Predictions for full time in person in the Fall please

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stokes: Spring 2022 when the vaccine is released for kids.

Crazies are ruling Stokes.

is stoked actually planning for a full extra year of DL??? their federal funds should be pulled. ffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the above thread:

Here is a recent quote from the DME. Compared to other districts DCPS is much more non committal about the fall.

"We also believe and, I know I personally think this, the virus is insidious and we have no idea what the world will look like in September. We do know that there will be no child vaccine, probably, by then and so we need to prepare for a September that is not necessarily going to be normal. So we should be preparing for a September that could have some version of hybrid or virtual ongoing. So we also think it's important that we continue to support our teachers who are at the center of this endeavor as they continue strengthening their virtual education skills.”

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjt5FDgYuE&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=DCSBOE at 8:00)

I was the one who posted this. I still hope that we will come to his senses. I hope he just said this without thinking it through.

He is really careful about what he says. More recently at ward three education network meeting he said that getting back five days per week versus hybrid would depend on how many people got vaccinated and that there are too many unknowns. I am concerned that teachers will still petition to stay at home in numbers significant enough to mean a combo of hybrid for some, DL for some (with t the teachers that petitioned doing the DL) and full in person for iep etc. It will be decided school by school probably. In the absence of parent advocacy efforts making a difference I think that this is how it will play out. It makes sense that the pandemic will not be completely behind us because according to the experts herd immunity may not take place until 85 percent are vaccinated. Not only will children not be vaccinated but vaccine hesitancy is high among those most at risk in DC. The teachers will be able to point tt out that vaccines are not fully effective against the variants so the teachers with health problems of which there are many will stay home. This is i think what DME is seeing. With a big parent advocacy effort, however, I think that the changing of cdc guidelines and surrounding districts reopening will put pressure. It will come down to where the city feels the most pressure - from the WTU or parents. They may in any case use Wednesdays as a bargaining chip to try to get cooperation from t teachers by making them a planning day. Hope I'm wrong!

Fire him. I’ll start that petition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the above thread:

Here is a recent quote from the DME. Compared to other districts DCPS is much more non committal about the fall.

"We also believe and, I know I personally think this, the virus is insidious and we have no idea what the world will look like in September. We do know that there will be no child vaccine, probably, by then and so we need to prepare for a September that is not necessarily going to be normal. So we should be preparing for a September that could have some version of hybrid or virtual ongoing. So we also think it's important that we continue to support our teachers who are at the center of this endeavor as they continue strengthening their virtual education skills.”

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjt5FDgYuE&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=DCSBOE at 8:00)

I was the one who posted this. I still hope that we will come to his senses. I hope he just said this without thinking it through.

Between things like that, and various reports that charters have heard from OSSE to prepare for hybrid in the fall, I don't have particularly high hopes for full-time in-person. Particularly face-to-face with teachers.

Also, someone posted on DCUM that Wilson's principal (I think?) said they were preparing for full time in the fall, so I hope that I'm wrong.

Where did you hear OSSE told charters to prepare for hybrid? Can you post that?

[Anonymous]

Has Bowser or BOE actually said anything about planning for full-time in the fall? Like, just PLANNING for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the above thread:

Here is a recent quote from the DME. Compared to other districts DCPS is much more non committal about the fall.

"We also believe and, I know I personally think this, the virus is insidious and we have no idea what the world will look like in September. We do know that there will be no child vaccine, probably, by then and so we need to prepare for a September that is not necessarily going to be normal. So we should be preparing for a September that could have some version of hybrid or virtual ongoing. So we also think it's important that we continue to support our teachers who are at the center of this endeavor as they continue strengthening their virtual education skills.”

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjt5FDgYuE&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=DCSBOE at 8:00)

I was the one who posted this. I still hope that we will come to his senses. I hope he just said this without thinking it through.

Between things like that, and various reports that charters have heard from OSSE to prepare for hybrid in the fall, I don't have particularly high hopes for full-time in-person. Particularly face-to-face with teachers.

Also, someone posted on DCUM that Wilson's principal (I think?) said they were preparing for full time in the fall, so I hope that I'm wrong.

Where did you hear OSSE told charters to prepare for hybrid? Can you post that?

I'm PP. It wasn't ALL charters, it was individuals relaying what they'd heard at their individual charters. It's somewhere on DCUM....let me try and find them....

Ok, here's one where someone's talking about what their charter admin is saying: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/953773.page#19403096

There's this one, too: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/955831.page

There were a couple other comments from people at charters; those might be all one charter, who knows.

As you might imagine, I am a bit nervous about Fall and am trying desperately to get any info. It would be very very helpful if the Mayor or BOE would say ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE about the fall.

[Anonymous]

I have zero confidence that my elementary school charter will offer anything beyond 2 days a week in the fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the above thread:

Here is a recent quote from the DME. Compared to other districts DCPS is much more non committal about the fall.

"We also believe and, I know I personally think this, the virus is insidious and we have no idea what the world will look like in September. We do know that there will be no child vaccine, probably, by then and so we need to prepare for a September that is not necessarily going to be normal. So we should be preparing for a September that could have some version of hybrid or virtual ongoing. So we also think it's important that we continue to support our teachers who are at the center of this endeavor as they continue strengthening their virtual education skills.”

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRjt5FDgYuE&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=DCSBOE at 8:00)

I was the one who posted this. I still hope that we will come to his senses. I hope he just said this without thinking it through.

Between things like that, and various reports that charters have heard from OSSE to prepare for hybrid in the fall, I don't have particularly high hopes for full-time in-person. Particularly face-to-face with teachers.

Also, someone posted on DCUM that Wilson's principal (I think?) said they were preparing for full time in the fall, so I hope that I'm wrong.

Where did you hear OSSE told charters to prepare for hybrid? Can you post that?

I'm PP. It wasn't ALL charters, it was individuals relaying what they'd heard at their individual charters. It's somewhere on DCUM....let me try and find them....

Ok, here's one where someone's talking about what their charter admin is saying: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/953773.page#19403096

There's this one, too: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/955831.page

There were a couple other comments from people at charters; those might be all one charter, who knows.

As you might imagine, I am a bit nervous about Fall and am trying desperately to get any info. It would be very very helpful if the Mayor or BOE would say ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE about the fall.

What chancellor said a few days ago was that DCPS is planning concurrently for all scenarios and will decide on one when the health situation becomes clearer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

No, I am choosing to be rational and am weighing the risks (I do tend to be a worrier, but I have learned to fight that tendency when it really counts). "One teenager's story" (plus other anecdotal reports) is not going to make me decide that this potential but likely low risk outweighs the definitive and significant risks of further deprivation of in-person school for millions of teenagers. I'm also following the discussion of Covid risks in other countries, and notice that these kinds of stories and potential risks are not hyped nearly as much anywhere as they are here, and don't determine policy in other countries.

[Anonymous]

It is unbelievable to read all of this hysteria continues - promoted by DC “leadership”.

Florida had had schools open since September in person and full time. And did disaster strike? No! In fact, they are all happy and living their lives. The Covid case rate is lower in schools than surrounding community. Florida is doing just fine.

The DMV has dug in on its unfounded “Covid is killing us all” mantra. It is insane. Nothing in this world backs up the poor decision making.

Bowser had her moment. Perhaps she would care more if her daughter was school aged. Her anti-child Covid restrictions reveal her lack of intellect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

No, I am choosing to be rational and am weighing the risks (I do tend to be a worrier, but I have learned to fight that tendency when it really counts). "One teenager's story" (plus other anecdotal reports) is not going to make me decide that this potential but likely low risk outweighs the definitive and significant risks of further deprivation of in-person school for millions of teenagers. I'm also following the discussion of Covid risks in other countries, and notice that these kinds of stories and potential risks are not hyped nearly as much anywhere as they are here, and don't determine policy in other countries.

No, you aren’t a worrier if you dismiss this as just “one teenager’s story.” You should know after doctors do not know enough about the long term effects. That’s not anecdotal! You got some serious Dunning-Kruger Effect going on!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

This is one case. ONE. Give us some actual data if you’re going to fear monger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

No, I am choosing to be rational and am weighing the risks (I do tend to be a worrier, but I have learned to fight that tendency when it really counts). "One teenager's story" (plus other anecdotal reports) is not going to make me decide that this potential but likely low risk outweighs the definitive and significant risks of further deprivation of in-person school for millions of teenagers. I'm also following the discussion of Covid risks in other countries, and notice that these kinds of stories and potential risks are not hyped nearly as much anywhere as they are here, and don't determine policy in other countries.

No, you aren’t a worrier if you dismiss this as just “one teenager’s story.” You should know after doctors do not know enough about the long term effects. That’s not anecdotal! You got some serious Dunning-Kruger Effect going on!

Dunning Kruger right back atcha, if you think you can judge from my post that I must not be a worrier (trust me, I am), or how well I am equipped to assess risks (you know nothing about my professional background). And it sounds like you would diagnose public health experts around the world with the same limitations, as despite the existing unknowns, almost none of them are recommending that teens be denied access to proper schooling until they can be vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

No, I am choosing to be rational and am weighing the risks (I do tend to be a worrier, but I have learned to fight that tendency when it really counts). "One teenager's story" (plus other anecdotal reports) is not going to make me decide that this potential but likely low risk outweighs the definitive and significant risks of further deprivation of in-person school for millions of teenagers. I'm also following the discussion of Covid risks in other countries, and notice that these kinds of stories and potential risks are not hyped nearly as much anywhere as they are here, and don't determine policy in other countries.

No, you aren’t a worrier if you dismiss this as just “one teenager’s story.” You should know after doctors do not know enough about the long term effects. That’s not anecdotal! You got some serious Dunning-Kruger Effect going on!

Dunning Kruger right back atcha, if you think you can judge from my post that I must not be a worrier (trust me, I am), or how well I am equipped to assess risks (you know nothing about my professional background). And it sounds like you would diagnose public health experts around the world with the same limitations, as despite the existing unknowns, almost none of them are recommending that teens be denied access to proper schooling until they can be vaccinated.

Oh, and the article you posted is a blog post, and is literally titled "one teenager's story". That doesn't mean doctors know enough about the long term effects, but it does mean you haven't presented convincing evidence that such rare cases of prolonged effects (which we can't possibly know if they are long term) should guide policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PK-5 will be FT in person and that any school that struggles to handle that will be in trouble with parents and DCPS (including charters).

I think MS and HS are going to be tricky and that MS in particular is going to prove problematic because kids normally switch classrooms and participate in more specialized classes and none of those kids will be able to vaccinate by September. I could easily see MS and HS being hybrid in the fall but I think there will be enormous pressure to offer as much in person as possible.

I've heard a number of well-respected epidemiologists and virologists talk about how younger kids can be well protected from the virus before vaccination because if teachers and parents are vaccinated it creates an umbrella of protection for these kids who spend all of their time with vaccinated adults. It's a harder question with older children. 16 and up will be able to vaccinate by September, but no one else will. Plus kids this age are more social and independent and that's going to impact trust by the teacher's union as well as families who are happy with DL and reluctant to return. And you need those groups on board.

But if the parents of middle schoolers are vaccinated, then why would they worry about their middle schoolers? The chances of Covid harming them are lower than the flu. How did these parents ever send their kids to school?

I think the issue is they are in that brackish age of getting Covid and getting sick and not getting vaxxed. So 6th and 7th maybe no issue but 8th?

If the vax goes down to age 12 by the fall then I don't see why MS wouldn't open normally.

I do think we will see the pediatric vax sooner than we think. I'm prepping my kid mentally to be jabbed.

But middle schoolers' risk of getting severely sick or dying from Covid is lower than it is for the flu (despite the flu vaccine). So this is just not logical.

Long term effects aren’t fully known. Doctors have seen increase in long term problems in healthy people (even teens) with mild covid. For example: https://www.lung.org/blog/long-term-covid-19-effects

You are so dismissive of the unknown.

This is one case. ONE. Give us some actual data if you’re going to fear monger.

You are exhausting. Google your on your own!