Video shows moments before North Miami Police shot unarmed man

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Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

oh

OK

For every life they save while placing themselves in danger, you don't think that every so often we can highlight a special or heroic act?

I admit that this situation was indeed tragic and sick. However, just as people have pleaded on these threads - not all Xs are alike. Not all Ys are alike. Same can be said of police.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

Or maybe it should. Because the preponderance of police violence stories is not proportional to the scale of these actual events. If we published every good police act that occurred at the exact same moment, it might be a good thing to demonstrate the ratio. This act will be addressed if it was illegal, but all the legal behavior should be recognized as well.

this point exactly

Look at the news and how it covers presidential candidates. Dirt and sex sell.

[Anonymous]

Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

[Anonymous]

So the black man is laying on the ground with his arms clearly in the air with nothing in them, the white guy has something in his hands, and the police shoot the black man. SMH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

+1 . I've never seen such a profession where people constantly feel the need to preface apologies for costly and lousy behavior with ' there are good cops out there' , 'not at all cops are bad' and blah blah . Fucking disgusting

Well, let's see. As a teacher, I can fully sympathize. We don't need medals in our field (sometimes body armor -but that's a different story), but I would like the attacks from the public to stop.

the problem? We've lost our need to "police" ourselves - no self-responsibility - and expect public servants to step in. But when a public servant makes a mistake, it's a Salem Witch Hunt. When Johnny comes to us hungry and dirty and we can't get him to read at grade level, it's our fault.

Police see repeat offenders and deal with dangerous situations on a daily basis. MOST of them want to help society, as do teachers. But if you're assigned a beat that's not exactly Mayberry, that beat will harden you and shape your views - sometimes in dangerous ways.

So yes, the public wants accountability, but it goes both ways. Let's say school is trying hard to get a 9th grader to jump to three reading levels and gives her a special class for support, a reading specialist, and extra time spent with teachers at lunch and after school. great, right? But when she goes home, there's no food on the table and she faces abuse each night. We can call CPS and involve the school psychologist, but we CANNOT undo the damage done at home. She cannot learn when she's emotionally and physically at risk.

Imagine how that affects the teachers emotionally and mentally. And then, multiply that 1 by 50 - b/c in schools where most kids live in poverty, MOST will be reading below grade level.

Yes, we are in it to help, but when societal ills are crammed down our throats, we are helpless. So we either burn out and leave (Look at the attrition rate of new teachers.) or look for "greener pastures."

Put a cop in a beat where all s/he sees are the worst case scenarios day after day, and what do you expect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

Then think critically, too. This was another tragic incident. But unless you get to the ROOT of the problem, police brutality will not float off. If a child is raped repeatedly at night, don't you think that cycle will continue somehow - either ending in self-destruction or in harming others.

When a cop gets to that level, it's b/c s/he has seen too much. Psychological supports should be ongoing for people in high-stress occupations. If this cop dealt mainly with AA males who were dangerous, for example, that's what will shape his brain. not saying it's right - just saying, folks - Get to to the root.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

+1 . I've never seen such a profession where people constantly feel the need to preface apologies for costly and lousy behavior with ' there are good cops out there' , 'not at all cops are bad' and blah blah . Fucking disgusting

Well, let's see. As a teacher, I can fully sympathize. We don't need medals in our field (sometimes body armor -but that's a different story), but I would like the attacks from the public to stop.

the problem? We've lost our need to "police" ourselves - no self-responsibility - and expect public servants to step in. But when a public servant makes a mistake, it's a Salem Witch Hunt. When Johnny comes to us hungry and dirty and we can't get him to read at grade level, it's our fault.

Police see repeat offenders and deal with dangerous situations on a daily basis. MOST of them want to help society, as do teachers. But if you're assigned a beat that's not exactly Mayberry, that beat will harden you and shape your views - sometimes in dangerous ways.

So yes, the public wants accountability, but it goes both ways. Let's say school is trying hard to get a 9th grader to jump to three reading levels and gives her a special class for support, a reading specialist, and extra time spent with teachers at lunch and after school. great, right? But when she goes home, there's no food on the table and she faces abuse each night. We can call CPS and involve the school psychologist, but we CANNOT undo the damage done at home. She cannot learn when she's emotionally and physically at risk.

Imagine how that affects the teachers emotionally and mentally. And then, multiply that 1 by 50 - b/c in schools where most kids live in poverty, MOST will be reading below grade level.

Yes, we are in it to help, but when societal ills are crammed down our throats, we are helpless. So we either burn out and leave (Look at the attrition rate of new teachers.) or look for "greener pastures."

Put a cop in a beat where all s/he sees are the worst case scenarios day after day, and what do you expect?

So you are ok with what happened in this video? Keep being ok with it because all that dies it put innocent cops in danger of vigilantes. There is no win for anyone when people defend and excuse actions like this. Even the most jaded cop should be able to get this situation right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

+1 . I've never seen such a profession where people constantly feel the need to preface apologies for costly and lousy behavior with ' there are good cops out there' , 'not at all cops are bad' and blah blah . Fucking disgusting

Well, let's see. As a teacher, I can fully sympathize. We don't need medals in our field (sometimes body armor -but that's a different story), but I would like the attacks from the public to stop.

the problem? We've lost our need to "police" ourselves - no self-responsibility - and expect public servants to step in. But when a public servant makes a mistake, it's a Salem Witch Hunt. When Johnny comes to us hungry and dirty and we can't get him to read at grade level, it's our fault.

Police see repeat offenders and deal with dangerous situations on a daily basis. MOST of them want to help society, as do teachers. But if you're assigned a beat that's not exactly Mayberry, that beat will harden you and shape your views - sometimes in dangerous ways.

So yes, the public wants accountability, but it goes both ways. Let's say school is trying hard to get a 9th grader to jump to three reading levels and gives her a special class for support, a reading specialist, and extra time spent with teachers at lunch and after school. great, right? But when she goes home, there's no food on the table and she faces abuse each night. We can call CPS and involve the school psychologist, but we CANNOT undo the damage done at home. She cannot learn when she's emotionally and physically at risk.

Imagine how that affects the teachers emotionally and mentally. And then, multiply that 1 by 50 - b/c in schools where most kids live in poverty, MOST will be reading below grade level.

Yes, we are in it to help, but when societal ills are crammed down our throats, we are helpless. So we either burn out and leave (Look at the attrition rate of new teachers.) or look for "greener pastures."

Put a cop in a beat where all s/he sees are the worst case scenarios day after day, and what do you expect?

So you are ok with what happened in this video? Keep being ok with it because all that dies it put innocent cops in danger of vigilantes. There is no win for anyone when people defend and excuse actions like this. Even the most jaded cop should be able to get this situation right.

If you're going to respond, then back up your claims.

First of all, I said NOTHING about supporting this man's behavior. It's tragic. I've worked in schools with school community-based programs. So I know how sad and difficult it is to work with children who can barely speak or walk. WHERE did I say that I supported what occurred?

I did, however, chime in about root causes. But apparently, you're not sharp enough to understand that certain careers are highly stressful and that SITUATIONS shape us.

A JADED cop will not always make the right decisions. That's my point. You're so free to share your feelings, aren't you? Well then, please tell me you're a public employee - a social worker or a psychologist working for a health center or a pupil personnel worker.

But unless you're in a burnout field, I think this conversation needs to end. You just don't get it, and you won't EVER get it either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

+1 . I've never seen such a profession where people constantly feel the need to preface apologies for costly and lousy behavior with ' there are good cops out there' , 'not at all cops are bad' and blah blah . Fucking disgusting

Well, let's see. As a teacher, I can fully sympathize. We don't need medals in our field (sometimes body armor -but that's a different story), but I would like the attacks from the public to stop.

the problem? We've lost our need to "police" ourselves - no self-responsibility - and expect public servants to step in. But when a public servant makes a mistake, it's a Salem Witch Hunt. When Johnny comes to us hungry and dirty and we can't get him to read at grade level, it's our fault.

Police see repeat offenders and deal with dangerous situations on a daily basis. MOST of them want to help society, as do teachers. But if you're assigned a beat that's not exactly Mayberry, that beat will harden you and shape your views - sometimes in dangerous ways.

So yes, the public wants accountability, but it goes both ways. Let's say school is trying hard to get a 9th grader to jump to three reading levels and gives her a special class for support, a reading specialist, and extra time spent with teachers at lunch and after school. great, right? But when she goes home, there's no food on the table and she faces abuse each night. We can call CPS and involve the school psychologist, but we CANNOT undo the damage done at home. She cannot learn when she's emotionally and physically at risk.

Imagine how that affects the teachers emotionally and mentally. And then, multiply that 1 by 50 - b/c in schools where most kids live in poverty, MOST will be reading below grade level.

Yes, we are in it to help, but when societal ills are crammed down our throats, we are helpless. So we either burn out and leave (Look at the attrition rate of new teachers.) or look for "greener pastures."

Put a cop in a beat where all s/he sees are the worst case scenarios day after day, and what do you expect?

So you are ok with what happened in this video? Keep being ok with it because all that dies it put innocent cops in danger of vigilantes. There is no win for anyone when people defend and excuse actions like this. Even the most jaded cop should be able to get this situation right.

If you're going to respond, then back up your claims.

First of all, I said NOTHING about supporting this man's behavior. It's tragic. I've worked in schools with school community-based programs. So I know how sad and difficult it is to work with children who can barely speak or walk. WHERE did I say that I supported what occurred?

I did, however, chime in about root causes. But apparently, you're not sharp enough to understand that certain careers are highly stressful and that SITUATIONS shape us.

A JADED cop will not always make the right decisions. That's my point. You're so free to share your feelings, aren't you? Well then, please tell me you're a public employee - a social worker or a psychologist working for a health center or a pupil personnel worker.

But unless you're in a burnout field, I think this conversation needs to end. You just don't get it, and you won't EVER get it either.

Many of the officers implicated in unjustified shootings were relatively new to the job, not jaded after many years of nightly shoot-outs or whatever you are imagining. I am a np and do work in a "burn-out field."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

I see this tactic used to shut down the discussion all the time. Imagine asking a battered woman to list a good thing that her husband has done.

No one rational thinks all cops are bad. But too many people are trying to drown out any discussion of bad or poorly trained cops. I'm AA and most of the bad cops I've encountered since childhood were black. They knew they could shakedown and abuse poor blacks with impunity so they did. There's law enforcement officers in my family and all of them know at least one officer that they would not want to stop their sons. But they toe the line because it's drilled into them in academy.

I can't understand it. I'm a teacher and have reported colleagues who were harming kids. Even when I taught in a "dangerous" school with volatile students. Can't understand why cops don't do the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

+1 . I've never seen such a profession where people constantly feel the need to preface apologies for costly and lousy behavior with ' there are good cops out there' , 'not at all cops are bad' and blah blah . Fucking disgusting

Well, let's see. As a teacher, I can fully sympathize. We don't need medals in our field (sometimes body armor -but that's a different story), but I would like the attacks from the public to stop.

the problem? We've lost our need to "police" ourselves - no self-responsibility - and expect public servants to step in. But when a public servant makes a mistake, it's a Salem Witch Hunt. When Johnny comes to us hungry and dirty and we can't get him to read at grade level, it's our fault.

Police see repeat offenders and deal with dangerous situations on a daily basis. MOST of them want to help society, as do teachers. But if you're assigned a beat that's not exactly Mayberry, that beat will harden you and shape your views - sometimes in dangerous ways.

So yes, the public wants accountability, but it goes both ways. Let's say school is trying hard to get a 9th grader to jump to three reading levels and gives her a special class for support, a reading specialist, and extra time spent with teachers at lunch and after school. great, right? But when she goes home, there's no food on the table and she faces abuse each night. We can call CPS and involve the school psychologist, but we CANNOT undo the damage done at home. She cannot learn when she's emotionally and physically at risk.

Imagine how that affects the teachers emotionally and mentally. And then, multiply that 1 by 50 - b/c in schools where most kids live in poverty, MOST will be reading below grade level.

Yes, we are in it to help, but when societal ills are crammed down our throats, we are helpless. So we either burn out and leave (Look at the attrition rate of new teachers.) or look for "greener pastures."

Put a cop in a beat where all s/he sees are the worst case scenarios day after day, and what do you expect?

So you are ok with what happened in this video? Keep being ok with it because all that dies it put innocent cops in danger of vigilantes. There is no win for anyone when people defend and excuse actions like this. Even the most jaded cop should be able to get this situation right.

If you're going to respond, then back up your claims.

First of all, I said NOTHING about supporting this man's behavior. It's tragic. I've worked in schools with school community-based programs. So I know how sad and difficult it is to work with children who can barely speak or walk. WHERE did I say that I supported what occurred?

I did, however, chime in about root causes. But apparently, you're not sharp enough to understand that certain careers are highly stressful and that SITUATIONS shape us.

A JADED cop will not always make the right decisions. That's my point. You're so free to share your feelings, aren't you? Well then, please tell me you're a public employee - a social worker or a psychologist working for a health center or a pupil personnel worker.

But unless you're in a burnout field, I think this conversation needs to end. You just don't get it, and you won't EVER get it either.

Many of the officers implicated in unjustified shootings were relatively new to the job, not jaded after many years of nightly shoot-outs or whatever you are imagining. I am a np and do work in a "burn-out field."

Imagining? Honey, if that's the case, then share the statistics. I'm on board. And to that I'd say the same thing - Where are the proactive measures to ensure that people entering the police force aren't harboring racist beliefs? And how are new recruits being trained and MENTORED?

So you didn't respond fully to my post. What are the root causes of their behavior?

I have a good friend who did his time as a marine. He joined the police force but was REQUIRED to go through retraining b/c he was too hardened from what he experienced abroad. Guess what? He's the best cop I know. He focuses on community outreach and is very objective when these ugly matters arise.

So find me the statistics first in order to support your point, but keep in mind that your point doesn't necessarily refute my claim either, as I will always bring it back to the root cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

Then think critically, too. This was another tragic incident. But unless you get to the ROOT of the problem, police brutality will not float off. If a child is raped repeatedly at night, don't you think that cycle will continue somehow - either ending in self-destruction or in harming others.

When a cop gets to that level, it's b/c s/he has seen too much. Psychological supports should be ongoing for people in high-stress occupations. If this cop dealt mainly with AA males who were dangerous, for example, that's what will shape his brain. not saying it's right - just saying, folks - Get to to the root.

If ALL a beat cop in a tough neighborhood sees is the worst scenarios, he is not community policing. There's a white cop who was talking about building relationships and how that defuses tension and actually helps him to protect and serve. The young people obviously genuinely like him and trust him. I've been in two careers with high burnout rates and a lot of public ire. Building rapport really is key to being able to do your job and feeling good about how you did it. My brother has drawn his gun in only a few of his thousands of interactions with drug dealers. Most are 17-19 year olds selling small amounts of weed to feed young siblings and keep the power on at home. Few street cops in the US ever face well-armed higher level dealers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

I see this tactic used to shut down the discussion all the time. Imagine asking a battered woman to list a good thing that her husband has done.

No one rational thinks all cops are bad. But too many people are trying to drown out any discussion of bad or poorly trained cops. I'm AA and most of the bad cops I've encountered since childhood were black. They knew they could shakedown and abuse poor blacks with impunity so they did. There's law enforcement officers in my family and all of them know at least one officer that they would not want to stop their sons. But they toe the line because it's drilled into them in academy.

I can't understand it. I'm a teacher and have reported colleagues who were harming kids. Even when I taught in a "dangerous" school with volatile students. Can't understand why cops don't do the same.

How do you know they don't? Sometimes the system makes it difficult to follow through.

As a teacher (one myself who just posted), you're telling me that every single teacher you've reported was cut? Sometimes you can report until you're blue in the face, and people STILL aren't listening.

Perhaps that's the case with the police. Sometimes being the squeaky wheel is more trouble than it's worth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

I see this tactic used to shut down the discussion all the time. Imagine asking a battered woman to list a good thing that her husband has done.

No one rational thinks all cops are bad. But too many people are trying to drown out any discussion of bad or poorly trained cops. I'm AA and most of the bad cops I've encountered since childhood were black. They knew they could shakedown and abuse poor blacks with impunity so they did. There's law enforcement officers in my family and all of them know at least one officer that they would not want to stop their sons. But they toe the line because it's drilled into them in academy.

I can't understand it. I'm a teacher and have reported colleagues who were harming kids. Even when I taught in a "dangerous" school with volatile students. Can't understand why cops don't do the same.

How do you know they don't? Sometimes the system makes it difficult to follow through.

As a teacher (one myself who just posted), you're telling me that every single teacher you've reported was cut? Sometimes you can report until you're blue in the face, and people STILL aren't listening.

Perhaps that's the case with the police. Sometimes being the squeaky wheel is more trouble than it's worth.

That sounds like excuse making.

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher too. It doesn't give me some high ground on how to discuss. I understand and applaud your outrage over each incident. No police abuse is acceptable. However, i think that the nonstop posting of police violations has made the rate seem far more than it actually is. It is not bad to occasionally put these incidents in perspective as they relate to non incidents in a country as vast as ours. There are bad apple surgeons, bad apple judges, ba apple politicians, bad apple soldiers, and yes bad apple teachers. But working with teachers - you would be indignant if all teachers were painted with the brush of the few awful ones, and i think in this past year our society has come close to accepting treating police as a whole as an abusive class. Which is not supported by the fact of all the good policing that happens every day. When you talk about institutional problems I am listening to your ideas for solutions. Some of your proposals sound like they will help law enforcement be better at reaching its goal -to protect us and civil society.