Feedback on Boys Club Lacrosse summer 2019

[Anonymous]

Comparing NBA and Euro is not logical to comparing private and public school lacrosse. There could be good reasons a player does not attend a private school that are not talent related. There are public school lacrosse players playing in the PLL. Your assumption is that one pool of players is better than another pool of players top to bottom. There are plenty of players in the WCAC and IAC that could not make a top club team and get minutes. There are public school kids getting D1 offers to top schools. The comparison does not work.

Of course it's logical. The pool of players in the NBA is mostly american (privates) and there are some good players in Euro (public) but not nearly as many playing at the top level.
We aren't talking about why but simply the amount coming from each.
Yes, my assumption is the pool of private school lacrosse players is way deeper than than public. This means one pool is better than the other.
Yes, not every private can make a top club and get minutes but far more do than publics and it's not even close.
Yes, there are a few getting D1 offers but they are very small in percentage and are also playing for top clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's just not enough talent in Northern VA to field all these teams.

There is enough raw talent. Just not enough kids go to private schools from NOVA to refine that talent.

That comment is laughable. Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring. Kids in NOVA have decent public school teams. In MD just about ALL club lacrosse kids go to private schools. If you collected all of the top NOVA public HS players they would be top 2-3 team in the DMV easily. Robinson, South County, Langley have all produced players to excel at the D1 level and beyond. Let's be clear those kids are refine'd by the clubs not by HS. It is true that many of the current top level 8-11 grade players also go play for MD based clubs and do go to play at WCAC and IAC schools in DC and MD. I would be silly to claim that public teams are better than private school teams. However, this is because the top players decide to go there.

I'm not sure what your point is about collecting talent in PS and making a good team. It's kind of like saying if you collect all the best euro's playing basketball you could have a really competitive basketball team in the NBA. If you are a really good player, you seek to go to privates because they have the better coaching, are surrounded by other good players and the programs are consistent year-over-year.

If you don't understand his point then you are amazingly stupid.

His point is someone can collect the very best lacrosse public school players from a given year and compete against the IAC or WCAC. No kidding. He's also claiming the top lacrosse schools in the country aren't somehow making those players better. Wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's just not enough talent in Northern VA to field all these teams.

There is enough raw talent. Just not enough kids go to private schools from NOVA to refine that talent.

That comment is laughable. Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring. Kids in NOVA have decent public school teams. In MD just about ALL club lacrosse kids go to private schools. If you collected all of the top NOVA public HS players they would be top 2-3 team in the DMV easily. Robinson, South County, Langley have all produced players to excel at the D1 level and beyond. Let's be clear those kids are refine'd by the clubs not by HS. It is true that many of the current top level 8-11 grade players also go play for MD based clubs and do go to play at WCAC and IAC schools in DC and MD. I would be silly to claim that public teams are better than private school teams. However, this is because the top players decide to go there.

I'm not sure what your point is about collecting talent in PS and making a good team. It's kind of like saying if you collect all the best euro's playing basketball you could have a really competitive basketball team in the NBA. If you are a really good player, you seek to go to privates because they have the better coaching, are surrounded by other good players and the programs are consistent year-over-year.

The point about public school talent v private school talent is in response to the comment that PS talent is "raw" and needs to be refined by attending a private school. This may have been true in the past but is not as applicable today. I would not argue that public school programs can even compete in a game. However at the individual player level talent is talent no matter if they are public or private. Many kids play year round outside of the HS. These kids learn to play a higher level and are challenged to play with and v. the best players. The majority of these players end up attending a private school team. If you pooled together the few that stay in public school they would equal the top private school teams. The point is that I do not feel a player's skill will be hindered at a HS level if they are competing 8-10 other months of the year on a top club program and attending showcases and other events.

Now this makes sense. A player may not be hindered in PS if they are really good and devoting a lot of time and effort to the sport. A good private needs to do the same but gets a lot of added benefit by being around other good players in a good school program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's just not enough talent in Northern VA to field all these teams.

There is enough raw talent. Just not enough kids go to private schools from NOVA to refine that talent.

That comment is laughable. Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring. Kids in NOVA have decent public school teams. In MD just about ALL club lacrosse kids go to private schools. If you collected all of the top NOVA public HS players they would be top 2-3 team in the DMV easily. Robinson, South County, Langley have all produced players to excel at the D1 level and beyond. Let's be clear those kids are refine'd by the clubs not by HS. It is true that many of the current top level 8-11 grade players also go play for MD based clubs and do go to play at WCAC and IAC schools in DC and MD. I would be silly to claim that public teams are better than private school teams. However, this is because the top players decide to go there.

I'm not sure what your point is about collecting talent in PS and making a good team. It's kind of like saying if you collect all the best euro's playing basketball you could have a really competitive basketball team in the NBA. If you are a really good player, you seek to go to privates because they have the better coaching, are surrounded by other good players and the programs are consistent year-over-year.

If you don't understand his point then you are amazingly stupid.

Nice comeback Potsie

[Anonymous]

Like with most things, context matters. The original statement was that NOVA kids do not refine raw skills because the don’t go to private school. With the growth of club lacrosse, the evidence is that 20 to 30 public HS kids a year go on to play college lacrosse. I would guess 95% of those play club. It is not a private v public argument

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like with most things, context matters. The original statement was that NOVA kids do not refine raw skills because the don’t go to private school. With the growth of club lacrosse, the evidence is that 20 to 30 public HS kids a year go on to play college lacrosse. I would guess 95% of those play club. It is not a private v public argument

What am I misreading because that's not what the laughable comment said.
Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring.

That is flat out incorrect. There is no public school in the Washington Metropolitan area doing what the privates do with regard to more practice and playing.
Public school parents are always looking for the exceptions rather than the norm. 20 or 30 out of dozens and dozens of public school rosters doesn't equal the 20 or 30 coming out of Bullis and Landon alone. You can talk about the reasons why but the numbers don't lie and public school apologists are always trying to make it out with the "you're saying I've got a chance" argument.

[Anonymous]

poorly posted

What am I misreading because that's not what the laughable comment said.

Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring.

That is flat out incorrect. There is no public school in the Washington Metropolitan area doing what the privates do with regard to more practice and playing.
Public school parents are always looking for the exceptions rather than the norm. 20 or 30 out of dozens and dozens of public school rosters doesn't equal the 20 or 30 coming out of Bullis and Landon alone. You can talk about the reasons why but the numbers don't lie and public school apologists are always trying to make it out with the "you're saying I've got a chance" argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:poorly posted

What am I misreading because that's not what the laughable comment said.

Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring.

That is flat out incorrect. There is no public school in the Washington Metropolitan area doing what the privates do with regard to more practice and playing.
Public school parents are always looking for the exceptions rather than the norm. 20 or 30 out of dozens and dozens of public school rosters doesn't equal the 20 or 30 coming out of Bullis and Landon alone. You can talk about the reasons why but the numbers don't lie and public school apologists are always trying to make it out with the "you're saying I've got a chance" argument.

You have issues

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:poorly posted

What am I misreading because that's not what the laughable comment said.

Private schools collect talent they do not refine it. Did Bullis refine Jr. and Sr. transfers? Does IMG or the Hill school? Kids play more games in the fall and summer than they do in the spring.

That is flat out incorrect. There is no public school in the Washington Metropolitan area doing what the privates do with regard to more practice and playing.
Public school parents are always looking for the exceptions rather than the norm. 20 or 30 out of dozens and dozens of public school rosters doesn't equal the 20 or 30 coming out of Bullis and Landon alone. You can talk about the reasons why but the numbers don't lie and public school apologists are always trying to make it out with the "you're saying I've got a chance" argument.

You have issues

DP. Actually you're the one with the issues, PP. The other poster is making very valid points. You're only attacking the poster instead of rebutting the points. Someone's Dad is dancing circles around you, dude. So now I suppose you're gonna tell ME that I have issues. Hhhhmmm. See a pattern?

[Anonymous]

Evergreen lacrosse may want to consider HOCO league in the future. It is a good way to find out the best skill level when scheduling summer tournaments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Evergreen lacrosse may want to consider HOCO league in the future. It is a good way to find out the best skill level when scheduling summer tournaments

And help get kids ready for competition - w some better focus, maybe good things will come from rebranding themselves as Hammers LC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Evergreen lacrosse may want to consider HOCO league in the future. It is a good way to find out the best skill level when scheduling summer tournaments

And help get kids ready for competition - w some better focus, maybe good things will come from rebranding themselves as Hammers LC

They do have the basis of a good program. Solid coaching with out dads, outstanding facilities, and Loudoun is a growing base of players. For some reason they better players are still heading to other teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Evergreen lacrosse may want to consider HOCO league in the future. It is a good way to find out the best skill level when scheduling summer tournaments

And help get kids ready for competition - w some better focus, maybe good things will come from rebranding themselves as Hammers LC

They do have the basis of a good program. Solid coaching with out dads, outstanding facilities, and Loudoun is a growing base of players. For some reason they better players are still heading to other teams.

Loudoun is just too far out for it to be a viable option for most people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Evergreen lacrosse may want to consider HOCO league in the future. It is a good way to find out the best skill level when scheduling summer tournaments

And help get kids ready for competition - w some better focus, maybe good things will come from rebranding themselves as Hammers LC

They do have the basis of a good program. Solid coaching with out dads, outstanding facilities, and Loudoun is a growing base of players. For some reason they better players are still heading to other teams.

Loudoun is just too far out for it to be a viable option for most people.

That's where the Cavs practice, and it's viable for them.

[Anonymous]

Top Caliber 2021 had a strong showing at last weekends tournament