Is Tulane the Ivy League of the South?

[Anonymous]

Rice doesn't have any reputable graduate programs hence its lower global ranking than Emory in most publications.
The undergrad is a wash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rice doesn't have any reputable graduate programs hence its lower global ranking than Emory in most publications.
The undergrad is a wash.

I think Rice has been perceived somewhat higher than Emory and for longer. That is actually the advantage Duke over other Southern schools as well. it has gotten academic recognition outside of just the South for several decades more than Vanderbilt, for instance, which now has very similar student selectivity numbers to Duke. If you went back to the 1980, that would not have been the case. If you went back further in the post Civil War period, pretty much no Southern school was recognized at the level of top Northern schools until Duke.

[Anonymous]

Some bizarre beliefs in this thread, lol.

Vanderbilt is the answer.

Duke is just as good to be fair, maybe better, but its southern cred is minimal.

Emory is behind both.
Rice too but just because its kind of specialized.
GT is very good for a public

UNC? UF? lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rice doesn't have any reputable graduate programs hence its lower global ranking than Emory in most publications.
The undergrad is a wash.

I think Rice has been perceived somewhat higher than Emory and for longer. That is actually the advantage Duke over other Southern schools as well. it has gotten academic recognition outside of just the South for several decades more than Vanderbilt, for instance, which now has very similar student selectivity numbers to Duke. If you went back to the 1980, that would not have been the case. If you went back further in the post Civil War period, pretty much no Southern school was recognized at the level of top Northern schools until Duke.

The transformative Duke gift (renaming the school Duke from Trinity College) was in the mid-1920s, the West Campus was built and it probably took Duke until the 1960s to start to get broader recognition. It also has the benefit of ongoing support from the Duke foundation. The Rice gift was even earlier, in the 1910s, but was not as large as the Duke gift and the focus of Rice for quite some time was on keeping the cost of attendance low. This was a worthy goal for philanthropy, but it runs counter to the USNWR ranking world where ratings benefit from spending, not from keeping tuition low. The most transformative gift for Emory from Robert Woodruff was not until the 1970s. The Vanderbilt gift was the earliest, but again, not at the level of the Duke gift even accounting for time. Vanderbilt didn't focus as much on its academic reputation as Duke until later. As much as the money, Duke distinguished itself through ambition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some bizarre beliefs in this thread, lol.

Vanderbilt is the answer.

Duke is just as good to be fair, maybe better, but its southern cred is minimal.

Emory is behind both.
Rice too but just because its kind of specialized.
GT is very good for a public

UNC? UF? lol

It is almost always a good practice to not give credence to any post that uses "lol".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some bizarre beliefs in this thread, lol.

Vanderbilt is the answer.

Duke is just as good to be fair, maybe better, but its southern cred is minimal.

Emory is behind both.
Rice too but just because its kind of specialized.
GT is very good for a public

UNC? UF? lol

So you are saying Vanderbilt is tops in the South by ruling out Duke as not Southern? Because historically many Duke students come from OOS?

[Anonymous]

Do not mention Duke here.
It's an insult to Duke.

[Anonymous]

And it is only wannabe South. Posers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do not mention Duke here.
It's an insult to Duke.

+1 I bet no one from Duke actually cares about any of this. Pretty much everyone knows Duke is extremely elite at this point, and they're doing their own thing very successfully. Vanderbilt and Rice are slowly getting there too where they can ascend past the whole "ivy" discussion. Stanford has been there for a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not mention Duke here.
It's an insult to Duke.

+1 I bet no one from Duke actually cares about any of this. Pretty much everyone knows Duke is extremely elite at this point, and they're doing their own thing very successfully. Vanderbilt and Rice are slowly getting there too where they can ascend past the whole "ivy" discussion. Stanford has been there for a while.

Standford, MIT >>> Any Ivy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Emory is better than Rice.

No, I disagree that Emory is better than Rice. I think of Rice as in line w the ivies any day. Here on the east coast people are so caught up with the schools here that they may not know what a top notch institution Rice is and how it is viewed everywhere else in the country. While admission rates aren't everything, there was no comparison last year between the two....Emory was at 18.5% and Rice at 8.7%. I mean no disrespect to Emory - it is a fantastic school as well....but not quite up to Rice.

Well I don't think Rice is up there with ivys, except maybe Cornell. Where did you get this info from, Emorys acceptance rate is 11%
https://www.collegekickstart.com/blog/item/class-of-2026-admission-results

Acceptance rate is a terrible indicator in many cases. It is more reflective of the efforts of the school to induce students to apply, even if they are not qualified. Tulane has excelled at this. Stats of enrolled students are a much better indicator, but even then you need to consider the percentage of the class is reflected in the stats. For class rank, for instance, many privates now have 25% or less of the class reporting rank. They can accept top 10% students reporting rank to boost that metric, but the remaining 75% are not included, and they may be accepted because they boost another metric like SAT/ACT, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not mention Duke here.
It's an insult to Duke.

+1 I bet no one from Duke actually cares about any of this. Pretty much everyone knows Duke is extremely elite at this point, and they're doing their own thing very successfully. Vanderbilt and Rice are slowly getting there too where they can ascend past the whole "ivy" discussion. Stanford has been there for a while.

Standford, MIT >>> Any Ivy

But Stanford is still not high enough to be spelled correctly it appears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do not mention Duke here.
It's an insult to Duke.

So Duke is not a candidate for "Harvard of the South"? It is so much better other schools that it is above comparison? Are Duke graduates so noticeably better than graduates of other schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not mention Duke here.
It's an insult to Duke.

So Duke is not a candidate for "Harvard of the South"? It is so much better other schools that it is above comparison? Are Duke graduates so noticeably better than graduates of other schools?

I'd say Duke and Tulane are both superior to let's say Cornell (Obviously) but, no, Duke is not Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Yes. It its. Yup. Like it or not. It is.