Your opinion: boy punching a girl, ok or nay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sixth-graders physically attacking each other, ok or nay? Nay.

Nay, but it will happen and it isn't the end of the world. We have done our kids a disservice because we have banned the hitting, but haven't replaced it with other tools for handling situations like this one. "Use your words" isn't good enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Boy was assaulted - actually sexually assaulted.

Girl was pushed / hit in self defense / response to being assaulted.

Using a nickname isn't bullying. It is immature.

How the hell was he sexually assaulted.

She punched him in the genitals. Touching someone's genitals (including over clothes) without their consent is sexual assault.

[Anonymous]

Both were wrong.

In college I slapped a guy once for being suggestive and rude. He backhanded me and I landed on the floor. He gave me a black eye.

A man should never hit a woman. A woman should never physically attack a man as it's not safe.

Hopefully both kids will learn this lesson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you moms saying the boy was right and the girl should have just walked away, and he was just teasing her because he likes her should know that you are supporting rape culture.

You are in favor of a girl being conditioned she should accept whatever a guy calls her because it's just words and words don't matter. Today it's a nick name she doesn't like, tomorrow it;s calling her bitch, slut, or refferring to various parts of her anatomy, but it doesn't matter because it's just words.
You are teaching the boy that females are just property to be toyed with and they just have to take it and if they get upset too bad.

These are the lessons that matter, not standing outside in a pussy hat or making sure your son knows about your period or your daughter takes enough STEM classes, and that neither of them see Cinderella.

No the girl violently assaulted someone. It is amazing anyone would say it is okay to physically assault someone. The boy was totally in the right to defend himself. If the girl continues to behave in this way, she is going to get into a situation where someone will not show such restraint. Being a girl does not give you permission to beat on someone. If the police came, she would be in jail. You need to check your feminists privilege.

[Anonymous]

The way I see it, in terms of actions/escalations

Boy teasing girl: minor, maybe a 1.
girl scratching the boy: 5
Girl scratching again:10
Boy pushing her off: 0
Girl bunching in the Nuts: 40
Boy hitting her back 5.

So the boy did 6 offensive points, the girl at 55. Girls actions 10x worse than boy.

Let me put it another way. I am a 53 yo man. If someone attacks me, I get to defend myself. For you women, you have no idea how much it hurts to get punched in the nuts. It can throw you into a fit of rage.

As for sexual assault: punching in the nuts is not sexual assault. It should be felony assault, but it is not sexual in nature. Groping would be different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both were wrong.

In college I slapped a guy once for being suggestive and rude. He backhanded me and I landed on the floor. He gave me a black eye.

A man should never hit a woman. A woman should never physically attack a man as it's not safe.

Hopefully both kids will learn this lesson.

YOU are wrong, VERY wrong. You should have went to jail for assault. We need to teach our kids to defend themselves against criminals like you. Yes, that means physical violence. Sadly, our schools teach kids to be victims.

[Anonymous]

Also, at 12/13, the girls are often bigger and stronger than the boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both were wrong.

In college I slapped a guy once for being suggestive and rude. He backhanded me and I landed on the floor. He gave me a black eye.

A man should never hit a woman. A woman should never physically attack a man as it's not safe.

Hopefully both kids will learn this lesson.

But for the fact that it isn't safe, women should totally feel free to punch men?

Gotcha!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way I see it, in terms of actions/escalations

Boy teasing girl: minor, maybe a 1.
girl scratching the boy: 5
Girl scratching again:10
Boy pushing her off: 0
Girl bunching in the Nuts: 40
Boy hitting her back 5.

So the boy did 6 offensive points, the girl at 55. Girls actions 10x worse than boy.

Let me put it another way. I am a 53 yo man. If someone attacks me, I get to defend myself. For you women, you have no idea how much it hurts to get punched in the nuts. It can throw you into a fit of rage.

As for sexual assault: punching in the nuts is not sexual assault. It should be felony assault, but it is not sexual in nature. Groping would be different.

I think this is a good way to look at this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sixth-graders physically attacking each other, ok or nay? Nay.

Nay, but it will happen and it isn't the end of the world. We have done our kids a disservice because we have banned the hitting, but haven't replaced it with other tools for handling situations like this one. "Use your words" isn't good enough.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I agree. Here's an incident involving two sixth-graders behaving badly -- and the question OP asks is, is it ok for a boy to hit a girl?! I think that OP is asking the wrong question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both were wrong.

In college I slapped a guy once for being suggestive and rude. He backhanded me and I landed on the floor. He gave me a black eye.

A man should never hit a woman. A woman should never physically attack a man as it's not safe.

Hopefully both kids will learn this lesson.

You were wrong. Very wrong. So was he.

About 5 years ago (Early August, 2012), I was out grocery shopping with my 10 yo daughter. She was helping me. I was a 48 yo male. I was also 6 weeks out of abdominal surgery for cancer. There is no way I was leering at the 20 something....But she thought I was, and assumed the proper reaction was to push me. My 10 yo kid watched in horror as I crumbled to the ground...grapping my side, which had ripped open on the inside (at the site of the incision.).

Emergency surgery was required to fix it. And 5 years later, it still hurts. The woman was arrested but not convicted. I received a 250K judgement against her (and the store; 95% her, 5% store; my lawyers idea). The stores insurance ended up paying me, and they are going after her for her share...

Just because you do not have a Y chromosome does not allow you to assault people. Similarly, the Y chromosome does not mean people without them are sex objects for my pleasure.

[Anonymous]

Both children are guilty of assaulting each other.

"She started it" is not a good enough defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both children are guilty of assaulting each other.

"She started it" is not a good enough defense.

But self defense is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sixth-graders physically attacking each other, ok or nay? Nay.

Nay, but it will happen and it isn't the end of the world. We have done our kids a disservice because we have banned the hitting, but haven't replaced it with other tools for handling situations like this one. "Use your words" isn't good enough.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and I agree. Here's an incident involving two sixth-graders behaving badly -- and the question OP asks is, is it ok for a boy to hit a girl?! I think that OP is asking the wrong question.

Thanks. My son had a problem at that age with a classmate - friendship fell apart badly. Both boys would have been better off in the 70's when one would have punched the other and everyone would have imposed on them the space they needed to regroup and calm donw. Instead it took a year....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both were wrong.

In college I slapped a guy once for being suggestive and rude. He backhanded me and I landed on the floor. He gave me a black eye.

A man should never hit a woman. A woman should never physically attack a man as it's not safe.

Hopefully both kids will learn this lesson.

You were wrong. Very wrong. So was he.

About 5 years ago (Early August, 2012), I was out grocery shopping with my 10 yo daughter. She was helping me. I was a 48 yo male. I was also 6 weeks out of abdominal surgery for cancer. There is no way I was leering at the 20 something....But she thought I was, and assumed the proper reaction was to push me. My 10 yo kid watched in horror as I crumbled to the ground...grapping my side, which had ripped open on the inside (at the site of the incision.).

Emergency surgery was required to fix it. And 5 years later, it still hurts. The woman was arrested but not convicted. I received a 250K judgement against her (and the store; 95% her, 5% store; my lawyers idea). The stores insurance ended up paying me, and they are going after her for her share...

Just because you do not have a Y chromosome does not allow you to assault people. Similarly, the Y chromosome does not mean people without them are sex objects for my pleasure.

That is a horrible story. I'm glad you mostly recovered.