Barnard is Barnard, not Columbia!!!

[Anonymous]

This difference is statistically insignificant, according to the SAT’s own acknowledged margin of error.

This difference is not statistically significant when comparing one test sitting to another, or perhaps in comparing one individual who has taken the test against another (albeit this margin or error decreases substantially with multiple tests, which most applicants to both Barnard and Columbia take).

However, this difference is extremely statistically significant when comparing two groups. Taking your argument on its own terms, though, do you really think the difference between, say, Columbia women’s and Barnard women’s SAT scores is not extremely statistically significant? Because, if so, there are lots of bridges out there looking for a good buyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:WOW Harvard one seems little lesser degree but more sneaky

It says it gives you a BA in Liberal Arts degree, then says
you can pursue a field of study (similar to a major) and/or up to two minors

English, Biology, Business administration and management, Literature, Computer science, Economics, Religion, Environmental studies, Government, mathematics, History, International relations, Psychology

Do they have seperate classes? How many of these students?

For Columbia its 30% of the undergrad, and says that GS studetns take many of the same classes as the regular students.

WTF is wrong with these so called elite schools

Good luck with that comparison.

Harvard Extension gives graduates a BA in extension studies from Harvard Extension School. That’s specifically meant to keep HES grads from posing as College grads.

Columbia, OTOH, gives Barnard and CGS graduates a BA from Columbia University, same as Columbia College grads get.

So don’t go to Columbia or don’t apply if you don’t want to. What is the point of bringing this up again and again?

PP, you keep trying to compare Columbia to Harvard and Columbia's SGS with Harvard Extension School. People are telling you the comparison doesn't hold water.

The last PP is what happens when his dumb kid got rejected from Columbia GS. It's the same one poor dude that come on here with an issue with GS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard extension explicitly states you can’t say you graduated from Harvard university on your resume. It must say extension school.

Is this it?
Diploma says big ass 'Harvard University'.
Bachelor of Liberal Art in Extension Studies

I'm sure they'll put 'Harvard University' on their resume.

This is borderline scam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From a Barnard student:

1. Barnard students only get Barnard emails accounts and Columbia email aliases. The Columbia alias acts only as a forwarding address to forward to your Barnard email. Barnard students don’t actually have Columbia emails you can log into and send emails from. We used to, and Columbia students literally rallied to have them taken away from us (wtf). This means that when I send an email to a professor of a Columbia class I’m taking, my email address is marked as foreign because it’s from outside the Columbia domain. Professors get the same message when they email me. It’s a small thing but it’s alienating. Also, because we aren’t in the Columbia email domain if you type a Columbia student’s name in the “to” part of the email it doesn’t autocomplete their email address.

2. An extension of the previous point, Barnard students have Barnard google accounts, not Columbia google accounts. What this means is that when a Columbia google account makes for instance a google doc and shares it to everyone within the organization, Barnard students can’t access it. We have to click on the link and request access to the document, and then the owner of the document has to go in their email, see the request, and grant it. I’ve had professors share google docs with the class that I don’t have access to, it is extremely alienating. Same thing happens when classmates share notes, petitions, etc, I have to request access. I hate it.

3. Housing is another issue. When a Columbia student visits another Columbia student’s dorm, all they have to do is swipe their ID at the main desk and then they can go in. This is the same for when a Barnard student visits another Barnard dorm. But when a Barnard student wants to visit a friend with a Columbia dorm, they have to be signed in by the Columbia student as a guest. The same thing applies for when a Columbia student is visiting a Barnard dorm. Again, this feels very alienating because we are being treated different from the other Columbia students. Once I had a Professor host office hours in the lounge of a Columbia dorm, which meant that I couldn’t go to the office hours without finding someone to sign me into the building! Also, in student group chats I’ll regularly see people talking about movie nights in the Columbia dorms that I can’t easily go to without having to awkwardly ask someone to sign me in as a guest.

4. Meal plans are another thing. Columbia and Barnard meal plans are different. Columbia students can use meal swipes at Barnard dining halls and Barnard students can use their meal swipes at Columbia dining halls. In other words, meal swipes are universal. However, dining points are NOT. And here’s my gripe with this. Columbia main campus has 6 cafes around campus (that only take Columbia dining points). Barnard only has 2 cafes (which only take Barnard points). If a Columbia student and a Barnard student each have the same amount of dining points, but the Columbia student has 6 places to spend them and Barnard students only have 2, that doesn’t really feel fair/equal. If I’m hanging out with CC/SEAS friends and we all go to a Columbia cafe to eat, they can all use their student ID to pay with points, and I have to take out cash or a credit card. Not to mention that Columbia’s cafes are much higher quality and have much more options than Barnard’s. Barnard’s cafes are tiny little coffee shops with some pastries. Columbia’s cafes have bubble tea, soft serve ice cream, make your own sub sandwich, etc. Additionally, Columbia meal plans come with these things called flex points which Barnard meal plans don’t have. These flex points can be spent at local grocery stores and hardware shops and the like, it seems very convenient because I already shop at those stores at lot, but I can’t use my student ID to pay like a Columbia student can. Overall it feels like Barnard students get the short end of the stick with regards to dining, when we pay the same price for our Barnard meal plans.

5. Work opportunities. Columbia has a website where Columbia alumni can post job opportunities for other Columbia students to browse. Barnard has a similar website where Barnard alumnae post job opportunities for Barnard students to browse. Barnard students cannot access the Columbia website, and Columbia students cannot access the Barnard website. Since Columbia’s alumni network is so much larger than Barnard’s, it follows that the Columbia website is just going to have a lot more opportunities listed. What this means is that if a Barnard student wants access to those job opportunities, you have to ask a Columbia friend to log into the website and let you browse it on their account. It just feels alienating, like we don’t get access to the same resources that Columbia students do.

6. STEM classes. Here’s the bottom line. The general student body views Columbia STEM classes as being more rigorous and therefore of a higher quality than Barnard STEM classes. A Barnard biology major is allowed to take the Columbia biology sequence instead of the Barnard biology sequence and have it still count towards their degree requirements. BUT a Columbia biology major CANNOT take the Barnard biology sequence instead of the Columbia biology sequence, it will not fulfill their Columbia biology degree requirements. This incongruity has an implication: that the Barnard classes are easier or of a lower quality; that while Barnard students can choose to substitute the “easier” Barnard classes with the harder Columbia classes, a Columbia student can’t take an “easier” Barnard class in lieu of the harder Columbia class. This degree requirement incongruity implies a certain inferiority to Barnard. Now whether or not the STEM classes at Barnard are actually worse is debatable, but the Columbia administration definitely views them that way regardless.

7. Student health insurance plans are different for Barnard and Columbia students. Columbia’s student health insurance is better than Barnard’s in my opinion. Since Columbia has so much more money, they can provide insurance plans better than what Barnard is able to afford.

8. Columbia has a volunteer ambulance squad run by students that responds to medical emergencies on campus for no cost. Since the squad is volunteer based, no students get paid for their service on it. HOWEVER, Columbia students on the squad with financial aid packages have their “student contribution” amount reduced because as a volunteer they will have less time to work. This results in their grant amount being increased. The same is not true for Barnard students, since Barnard doesn’t have the budget to do that. Plenty of Barnard students are still on the squad, but don’t get increased financial aid because of it.

9. Barnard is very strong with regards to the humanities and social sciences, but it's STEM departments are seriously lacking (and I say this as a STEM student). Barnard’s STEM departments have less course offerings, less professors, smaller budgets, etc. As a physics major, barnard’s physics department only has introductory physics classes, and all the higher level courses needed for my degree are only offered at Columbia. Up until recently Barnard didn’t even have its own computer science department, and Barnard CS majors still take the vast majority of their classes at Columbia.

This is the strongest case that proves Barnard is a separate school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a Barnard student:

1. Barnard students only get Barnard emails accounts and Columbia email aliases. The Columbia alias acts only as a forwarding address to forward to your Barnard email. Barnard students don’t actually have Columbia emails you can log into and send emails from. We used to, and Columbia students literally rallied to have them taken away from us (wtf). This means that when I send an email to a professor of a Columbia class I’m taking, my email address is marked as foreign because it’s from outside the Columbia domain. Professors get the same message when they email me. It’s a small thing but it’s alienating. Also, because we aren’t in the Columbia email domain if you type a Columbia student’s name in the “to” part of the email it doesn’t autocomplete their email address.

2. An extension of the previous point, Barnard students have Barnard google accounts, not Columbia google accounts. What this means is that when a Columbia google account makes for instance a google doc and shares it to everyone within the organization, Barnard students can’t access it. We have to click on the link and request access to the document, and then the owner of the document has to go in their email, see the request, and grant it. I’ve had professors share google docs with the class that I don’t have access to, it is extremely alienating. Same thing happens when classmates share notes, petitions, etc, I have to request access. I hate it.

3. Housing is another issue. When a Columbia student visits another Columbia student’s dorm, all they have to do is swipe their ID at the main desk and then they can go in. This is the same for when a Barnard student visits another Barnard dorm. But when a Barnard student wants to visit a friend with a Columbia dorm, they have to be signed in by the Columbia student as a guest. The same thing applies for when a Columbia student is visiting a Barnard dorm. Again, this feels very alienating because we are being treated different from the other Columbia students. Once I had a Professor host office hours in the lounge of a Columbia dorm, which meant that I couldn’t go to the office hours without finding someone to sign me into the building! Also, in student group chats I’ll regularly see people talking about movie nights in the Columbia dorms that I can’t easily go to without having to awkwardly ask someone to sign me in as a guest.

4. Meal plans are another thing. Columbia and Barnard meal plans are different. Columbia students can use meal swipes at Barnard dining halls and Barnard students can use their meal swipes at Columbia dining halls. In other words, meal swipes are universal. However, dining points are NOT. And here’s my gripe with this. Columbia main campus has 6 cafes around campus (that only take Columbia dining points). Barnard only has 2 cafes (which only take Barnard points). If a Columbia student and a Barnard student each have the same amount of dining points, but the Columbia student has 6 places to spend them and Barnard students only have 2, that doesn’t really feel fair/equal. If I’m hanging out with CC/SEAS friends and we all go to a Columbia cafe to eat, they can all use their student ID to pay with points, and I have to take out cash or a credit card. Not to mention that Columbia’s cafes are much higher quality and have much more options than Barnard’s. Barnard’s cafes are tiny little coffee shops with some pastries. Columbia’s cafes have bubble tea, soft serve ice cream, make your own sub sandwich, etc. Additionally, Columbia meal plans come with these things called flex points which Barnard meal plans don’t have. These flex points can be spent at local grocery stores and hardware shops and the like, it seems very convenient because I already shop at those stores at lot, but I can’t use my student ID to pay like a Columbia student can. Overall it feels like Barnard students get the short end of the stick with regards to dining, when we pay the same price for our Barnard meal plans.

5. Work opportunities. Columbia has a website where Columbia alumni can post job opportunities for other Columbia students to browse. Barnard has a similar website where Barnard alumnae post job opportunities for Barnard students to browse. Barnard students cannot access the Columbia website, and Columbia students cannot access the Barnard website. Since Columbia’s alumni network is so much larger than Barnard’s, it follows that the Columbia website is just going to have a lot more opportunities listed. What this means is that if a Barnard student wants access to those job opportunities, you have to ask a Columbia friend to log into the website and let you browse it on their account. It just feels alienating, like we don’t get access to the same resources that Columbia students do.

6. STEM classes. Here’s the bottom line. The general student body views Columbia STEM classes as being more rigorous and therefore of a higher quality than Barnard STEM classes. A Barnard biology major is allowed to take the Columbia biology sequence instead of the Barnard biology sequence and have it still count towards their degree requirements. BUT a Columbia biology major CANNOT take the Barnard biology sequence instead of the Columbia biology sequence, it will not fulfill their Columbia biology degree requirements. This incongruity has an implication: that the Barnard classes are easier or of a lower quality; that while Barnard students can choose to substitute the “easier” Barnard classes with the harder Columbia classes, a Columbia student can’t take an “easier” Barnard class in lieu of the harder Columbia class. This degree requirement incongruity implies a certain inferiority to Barnard. Now whether or not the STEM classes at Barnard are actually worse is debatable, but the Columbia administration definitely views them that way regardless.

7. Student health insurance plans are different for Barnard and Columbia students. Columbia’s student health insurance is better than Barnard’s in my opinion. Since Columbia has so much more money, they can provide insurance plans better than what Barnard is able to afford.

8. Columbia has a volunteer ambulance squad run by students that responds to medical emergencies on campus for no cost. Since the squad is volunteer based, no students get paid for their service on it. HOWEVER, Columbia students on the squad with financial aid packages have their “student contribution” amount reduced because as a volunteer they will have less time to work. This results in their grant amount being increased. The same is not true for Barnard students, since Barnard doesn’t have the budget to do that. Plenty of Barnard students are still on the squad, but don’t get increased financial aid because of it.

9. Barnard is very strong with regards to the humanities and social sciences, but it's STEM departments are seriously lacking (and I say this as a STEM student). Barnard’s STEM departments have less course offerings, less professors, smaller budgets, etc. As a physics major, barnard’s physics department only has introductory physics classes, and all the higher level courses needed for my degree are only offered at Columbia. Up until recently Barnard didn’t even have its own computer science department, and Barnard CS majors still take the vast majority of their classes at Columbia.

This is the strongest case that proves Barnard is a separate school.

It's a separate school and separate admission on CommonApp.
Enough already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard extension explicitly states you can’t say you graduated from Harvard university on your resume. It must say extension school.

Is this it?
Diploma says big ass 'Harvard University'.
Bachelor of Liberal Art in Extension Studies

I'm sure they'll put 'Harvard University' on their resume.

This is borderline scam.

On LinkedIn, there's a pulldown menu asking for the specific Harvard school--Harvard College, HES, Harvard Law, etc. Some try to put down Harvard College and when they get reported, complain about "policing."

Of course, you know all this, Columbia PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard extension explicitly states you can’t say you graduated from Harvard university on your resume. It must say extension school.

Is this it?
Diploma says big ass 'Harvard University'.
Bachelor of Liberal Art in Extension Studies

I'm sure they'll put 'Harvard University' on their resume.

This is borderline scam.

On LinkedIn, there's a pulldown menu asking for the specific Harvard school--Harvard College, HES, Harvard Law, etc. Some try to put down Harvard College and when they get reported, complain about "policing."

Of course, you know all this, Columbia PP.

OMG, get a life GS reject. Get some therapy. It's weird when someone is this obsessed about a degree he or his kid doesn't own.

[Anonymous]

You all are so obsessed. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. Career Services instructs students to put Barnard College, Columbia University or Barnard College of Columbia University. My kid is at Cornell and they have friends at Barnard-everyone considers it part of Columbia University. Did your kids get rejected from Barnard or something? Borderline unhealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all are so obsessed. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. Career Services instructs students to put Barnard College, Columbia University or Barnard College of Columbia University. My kid is at Cornell and they have friends at Barnard-everyone considers it part of Columbia University. Did your kids get rejected from Barnard or something? Borderline unhealthy.

Really?

Cornell people wouldn't miss an opportunity to bring down Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are so obsessed. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. Career Services instructs students to put Barnard College, Columbia University or Barnard College of Columbia University. My kid is at Cornell and they have friends at Barnard-everyone considers it part of Columbia University. Did your kids get rejected from Barnard or something? Borderline unhealthy.

Really?

Cornell people wouldn't miss an opportunity to bring down Columbia.

Not sure what that means but when my kid at Cornell had a Barnard kid visit they went to a fraternity party and the guy she met there started joking oh Barnard so you go to a real Ivy (in lieu of Cornell). The Frat Boys at Cornell consider it part of Columbia--case closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are so obsessed. The degree says Columbia University, Barnard College. Career Services instructs students to put Barnard College, Columbia University or Barnard College of Columbia University. My kid is at Cornell and they have friends at Barnard-everyone considers it part of Columbia University. Did your kids get rejected from Barnard or something? Borderline unhealthy.

Really?

Cornell people wouldn't miss an opportunity to bring down Columbia.

Not sure what that means but when my kid at Cornell had a Barnard kid visit they went to a fraternity party and the guy she met there started joking oh Barnard so you go to a real Ivy (in lieu of Cornell). The Frat Boys at Cornell consider it part of Columbia--case closed.

Lmao. No one considers Barnard an Ivy.

[Anonymous]

https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

Everyone here can’t do a simple Google search. AS SHOWN by Columbia’s own website - Barnard is Columbia ENOUGH SAID.

Their admissions acceptance rate was 8% this year.

Barnard and Columbia share many departments and cross majors - for example Philosophy and Math departments are the SAME for both CC and BC.

In fact some of Barnard’s programs are seen as stronger - for example political science program is often regarded as stronger (classes, faculty, etc.) than Columbia’s and for that reason, CC students opt to take BC political science classes more (I’m a CC student studying political science).

If you want to get into technicalities - Barnard is an Ivy - the Ivy League is at its core a sports league - all BC girls play on Columbia teams integrated with CC, Engineering, GS.

I saw another point of Barnard girls not having Columbia. Edu emails - this is complete false - clearly that OP doesn’t attend Columbia and doesn’t know - ALL BC girls receive Columbia.edu emails (which they retain after graduation)

All schools take classes cross-functionally- I.e CC can take BC courses and Vice versa…

[Anonymous]

Saw another post about SAT difference:

Barnard’s Admission Profile 2026
https://connect.barnard.edu/www/documents/Admitted%20Class%20Profile%2C%20Class%20of%202026.pdf

Columbia’s Admissions Profile 2025
https://undergrad.admissions.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/2021-11/class_of_2025_profile_8.19_final.pdf

Couldn’t find 2026 for Columbia… BUT the point remains - the SAT difference isn’t huge and consequently tbh very much incremental.

Seems like BC has a bigger spread but that can be attributed to different reporting standards * note both are middle 50% but the range for BC is nearly 100 points vs Columbia’s of 50 points (difference of 3-5 QUESTIONS on the SAT)

Also SAT ISNT the best or an absolute indicator of intelligence and anyone who claims otherwise is snobby and stuck in the high school mentality - this is why most major colleges are increasingly moving away from SAT and Standardized testing in general

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard extension explicitly states you can’t say you graduated from Harvard university on your resume. It must say extension school.

Is this it?
Diploma says big ass 'Harvard University'.
Bachelor of Liberal Art in Extension Studies

I'm sure they'll put 'Harvard University' on their resume.

This is borderline scam.

On LinkedIn, there's a pulldown menu asking for the specific Harvard school--Harvard College, HES, Harvard Law, etc. Some try to put down Harvard College and when they get reported, complain about "policing."

Of course, you know all this, Columbia PP.

OMG, get a life GS reject. Get some therapy. It's weird when someone is this obsessed about a degree he or his kid doesn't own.

DP but what’s so irritating about this is that the people who brag about their kid’s “admission to Harvard Extension” are the same people who never miss a chance to criticize universities and professors as “liberal elitists” and mock anything intellectual. So lots of us are rolling our eyes at their enthusiasm to brag about HES as if it were a regular Harvard degree. So little awareness in so many ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

Everyone here can’t do a simple Google search. AS SHOWN by Columbia’s own website - Barnard is Columbia ENOUGH SAID.

Their admissions acceptance rate was 8% this year.

Barnard and Columbia share many departments and cross majors - for example Philosophy and Math departments are the SAME for both CC and BC.

In fact some of Barnard’s programs are seen as stronger - for example political science program is often regarded as stronger (classes, faculty, etc.) than Columbia’s and for that reason, CC students opt to take BC political science classes more (I’m a CC student studying political science).

If you want to get into technicalities - Barnard is an Ivy - the Ivy League is at its core a sports league - all BC girls play on Columbia teams integrated with CC, Engineering, GS.

I saw another point of Barnard girls not having Columbia. Edu emails - this is complete false - clearly that OP doesn’t attend Columbia and doesn’t know - ALL BC girls receive Columbia.edu emails (which they retain after graduation)

All schools take classes cross-functionally- I.e CC can take BC courses and Vice versa…

Just stop.