrosse and one for track.

I think it is unfair to act like sports playing a part in admissions is somehow unfair. It takes a great deal of time and effort to be a top athlete. It seems like DCUMs are very comfortable with let's say a top violinist getting an edge vs a top basketball player. (both of those randomly picked)

It is unfair.

Club/travel sports are extremely expensive to take part in & require significant parent involvement. A kid may be a talented young athlete (including a high school basketball player), but won’t be recruited unless they happen to have parents with the time and money to put them in club sports. Money isn’t sufficient to get recruited, but it is definitely necessary.

Go look at some rosters of sports in the Ivy/NESCAC/UAA/Centennial/Patriotic League conferences. They’re filled with UMC white kids who went to private school & public schools in very wealthy areas, especially if we’re talking about women’s sports.

The same could be argued about the violinist, cellist, or even a straight a student who does well on SATs because of prep courses in tutors. But for some reason people are particularly upset about sports.

NP. My “elite” basketball player played 2 AAU seasons at $600 a pop. Now that it’s high school level it’s really just one long AAU Spring/Summer at $800 a pop. Only 1-2 out of town tournaments at about $300/each in expenses. Next year, he will play EYBL so expenses will go down significantly. So maybe $1500 a year. I wouldn’t call that super expensive.

Club swimming runs $5k/year minimum

Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

Many run more than that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone had to ask Google if Prep was once part of GU.

More importantly, Prep, Gonzaga and GU are all owned and controlled by the Society of Jesus. It’s a very small club. All it takes is a phone call from one friend to another and just about anything can be accomplished.

"...Society of Jesus, Latin: Societas Iesu Ihs-logo.svg Christogram Abbreviation SJ
Nickname Jesuits
Formation 27 September 1540; 482 years ago[1]

The Society of Jesus (Latin: Societas Iesu; abbreviation: SJ), commonly known as the Jesuits (/ˈdʒɛʒu.ɪts, ˈdʒɛz(j)u, ˈdʒɛs-/;[3] Latin: Iesuitæ),[4], is a religious order of clerics regular of pontifical right for men in the Catholic Church which is headquartered in Rome. It was founded in 1540 by Ignatius of Loyola and six companions, with the approval of Pope Paul III. The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations. Jesuits work in education, research, and cultural pursuits. Jesuits also conduct retreats, minister in hospitals and parishes, sponsor direct social and humanitarian ministries, and promote ecumenical dialogue..." wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits

The Society of Jesus is consecrated under the patronage of Madonna della Strada, a title of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and it is led by a Superior General.[5][6] The headquarters of the society, its General Curia, is in Rome.[7] The historic curia of Ignatius is now part of the Collegio del Gesù attached to the Church of the Gesù, the Jesuit mother church.

Members of the Society of Jesus are expected to accept orders to go anywhere in the world, where they might be required to live in extreme conditions. This was so because Ignatius, its leading founder, was a nobleman who had a military background. Accordingly, the opening lines of the founding document declared that the society was founded for "whoever desires to serve as a soldier of God,[a] to strive especially for the defense and propagation of the faith, and for the progress of souls in Christian life and doctrine".[9] Jesuits are thus sometimes referred to colloquially as "God's soldiers",[10] "God's marines",[11] or "the Company".[12] The society participated in the Counter-Reformation and, later, in the implementation of the Second Vatican Council.

Jesuit missionaries established missions around the world from the 16th to the 18th century and had both successes and failures in Christianizing the native peoples. Beginning in 1759, the Catholic Church expelled Jesuits from most countries in Europe and from European colonies. In 1814, the Church lifted the suppression.

The term "Black Pope" is sometimes used to refer to the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, also known as the Jesuits. The Jesuits are a Catholic religious order, and their Superior General is considered to be the leader of the order. The term "Black Pope" is used because the Jesuits wear black robes, and because the order is known for its influence and power within the Catholic Church. The current Superior General of the Jesuits is Father Arturo Sosa, who was elected to the position in 2016. The role of the Superior General is to lead the Jesuits in their mission of promoting the Catholic faith through education, social justice work, and other forms of service. The relationship between the Superior General of the Jesuits and the Pope is one of collaboration and mutual respect. While the Jesuits are an independent order within the Catholic Church, they are still subject to the authority of the Pope and work closely with the Vatican on a variety of issues. The Pope and the Superior General meet regularly to discuss matters of mutual concern, and the Jesuits play an important role in shaping the direction of the Catholic Church as a whole.

When my firstborn son was baptized by a Jesuit priest my dad (Jesuit-educated from grammar school-graduate school)--my dad said to me 'he is now an official member of the Black Pope's army'. As a lapse Catholic myself, I admit I didn't know what that meant at first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:well that makes 3 Princeton sports recruits. 2 for lacrosse and one for track.

I think it is unfair to act like sports playing a part in admissions is somehow unfair. It takes a great deal of time and effort to be a top athlete. It seems like DCUMs are very comfortable with let's say a top violinist getting an edge vs a top basketball player. (both of those randomly picked)

It is unfair.

Club/travel sports are extremely expensive to take part in & require significant parent involvement. A kid may be a talented young athlete (including a high school basketball player), but won’t be recruited unless they happen to have parents with the time and money to put them in club sports. Money isn’t sufficient to get recruited, but it is definitely necessary.

Go look at some rosters of sports in the Ivy/NESCAC/UAA/Centennial/Patriotic League conferences. They’re filled with UMC white kids who went to private school & public schools in very wealthy areas, especially if we’re talking about women’s sports.

The same could be argued about the violinist, cellist, or even a straight a student who does well on SATs because of prep courses in tutors. But for some reason people are particularly upset about sports.

That’s a valid point.

The truth of the matter is that parents are upset whenever the Admissions criteria used doesn’t benefit or advantage them.

The parents of studious kids think that grades and test scores ought to be all important. The parents of athletes think athletic ability ought to count heavily. The alumni are all for the schools using Legacy as an important factor.

The fact is that it’s the colleges that set up the rules and the criteria. What they do is beyond the preferences of any parents.

But, that won’t stop the parents from carping and complaining about a system they see as “unfair!” Because it doesn’t benefit them.

The PP you’re replying to thinks that travel/club sports & studying for the SAT cost the same amount of money (they do not!). A kid can excel on the SAT at their own volition without any money or parental involvement. The same is not true in sports.

if a person has a natural inclination towards one or more sports and they want to pursue it, coaches will find them. So I disagree with the bolded. Not every kid needs to be molded by the curated club sports track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

Scholarships are available.

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Anonymous wrote:Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

Scholarships are available.

Clearly not enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

Scholarships are available.

Not in full.

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Spoken by folks who are clearly privileged. For many, even partial scholarship scan be a difference maker.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone had to ask Google if Prep was once part of GU.

More importantly, Prep, Gonzaga and GU are all owned and controlled by the Society of Jesus. It’s a very small club. All it takes is a phone call from one friend to another and just about anything can be accomplished.

This is false. Only the top students get admitted to GU. Many get rejected. Many.

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Anonymous wrote:Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

Scholarships are available.

Not in full.

The whole point is that many of these kids that are getting recruited/full ride for electric colleges are not getting recruited because their parents paid $5-10k a year in club dues. The fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of kids that pay these crazy fees do not get recruited, preferential treatment for admissions in college. The 98% of kids that are paying these dues get nothing in return and are all looked at as tools that contribute to the sports world racketeering system.

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Anonymous wrote:well that makes 3 Princeton sports recruits. 2 for lacrosse and one for track.

I think it is unfair to act like sports playing a part in admissions is somehow unfair. It takes a great deal of time and effort to be a top athlete. It seems like DCUMs are very comfortable with let's say a top violinist getting an edge vs a top basketball player. (both of those randomly picked)

It is unfair.

Club/travel sports are extremely expensive to take part in & require significant parent involvement. A kid may be a talented young athlete (including a high school basketball player), but won’t be recruited unless they happen to have parents with the time and money to put them in club sports. Money isn’t sufficient to get recruited, but it is definitely necessary.

Go look at some rosters of sports in the Ivy/NESCAC/UAA/Centennial/Patriotic League conferences. They’re filled with UMC white kids who went to private school & public schools in very wealthy areas, especially if we’re talking about women’s sports.

The same could be argued about the violinist, cellist, or even a straight a student who does well on SATs because of prep courses in tutors. But for some reason people are particularly upset about sports.

NP. My “elite” basketball player played 2 AAU seasons at $600 a pop. Now that it’s high school level it’s really just one long AAU Spring/Summer at $800 a pop. Only 1-2 out of town tournaments at about $300/each in expenses. Next year, he will play EYBL so expenses will go down significantly. So maybe $1500 a year. I wouldn’t call that super expensive.

I had two uncles who played varsity football and Lacrosse in the 1970’s. They paid zero dollars to play. One went on to college on full scholarship for lacrosse and played professional for awhile. Not a popular sport back then. My other uncle was offered scholarship for football but he was more interested in art school.

Back then it was talent first, ability to work hard. Basketball was played at local courts and endless hours of practice on your own or with friends.

If middle school kids or younger go to camp it’s just as fun to go to basketball program as it is regular camp. So it’s not all bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Boarding kids success hides the underperformance of Gen pop.WJ, Whitman, GC, SJC, not to mention Visi, SR,
SAAS, St. A,'s all had much more impressive outcomes. So worried about the college at the school in a couple years. The school is not what is used to be.

Really? GP has several at Hopkins, UVA, Georgetown, and an MIT admit and 3 Princeton! Show me a local public with that kind of result, especially as a percentage of their overall student body. SJC and GZ might be similar, I just haven't seen their admits this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Spoken by folks who are clearly privileged. For many, even partial scholarship scan be a difference maker.

Quite the opposite. If you make $40k/year, a $300 “partial scholarship” barely makes a dent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top Club soccer teams ECNL/MLsnext are about $5k year not including uniforms, travel fees/hotels, etc.

Scholarships are available.

Not in full.

The whole point is that many of these kids that are getting recruited/full ride for electric colleges are not getting recruited because their parents paid $5-10k a year in club dues. The fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of kids that pay these crazy fees do not get recruited, preferential treatment for admissions in college. The 98% of kids that are paying these dues get nothing in return and are all looked at as tools that contribute to the sports world racketeering system.

That point is wrong, however. Maybe not for basketball, but for sports like LAX, FH, swimming and soccer $5-10k/year is indeed necessary to have a chance at being recruited. Literally no one said spending that money guarantees that a child will be recruited.

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Anonymous wrote:Northeastern is a highly coveted school. There is clearly a troll who keeps posting who has an issue with Catholic schools. Anyway happy for this special group of young men. They will go on to do great things!

Catholic family here. Catholic schools all the way through grad school. Still have a couple in the late grade school years. Prep isn't what it used to be. The k-8 matriculation is weak compared to other area Catholic schools. The college outcomes are not on par with other privates, or publics for anyone comparing. It is not an anti-catholic issue. It's the school. Lots of people see through the presentation and polish, know the past is past, and correctly place it is as the weakest of area independent schools. Country club campus. Sub-standard school.

Tell me your kids didn't get into GP without saying your kids didn't get into GP.