Fed up with Mayor Bowser's Lack of Crackdown on the Proud Boys and Related Fascists

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How has she cracked down on people protesting violence against Blacks? She seems to be quite supportive of BLM and related causes?

As for the Proud Boys, there is only so much she can do. They have a right to protest. When people move from protest to violence (or other illegal activity), steps can be taken against them. But they have a right to demonstrate/protest as much as anyone else.

MPD surrounded and arrested (or tried to arrest) a bunch of people protesting in support of Black lives a couple of months ago. Their violation? Violating curfew. I'd argue, they were out for a good cause. Met with pepper spray, rubber bullets, arrests.

Her support for BLM has been superficial. Painting a slogan.

But then when fascists looking to start fights come to DC starting trouble, she does nothing. They could have been arrested for carrying weapons, refusal to wear masks, or starting fights. There should have been mass arrests as soon as they took one step out of line. Instead, MPD is accommodating them.

evidence for this?

Look at how many BLM protestors were pepper sprayed, tear gassed, kettles and arrested. There are plenty of articles and videos of that.

Did you see the same happen to the proud boys? There are videos of them hitting people and MPD not doing anything about it. They defaced church property, and MPD did nothing about it. Have you looked at what happened this past weekend?

The BLM protests were much bigger and engaged in organized and planned civil disobedience (like jumping over fences) and also propety destruction. Proud Boys were smaller and did not apparently plan high-profile civil disobedience. So I am not surprised if the number of arrests are smaller. It seems possible that there is a difference in enforcement but I wouldn’t make conclusions based on out-of-context videos you found on Twitter.

That's just not true. Street brawling is at the core of the group. Do you know nothing about them? This isn't just out of context videos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

Yep. And in this case, the instigators were the so-called "counter protesters" -- the larping Antifa losers who absolutely do NOT believe in free speech (or democracy) and gather illegally to attack and/or provoke a violent response. Both sides are moronic idiots deserving of condemnation... but Antifa are worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

There is zero about you little boys related to peaceful assembly. Your intent was violence and that's what you were caught doing. I'm addition to that, your "Western Chauvinism" is still just racism. You're not doing a good job of hiding it.

DP. I seriously doubt the 'Proud Boys' or whatever they're called have much of a presence on DCUM. In any case, them being racist, while wrong, is not a crime.

They aren't even racist it seems - their leader is hispanic, and there are black members.

They are testosterone-OD'd lunkheads though, with odious nativist and anti-democratic leanings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

There is zero about you little boys related to peaceful assembly. Your intent was violence and that's what you were caught doing. I'm addition to that, your "Western Chauvinism" is still just racism. You're not doing a good job of hiding it.

DP. I seriously doubt the 'Proud Boys' or whatever they're called have much of a presence on DCUM. In any case, them being racist, while wrong, is not a crime.

They aren't even racist it seems - their leader is hispanic, and there are black members.

They are testosterone-OD'd lunkheads though, with odious nativist and anti-democratic leanings.

That's really poor logic. You can have POC in a movement that is racist.

There were high ranking Jewish officers in the German Nazi army. It was still anti-semitic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

There is zero about you little boys related to peaceful assembly. Your intent was violence and that's what you were caught doing. I'm addition to that, your "Western Chauvinism" is still just racism. You're not doing a good job of hiding it.

DP. I seriously doubt the 'Proud Boys' or whatever they're called have much of a presence on DCUM. In any case, them being racist, while wrong, is not a crime.

They aren't even racist it seems - their leader is hispanic, and there are black members.

They are testosterone-OD'd lunkheads though, with odious nativist and anti-democratic leanings.

That's really poor logic. You can have POC in a movement that is racist.

There were high ranking Jewish officers in the German Nazi army. It was still anti-semitic.

If Jews didn’t conform, they’d be killed. Can you prove same about Proud Boys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

There is zero about you little boys related to peaceful assembly. Your intent was violence and that's what you were caught doing. I'm addition to that, your "Western Chauvinism" is still just racism. You're not doing a good job of hiding it.

DP. I seriously doubt the 'Proud Boys' or whatever they're called have much of a presence on DCUM. In any case, them being racist, while wrong, is not a crime.

They aren't even racist it seems - their leader is hispanic, and there are black members.

They are testosterone-OD'd lunkheads though, with odious nativist and anti-democratic leanings.

That's really poor logic. You can have POC in a movement that is racist.

There were high ranking Jewish officers in the German Nazi army. It was still anti-semitic.

If Jews didn’t conform, they’d be killed. Can you prove same about Proud Boys?

Oh, is that the only way someone can be racist against their own kind? You're asking the wrong questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

Yep. And in this case, the instigators were the so-called "counter protesters" -- the larping Antifa losers who absolutely do NOT believe in free speech (or democracy) and gather illegally to attack and/or provoke a violent response. Both sides are moronic idiots deserving of condemnation... but Antifa are worse.

agreed except I think Antifa are less violent. However I think they are worse in that they disrupt the ability of “my” side to engage in peaceful, non-violent protest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How has she cracked down on people protesting violence against Blacks? She seems to be quite supportive of BLM and related causes?

As for the Proud Boys, there is only so much she can do. They have a right to protest. When people move from protest to violence (or other illegal activity), steps can be taken against them. But they have a right to demonstrate/protest as much as anyone else.

MPD surrounded and arrested (or tried to arrest) a bunch of people protesting in support of Black lives a couple of months ago. Their violation? Violating curfew. I'd argue, they were out for a good cause. Met with pepper spray, rubber bullets, arrests.

Her support for BLM has been superficial. Painting a slogan.

But then when fascists looking to start fights come to DC starting trouble, she does nothing. They could have been arrested for carrying weapons, refusal to wear masks, or starting fights. There should have been mass arrests as soon as they took one step out of line. Instead, MPD is accommodating them.

evidence for this?

Look at how many BLM protestors were pepper sprayed, tear gassed, kettles and arrested. There are plenty of articles and videos of that.

Did you see the same happen to the proud boys? There are videos of them hitting people and MPD not doing anything about it. They defaced church property, and MPD did nothing about it. Have you looked at what happened this past weekend?

The BLM protests were much bigger and engaged in organized and planned civil disobedience (like jumping over fences) and also propety destruction. Proud Boys were smaller and did not apparently plan high-profile civil disobedience. So I am not surprised if the number of arrests are smaller. It seems possible that there is a difference in enforcement but I wouldn’t make conclusions based on out-of-context videos you found on Twitter.

That's just not true. Street brawling is at the core of the group. Do you know nothing about them? This isn't just out of context videos.

do you know the difference between civil disobedience and street fighting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How has she cracked down on people protesting violence against Blacks? She seems to be quite supportive of BLM and related causes?

As for the Proud Boys, there is only so much she can do. They have a right to protest. When people move from protest to violence (or other illegal activity), steps can be taken against them. But they have a right to demonstrate/protest as much as anyone else.

MPD surrounded and arrested (or tried to arrest) a bunch of people protesting in support of Black lives a couple of months ago. Their violation? Violating curfew. I'd argue, they were out for a good cause. Met with pepper spray, rubber bullets, arrests.

Her support for BLM has been superficial. Painting a slogan.

But then when fascists looking to start fights come to DC starting trouble, she does nothing. They could have been arrested for carrying weapons, refusal to wear masks, or starting fights. There should have been mass arrests as soon as they took one step out of line. Instead, MPD is accommodating them.

evidence for this?

Look at how many BLM protestors were pepper sprayed, tear gassed, kettles and arrested. There are plenty of articles and videos of that.

Did you see the same happen to the proud boys? There are videos of them hitting people and MPD not doing anything about it. They defaced church property, and MPD did nothing about it. Have you looked at what happened this past weekend?

The BLM protests were much bigger and engaged in organized and planned civil disobedience (like jumping over fences) and also propety destruction. Proud Boys were smaller and did not apparently plan high-profile civil disobedience. So I am not surprised if the number of arrests are smaller. It seems possible that there is a difference in enforcement but I wouldn’t make conclusions based on out-of-context videos you found on Twitter.

Their twitter account states differently. Also did you see their armor in the pictures from Saturday. They had better armor protection than MPD officers were wearing. Looks like you're wrong as they did come to engage in civil disobedience

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

There is zero about you little boys related to peaceful assembly. Your intent was violence and that's what you were caught doing. I'm addition to that, your "Western Chauvinism" is still just racism. You're not doing a good job of hiding it.

DP. I seriously doubt the 'Proud Boys' or whatever they're called have much of a presence on DCUM. In any case, them being racist, while wrong, is not a crime.

They aren't even racist it seems - their leader is hispanic, and there are black members.

They are testosterone-OD'd lunkheads though, with odious nativist and anti-democratic leanings.

Logic fail. They think they are inherently different from other Hispanics and Blacks. BTW, Hispanic is not a race because a person can be Hispanic and still white, Black, or Indigenous Americans. Jews worked with the Nazis. Other Blacks worked with slaveholders and often snitched when others attempted an escape. Black people went undercover for J. Edgar Hoover to infiltrate the Black Panthers, SNCC, Nation of Islam and MLK, Jr.'s Freedom Operation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

NP. I have nothign for disdain and hatred for the Proud Boys. But I don't think the government should treat groups differently because of the beliefs they espouse. If you do, you don't really understand much about this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're taking about groups engaged in illegal activities. It's up to police discretion whether or not to take action.

For example, most MPD will choose not to enforce driving while texting laws.

In this case, MPD chose to crack down on BLM protestors for violating curfew, but chose not to crack down on fascist protestors for equal violations.

It's completely backwards and has nothing to do with the constitution. The proud little boys come here to pick fights, not peacefully protest.

Really? Are you sure you want to advocate that? So you're OK with the police arresting young black men for walking down the street smoking a joint, but not white men? After all, they're both engaging in illegal activity, and the police have discretion to act or not. How about a black man carrying a gun v a white man carrying a gun?

And you're fine with the police shooting a black man who resists arrest, but calmly talking down a white man who does the same thing? After all, they have discretion, right?

You may want to revisit this position - "police discretion" rarely is helpful to minority communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

Yep. And in this case, the instigators were the so-called "counter protesters" -- the larping Antifa losers who absolutely do NOT believe in free speech (or democracy) and gather illegally to attack and/or provoke a violent response. Both sides are moronic idiots deserving of condemnation... but Antifa are worse.

Disagree completely. Proud Boys and the white supremacists are all about hurting people. Antifa hurt property. Do you see the difference there?

I'm no fan of Antifa. To say the least, but to ignore that they don't punch, run over, shoot, or otherwise murder or injure other people and the Proud Boys do absurd.

[Anonymous]

I highly doubt Hawaii would let people in to run amok violating testing rules and mask rules under the guise of 1st Amendment activity. But DC is the country's dumping ground and doesn't even try not to be. Hate it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Property damage, theft, and violence should be condemned at all times, but thus far, both sides have exhibited condemnable behavior. I have more respect for Bowser's equal tolerance of destructive behavior as opposed to enacting a double standard.

If you have equal regards for people who are protesting for Black people to be treated fairly and "Western Chauvinists" (let's be real, racists) looking to pick a fight, then you are part of the problem.

If you really think (un)popular opinion is the deciding factor for shutting down political speech, you've never read the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Making you "part of the problem" of the uneducated American people.

Respecting the bedrock principles of America — such as, say, free speech and the right to peaceably assemble — doesn't make me a racist. Don't even try that $h!t.

Yep. And in this case, the instigators were the so-called "counter protesters" -- the larping Antifa losers who absolutely do NOT believe in free speech (or democracy) and gather illegally to attack and/or provoke a violent response. Both sides are moronic idiots deserving of condemnation... but Antifa are worse.

LOL a trumpist posting about free speech. That’s a good one. Trumpist do not care about the Constitution nor by your post do you understand the constitution.

These are just gangs. Treat them as such. These thugs should be arrested for disturbing the peace, resisting arrest, loitering, terrorists, etc. There are many charges you can throw at these thugs. Most have outstanding warrants. The police can detain these people for at least 48 hours, post their names and contact their place of employment as part of any investigation.

Time for DC police to step up.