Video shows moments before North Miami Police shot unarmed man

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Anonymous wrote:Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

Then think critically, too. This was another tragic incident. But unless you get to the ROOT of the problem, police brutality will not float off. If a child is raped repeatedly at night, don't you think that cycle will continue somehow - either ending in self-destruction or in harming others.

When a cop gets to that level, it's b/c s/he has seen too much. Psychological supports should be ongoing for people in high-stress occupations. If this cop dealt mainly with AA males who were dangerous, for example, that's what will shape his brain. not saying it's right - just saying, folks - Get to to the root.

This is nonsense. You have taken a situation in which an unarmed, prone, man was shot by a police officer and turned it into....what? A indictment of Black culture? How do you know this cop has dealt "mainly with AA males who were dangerous?" Or are you just assuming that, because, you know, all Black men are violent monsters in your mind.

You should be ashamed of yourself to put your assumptions on display like this.

I always find it kind of funny when people tip their hand verbally, but it's better when it happens in person, and you can watch the lightbulb go on, and they casually observe your face to see if you noticed what they said and does it bother you and then they try to backtrack... Granted I'm a middle class white lady so it doesn't affect me, but I so enjoy when people just lay their issues out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

+1. My sister is a cop, I worry about her every day and am generally very supportive of the police. But this incident makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

But police are supposed to do good things and act appropriately. It shouldn't be newsworthy.

All citizens are supposed to do good things and act appropriately, not just the police.

Please remain on topic, I'm sure it's hard for god fearing bigots like you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

+1. My sister is a cop, I worry about her every day and am generally very supportive of the police. But this incident makes no sense to me.

If you love your sister . Tell her to find another job

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the black man is laying on the ground with his arms clearly in the air with nothing in them, the white guy has something in his hands, and the police shoot the black man. SMH.

+1 That's exactly what I just said to my DH! This is why people are pissed. I have cops in my family. I know they put their lives on the line. But stupid, racist cops like this pisses me off, and gives all cops a bad name.

+2 What I can't understand is why police officers and their leadership don't drum guys like this out of the force. If you were in a profession that you thought was misunderstood, wouldn't you want the bad apples out?

[Anonymous]

Thank you PP you finally got to the real issue

Unions have too much power

It's the same question I have for teachers too why don't you want evaluation which would get rid of the bad teachers

[Anonymous]

Dumb question, how come there are few videos of crazy black or hispanic officers killing folks? Is it just white officers who are nervous?

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that doesn't fit the narrative that BLM is pushing

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Anonymous wrote:that doesn't fit the narrative that BLM is pushing

Fuck you. Seriously, fuck off.

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb question, how come there are few videos of crazy black or hispanic officers killing folks? Is it just white officers who are nervous?

There are some, and there are definitely videos that show Black/Hispanic cops standing around looking bored while a white cop brutalizes a Black man. But the truth is probably that white cops are more fearful of Black men, so they move from "cautious" to "deadly" more quickly. This video shows us, though, that there is literally nothing a Black man can do to avoid being shot if a police office is feeling shooty. No tone he can take, nothing he can do with his body, no level of respectability he can attain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

I think you're missing the point. Police across the country are shooting and killing unarmed people everyday and justice isn't being done. I guess it won't really hit you, until it happens to someone close to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ahhhh you people are so frustrating. A therapist was trying to help an autistic adult and was shot! Why do we need to bring up the "there are good cops" argument? I know there are good cops, I am friends with one of them. But this THERAPIST was trying to help a man who ran away, but because he was black he was shot. The cop straight up told him he didn't know why he shot him. They then proceeded to put BOTH of them in handcuffs!! This is not ok folks!! I imagine the autistic man will have a hard time not freaking out around cops now. Fantastic.

+1. My sister is a cop, I worry about her every day and am generally very supportive of the police. But this incident makes no sense to me.

My sister is in charge of group homes for autistic adults. This kind of thing scares the shit out of me. Not for her, she's white. But she hires a lot of black people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For every egregious police act, can we also post every single good police act that occurred at that very same moment in time across our fifty states? Just for proportionality? I'm guessing if this is criminal--it's on video, will be investigated, and justice will be done. Will all the good police who were doing good work at the same time get commendations? Doubtful.

I think you're missing the point. Police across the country are shooting and killing unarmed people everyday and justice isn't being done. I guess it won't really hit you, until it happens to someone close to you.

+1 Justice isn't graded on a curve. And police officers represent the government, which is to serve the people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher too. It doesn't give me some high ground on how to discuss. I understand and applaud your outrage over each incident. No police abuse is acceptable. However, i think that the nonstop posting of police violations has made the rate seem far more than it actually is. It is not bad to occasionally put these incidents in perspective as they relate to non incidents in a country as vast as ours. There are bad apple surgeons, bad apple judges, ba apple politicians, bad apple soldiers, and yes bad apple teachers. But working with teachers - you would be indignant if all teachers were painted with the brush of the few awful ones, and i think in this past year our society has come close to accepting treating police as a whole as an abusive class. Which is not supported by the fact of all the good policing that happens every day. When you talk about institutional problems I am listening to your ideas for solutions. Some of your proposals sound like they will help law enforcement be better at reaching its goal -to protect us and civil society.

We are not treating the police as a whole as an abusive class. If you would apply your same logic you would realize that there are only a few bad apples doing that as well. But in your double standard, the public servants who carry guns and have a duty to protect the public receive more deference than an internet poster exercising their first amendment rights.

The fact is that last year 38 unarmed black people were shot and killed by police. That's a lot, certainly enough to describe as a big problem. If you feel that the problem has been overemphasized, maybe it's because you don't think something should be done to prevent this. Maybe you think you have to break a few eggs and in this case the number is 38.

But to me the level of attention should be whatever is necessary until the police demonstrate substantial effort to fix the problem.

+1. OP here weighing in. I don't think the strategy of trying to out-root so-called "bad cops" will work, since they the officers implicated may not be all bad cops. The notion of good cops and bad cops is overly simplistic, IMO, and makes the problem sound more black-or-white than it really is. Also, this call for firing "racist cops" puts many on the defensive who see this as a witch hunt.

Sure, there are a few outright bigots within the ranks, who should be out-rooted. However, I think this is a bigger problem of people acting on their implicit biases when dealing with AAs, particularly low-SES black men. And I'm not just talking about the shootings that have been in the news recently--I'm talking about the more common, harder to measure, everyday indignities that AAs deal with--being more likely to get pulled over, more likely to be treated suspiciously, roughly, or aggressively during stops, etc.

The phrase "we're all a little bit racist," while tongue in cheek, has some truth. Anyone remember the social science research presented during Brown vs. Board that showed that young black children had a preference for white dolls over black dolls? Race-based stereotyping, biases, etc. are something *none* of us--black, white or other--are immune to. Now, when some of us actually have guns, it seems reasonable to think that acting on these implicit biases could lead to unfair--or even lethal--treatment.

It sounds like in this case, if the behavior therapist's account is accurate, the officer knew he made a mistake, as he responded "I don't know" when asked why he shot this guy. I'm not a legal expert, but I don't think this officer should necessarily be fired, if an investigation reveals that he is otherwise a good cop who perhaps made a mistake in the moment in this case.

My wish list for LEOs:
-better pay and higher standards (to encourage a higher yield of solid, high-quality LEO applicants),
-better access to quality, evidence-based mental health care for officers.
-better training on awareness & management of implicit biases
-more funding for and emphasis on community policing

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What the hell. Of course he should be fired, if not charged criminally. He's not a "good" cop if he can't remain calm, even in a non-urgent situation. Maybe once some cops get disciplined for this shit, they will start to take it seriously. As it is they can shoot at will and get zero consequences. This is like an unbelievable horror show that keeps happening over and over again.