What exactly is Chechyna'a beef with the USA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff and others that there is no reason to assume that the Tsaernevs have Chechnyan sympathies.

However, it seems that genuine Chechnyans have a beef against the US because we have not intervened in Syria.

Both things you say are incorrect and borderline ridiculous. The brothers are beyond doubt ethnic Chechens. Learn at least how to spell something before you opine on it.

Chechens have no connection to Syria and U.S. non-intervention in Syria doesn't even register on the total of Chechen discourse. It's like saying they were angry at the U.S. for not airlifting tsunami victims.

Chechens ARE at some level angry at Russia for the devastation both wars have caused. Connecting this to the U.S. is a work of a twisted mind.

My read on this is that these were two angry guys who did not fit well into their new country, were interested in radical Islam where they could have felt they found a home and answers, and acted on whatever they felt is the right thing to do.

But if you listen to/read the comments of the younger brother's high school friends, he was not an angry outsider. He was a regular guy who hung out with his high school friends and partied with them and smoked weed occasionally. Sounded like a very American teenager.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff and others that there is no reason to assume that the Tsaernevs have Chechnyan sympathies.

However, it seems that genuine Chechnyans have a beef against the US because we have not intervened in Syria.

Both things you say are incorrect and borderline ridiculous. The brothers are beyond doubt ethnic Chechens. Learn at least how to spell something before you opine on it.

Chechens have no connection to Syria and U.S. non-intervention in Syria doesn't even register on the total of Chechen discourse. It's like saying they were angry at the U.S. for not airlifting tsunami victims.

Chechens ARE at some level angry at Russia for the devastation both wars have caused. Connecting this to the U.S. is a work of a twisted mind.

My read on this is that these were two angry guys who did not fit well into their new country, were interested in radical Islam where they could have felt they found a home and answers, and acted on whatever they felt is the right thing to do.

But if you listen to/read the comments of the younger brother's high school friends, he was not an angry outsider. He was a regular guy who hung out with his high school friends and partied with them and smoked weed occasionally. Sounded like a very American teenager.

No, it actually sounds a lot like John Walker Lindh and Adam Yahiye Gadahn - BEFORE they became radicalized and vowed to kill Americans for - well, being liberty loving Americans.

Those two American citizens would force us all into Burkahs, burn down our daughter's schools, and throw actid in their faces if they resisted. We are all Malala Yousafzai to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslim extremists don't just come from the giant sandbox.

What information to you have that they are Muslim extremists?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspect-posted-video-al-qaeda-prophecy-youtube

Not "proof" just evidence of an emerging profile of the bombers (draw your own conclusions):

-Apparently someone managed to save a few pics and quotes from the older (dead) bomber's social media pages.

One alleged quote under a pic of him and his girlfriend at the boxing gym: " Tamerlan says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian girlfriend and converted to Islam: "She's beautiful, man!"

Another alleged post shows him without his shirt over the quote along the lines of "Tamerlan says he doesn't usually take his shirt off so girls don't get bad ideas: "I'm very religious." "

Being very religious is a good thing.

They posted that they had no friends. They could easily be misfit youth who happened to be Muslim.

Wrong. You mis-quoted what the suspect actually stated (according to multiple sources) What he actually typed was: "
“I don’t have a single American friend,” Tamerlan says in one of the photo captions. “I don’t understand them.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/report-boston-bombings-suspects-abroad-90323.html#ixzz2QvGdQZYn

The possibility of mere "misfit youth" is not supported by the facts. He never said he did not have friends. He only stated that he did not have any AMERICAN friends. Then he clarified "I do not understand them [Americans]." Those are not the statements of a mere misfit. They are the statements of someone who apparently hates America.

I wonder if the bomber's professed faith bears any connection in this case? What are the chances? Mere coincidence?

No one in the high school describes them as someone who hates America. He said he had no friends here, and you turn it into a statement about hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff and others that there is no reason to assume that the Tsaernevs have Chechnyan sympathies.

However, it seems that genuine Chechnyans have a beef against the US because we have not intervened in Syria.

Both things you say are incorrect and borderline ridiculous. The brothers are beyond doubt ethnic Chechens. Learn at least how to spell something before you opine on it.

Chechens have no connection to Syria and U.S. non-intervention in Syria doesn't even register on the total of Chechen discourse. It's like saying they were angry at the U.S. for not airlifting tsunami victims.

Chechens ARE at some level angry at Russia for the devastation both wars have caused. Connecting this to the U.S. is a work of a twisted mind.

My read on this is that these were two angry guys who did not fit well into their new country, were interested in radical Islam where they could have felt they found a home and answers, and acted on whatever they felt is the right thing to do.

But if you listen to/read the comments of the younger brother's high school friends, he was not an angry outsider. He was a regular guy who hung out with his high school friends and partied with them and smoked weed occasionally. Sounded like a very American teenager.

The 9/11 hijackers went to strip bars, drank, etc. Sound like very American males. And yet.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Jeff and others that there is no reason to assume that the Tsaernevs have Chechnyan sympathies.

However, it seems that genuine Chechnyans have a beef against the US because we have not intervened in Syria.

Both things you say are incorrect and borderline ridiculous. The brothers are beyond doubt ethnic Chechens. Learn at least how to spell something before you opine on it.

Chechens have no connection to Syria and U.S. non-intervention in Syria doesn't even register on the total of Chechen discourse. It's like saying they were angry at the U.S. for not airlifting tsunami victims.

Chechens ARE at some level angry at Russia for the devastation both wars have caused. Connecting this to the U.S. is a work of a twisted mind.

My read on this is that these were two angry guys who did not fit well into their new country, were interested in radical Islam where they could have felt they found a home and answers, and acted on whatever they felt is the right thing to do.

But if you listen to/read the comments of the younger brother's high school friends, he was not an angry outsider. He was a regular guy who hung out with his high school friends and partied with them and smoked weed occasionally. Sounded like a very American teenager.

The 9/11 hijackers went to strip bars, drank, etc. Sound like very American males. And yet.....

So basically no matter how a muslim American acts it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

There was a study that the majority Of Americans are not informed enough to stereotype chechens

http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-majority-of-americans-not-informed-enough-to,32124/

[Anonymous]

They were normal until they converted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They were normal until they converted.

To what, they were born Muslim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were normal until they converted.

To what, they were born Muslim.

Radical Muslim beliefs and Muslim beliefs are quite different. Quite.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslim extremists don't just come from the giant sandbox.

What information to you have that they are Muslim extremists?

from viewing the you tube account videos of the older brother which has videos that lionize Chechen terrorists and condemns Sufi muslims as apostates. Pretty extreme, no?

Oh,and giving up Alcohol because " Allah says so"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslim extremists don't just come from the giant sandbox.

What information to you have that they are Muslim extremists?

from viewing the you tube account videos of the older brother which has videos that lionize Chechen terrorists and condemns Sufi muslims as apostates. Pretty extreme, no?

Oh,and giving up Alcohol because " Allah says so"

That would make people angry and also having to hide your woman behind burka

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslim extremists don't just come from the giant sandbox.

What information to you have that they are Muslim extremists?

from viewing the you tube account videos of the older brother which has videos that lionize Chechen terrorists and condemns Sufi muslims as apostates. Pretty extreme, no?

Oh,and giving up Alcohol because " Allah says so"

Viewing a video is evidence of a belief? I have watched any number of fundamentalist videos because I want to know what fundamentalists have to say. I don't agree with any of it, but I like to get a first-hand understanding of it.

The guy didn't have a beard. Nobody has mentioned his attending a Mosque. Mitt Romney doesn't drink alcohol because his version of Allah says so.

Why are you so eager to make this about Islam?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a study that the majority Of Americans are not informed enough to stereotype chechens

http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-majority-of-americans-not-informed-enough-to,32124/

Well, as a "barely educated" American ( BS degree from public university) here is what I have picked up about Chechnya over the years just from reading the newspaper:

1) It borders the former USSR Republics of Khazakhistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgistan ( excuse my ignorant American spelling)
2) Historically muslim since the time of Timerlain, the Czar used these people as horseman in his infantry d/t their historic and legendary rep for being fierce and determined fighters ( note the name of the older brother)

3) During the break up of USSR, Checnyans , who always resented Soviet hegemony, fought for independance and did this fighting the old fashioned way, lacking a civilian army ( terrorism)

4) This coincided with Bosnian war in which Muslims were being attached by Serbs ( Orthodox Christians historically allied w/ Russia since 13th century)

5) this also dove tailed the SSI/ Saudi/ CIA backed Mujahaddin fighting in Afghanistan against the Soviets

( all of this formed a training camp tr-feca) and funnel for young unemployed muslim youth from Saudi, Yemen, and UK and other places to come to Checnya to train to fight Jihad

6) flash forward a decade or so and naiive little USA is pretty clueless as to who is a former collaborator Checnyan ( who worked for Soviets as the Boston family seems to have done , given their alliance to the current Chenyan leader who is a Russian puppet) and b) who is a bonafide Chechnyan fighter aka " terrorist" Or given the schizoid nature of Soviet society over the last 80 years, can not one be both ?

My guess is we are still at the Kindergarten level in divining this sort of "intelligence" and we naiively grant "refugee status" to the WRONG people who pull the wool over our eyes ALL THE TIME, just like this family seems to have done.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslim extremists don't just come from the giant sandbox.

What information to you have that they are Muslim extremists?

from viewing the you tube account videos of the older brother which has videos that lionize Chechen terrorists and condemns Sufi muslims as apostates. Pretty extreme, no?

Oh,and giving up Alcohol because " Allah says so"

Viewing a video is evidence of a belief? I have watched any number of fundamentalist videos because I want to know what fundamentalists have to say. I don't agree with any of it, but I like to get a first-hand understanding of it.

The guy didn't have a beard. Nobody has mentioned his attending a Mosque. Mitt Romney doesn't drink alcohol because his version of Allah says so.

Why are you so eager to make this about Islam?

Jeff, he himself ref's the comments he got from his fellow mosque attendants on his twitter feed. You need to just google:

Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev and read his twiiter feed ( comments of his brother are posted there as well) and the translated portions of his Russian "facebook account". I have a friend who is fluent in Russian and what he has posted is pretty blatant.

I myself am against type casting people based on facial hair, but do read what he has written, look at his recent travel outside the country, and his own comments in the feature interview he gave as a golden gloves boxer.

[Anonymous]

One, I am NOT making about Islam. I am making it about these two individuals and our failure as a country to properly screen people and use good intelligence in letting them into the country in first place. WAY too many people work the system. My god, have you seen teh aunts rant on camera from Toronto. Its sickening.

If you want to see for yourself, what these two brothers really think about our country, look here:


The brothers themselves ref the comments he got from his fellow mosque attendants on his twitter feed. You need to just google:

Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev and read his twiiter feed ( comments of his brother are posted there as well) and the translated portions of his Russian "facebook account". I have a friend who is fluent in Russian and what he has posted is pretty blatant.

I myself am against type casting people based on facial hair, but do read what he has written, look at his recent travel outside the country, and his own comments in the feature interview he gave as a golden gloves boxer.