What is the LBGTQ population afraid of in a Trump presidency?

[Anonymous]

3 of my gay friends voted for trump.

[Anonymous]

I sat next to a table of 4 gay men the other night. Our tables were close, so I could hear their conversation.
They were very excited about a Trump presidency. And, they were excited because these men want the same things that straight people want - jobs, a growing economy, and security at home. They believe he will work to make this happen.

Here is a newsflash - LBGTQ folks want the same things as straight folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sat next to a table of 4 gay men the other night. Our tables were close, so I could hear their conversation.
They were very excited about a Trump presidency. And, they were excited because these men want the same things that straight people want - jobs, a growing economy, and security at home. They believe he will work to make this happen.

Here is a newsflash - LBGTQ folks want the same things as straight folks.

For gay marriage to be illegal? For conversion therapy for gay people?

Also, technically, the thing that more people wanted was for Hillary to be president.

[Anonymous]

His VP-elect, Pence, is notorious for his conversion programs for LGBT teens, many of whom committed suicide during the course of the program.

[Anonymous]

Side note: fear is part of many people's reaction but in my circles people are pretty angry too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you realize that HRC did not support support marriage equality until 2013, right?

In 2000 she stated, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

In 2003 she said, "marriage has a meaning that ... I think should be kept as it historically has been, but I see no reason whatsoever why people in committed relationships can't have ... many of the same rights and the same ... respect for their unions that they are seeking. And I would like to see that be more accepted than it is. ... I also think that we can realize the same results for many committed couples by urging that states and localities adopt civil union and domestic partnership laws."

By the Left's rules, all LGBTQ activists should be against Hillary Clinton. However, it would be ridiculous to base one's decision on these two comments. These are issues that evolve. I am confident the majority of our population will become more knowledgeable of LGBTQ issues and more tolerant.

her words on Terry Gross' segment - 2014
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=321313477

CLINTON: Well, I was fully on board with ending discrimination in the workplace on behalf of the LGBT community. I did not support gay marriage when I was in the Senate or running for president, as you know, and as President Obama and others held the same position. But it, for me, became an opportunity to do what I could as secretary of state to make the workplace fairer - something I had always supported and spoke out about. And then when I was out of the secretary of state position and once again free to comment on domestic matters, I very shortly came out in favor of fully equality, including gay marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, other than saying he would nominate conservative Supreme Court justices, he has said nothing that they should be fearful of?

That's a pretty big thing in and of itself.

The other fear is that he won't veto what Congress tries to push through. So this isn't even about Pence. If Congress tries to push through legislation allowing businesses (and even medical facilities) to refuse to serve LGBT based on religious beliefs, I think most people fear that Trump won't veto it.

Trump has said so many conflicting things during his campaign, so the overall feeling is that while he may not be vocally against the gay community, he doesn't care enough to veto or stop what the Republican-dominated Congress tries to do.

And the Supreme Court appointments make it even worse because the only avenue people have if Congress passes (and Pres. Trump signs) anti-LGBT legislation is through the courts, but if there are two very conservative justices appointment, that means that avenue of recourse is gone as well.

And again, given Trump has actually said very little about what he actually will or won't do, the predominant theory is that he will delegate a lot of the decision-making to the Republicans in Congress. And they have been clear about what they would like to do.

That's is the concern some people have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you realize that HRC did not support support marriage equality until 2013, right?

In 2000 she stated, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

In 2003 she said, "marriage has a meaning that ... I think should be kept as it historically has been, but I see no reason whatsoever why people in committed relationships can't have ... many of the same rights and the same ... respect for their unions that they are seeking. And I would like to see that be more accepted than it is. ... I also think that we can realize the same results for many committed couples by urging that states and localities adopt civil union and domestic partnership laws."

By the Left's rules, all LGBTQ activists should be against Hillary Clinton. However, it would be ridiculous to base one's decision on these two comments. These are issues that evolve. I am confident the majority of our population will become more knowledgeable of LGBTQ issues and more tolerant.

her words on Terry Gross' segment - 2014
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=321313477

CLINTON: Well, I was fully on board with ending discrimination in the workplace on behalf of the LGBT community. I did not support gay marriage when I was in the Senate or running for president, as you know, and as President Obama and others held the same position. But it, for me, became an opportunity to do what I could as secretary of state to make the workplace fairer - something I had always supported and spoke out about. And then when I was out of the secretary of state position and once again free to comment on domestic matters, I very shortly came out in favor of fully equality, including gay marriage.

Yes, I assure you we are well aware. Fresher in the memory though is Pence's efforts to allow goods, services, jobs to be denied to gay people in Indiana. The idea that people who voted for THAT are upset because some of us are denying you the pleasure of our company is hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sat next to a table of 4 gay men the other night. Our tables were close, so I could hear their conversation.
They were very excited about a Trump presidency. And, they were excited because these men want the same things that straight people want - jobs, a growing economy, and security at home. They believe he will work to make this happen.

Here is a newsflash - LBGTQ folks want the same things as straight folks.

The problem with anonymous forums is people can make stuff up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sat next to a table of 4 gay men the other night. Our tables were close, so I could hear their conversation.
They were very excited about a Trump presidency. And, they were excited because these men want the same things that straight people want - jobs, a growing economy, and security at home. They believe he will work to make this happen.

Here is a newsflash - LBGTQ folks want the same things as straight folks.

The problem with anonymous forums is people can make stuff up.

True. And, you don’t have to believe me. I was a bit surprised myself, but it happened.

They also said they thought Melania Trump will be the most beautiful first lady ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you realize that HRC did not support support marriage equality until 2013, right?

In 2000 she stated, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman."

In 2003 she said, "marriage has a meaning that ... I think should be kept as it historically has been, but I see no reason whatsoever why people in committed relationships can't have ... many of the same rights and the same ... respect for their unions that they are seeking. And I would like to see that be more accepted than it is. ... I also think that we can realize the same results for many committed couples by urging that states and localities adopt civil union and domestic partnership laws."

By the Left's rules, all LGBTQ activists should be against Hillary Clinton. However, it would be ridiculous to base one's decision on these two comments. These are issues that evolve. I am confident the majority of our population will become more knowledgeable of LGBTQ issues and more tolerant.

her words on Terry Gross' segment - 2014
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=321313477

CLINTON: Well, I was fully on board with ending discrimination in the workplace on behalf of the LGBT community. I did not support gay marriage when I was in the Senate or running for president, as you know, and as President Obama and others held the same position. But it, for me, became an opportunity to do what I could as secretary of state to make the workplace fairer - something I had always supported and spoke out about. And then when I was out of the secretary of state position and once again free to comment on domestic matters, I very shortly came out in favor of fully equality, including gay marriage.

Yes, I assure you we are well aware. Fresher in the memory though is Pence's efforts to allow goods, services, jobs to be denied to gay people in Indiana. The idea that people who voted for THAT are upset because some of us are denying you the pleasure of our company is hilarious[b].

sorry - But this line is very unclear.

I posted from Gross' segment to show that Hillary is no angel - that she does indeed change b/c she knew that anti-gay views would damage her reputation. You can't deny that. Perhaps she did evolve? I can't say for certain. But having been through two Clinton regimes, I can say that both she and her husband were opportunists.

And although I didn't vote for Hillary, I didn't cast my vote for Trump either. So if you're trying to make a disparaging comment about me based on faulty thinking, you need to eat your words.

Furthermore, you don't know my relationship with gay people. You have no clue how old I am or how I grew up and who my friends were and are. But I will say this - that as someone with a very good friend who died from complications due to AIDS (b/c it was a big think in the 80s), you most certainly should eat crow if you intended to label me as a hater.

I know gays who voted for Clinton; I know gays - older gays - who voted for Trump. Gays are not a monolithic group. And while this forum loves to throw around Godwin's Law b/c it doesn't require much thinking, there's enough support for the gay community to fight back if any decisions are in the works to strip gays of human rights.

Finally, Trump, who was around for the opening of Studio 54 (if you, PP, even understand that reference), was hobnobbing with the likes of Andy Warhol (to name one) who was openly gay before any gays were "liberated."

History isn't just about bombs and wars, people. Your presidential candidates also had some interesting pasts that had nothing to do with the economy. So if you wanted an honest person in the WH, you should have studied how they lived before they got to this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What has he said he'll do that makes them fearful? Has he said he wants to make gay marriage illegal? I don't want to hear that it's about Mike Pence because I've been hearing Trump is a threat to homosexuals far longer than when he chose Pence as his VP.

My 9th grader said the gay, bi and pansexual kids at school have said they think he'll line them up and kill them all, but clearly that's outrageous. Still disturbing to hear that kind of fearmongering.

Op you can't be serious. "Pansexual" kids in your dc's school. These poor kids are what-- 14?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has he said he'll do that makes them fearful? Has he said he wants to make gay marriage illegal? I don't want to hear that it's about Mike Pence because I've been hearing Trump is a threat to homosexuals far longer than when he chose Pence as his VP.

My 9th grader said the gay, bi and pansexual kids at school have said they think he'll line them up and kill them all, but clearly that's outrageous. Still disturbing to hear that kind of fearmongering.

Op you can't be serious. "Pansexual" kids in your dc's school. These poor kids are what-- 14?

No kidding. TBH, I had to look up the meaning of “pansexual.”
I am beginning to fear for the future of our country with the generation of kids being raised today. Is this what the “sexual revolution” wrought?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What has he said he'll do that makes them fearful? Has he said he wants to make gay marriage illegal? I don't want to hear that it's about Mike Pence because I've been hearing Trump is a threat to homosexuals far longer than when he chose Pence as his VP.

My 9th grader said the gay, bi and pansexual kids at school have said they think he'll line them up and kill them all, but clearly that's outrageous. Still disturbing to hear that kind of fearmongering.

Op you can't be serious. "Pansexual" kids in your dc's school. These poor kids are what-- 14?

yes! I'm a teacher. We have tons of kids who are "sexually fluid." In fact, there's a child at my son's MS who's transgendered. boy to girl - 7th grade

I think it's a fad. I grew up with two good friends who were not openly gay until they were old enough to go clubbing! (80s) And while I was around a few drag queens (Halloween was a favorite time.), I don't remember anyone being pansexual. bisexual, yes

but not pansexual

The bis I knew identified with one sex but were attracted to both males and females.

[Anonymous]

They are worried about President Pence when Trump gets bored/overwhelmed/impeached and steps down.